Sorry Moore, you'll get no sympathy up here in MI.

[Gaard]

Governor won't show Ten Commandments

Granholm changes her mind, says a display in the Capitol Rotunda would be unconstitutional.

LANSING -- Gov. Jennifer Granholm now says she wouldn't support displaying the Ten Commandments in the Capitol Rotunda, calling such a display unconstitutional.

During a taping Friday of public television's "Off the Record" program, however, Granholm said she didn't have a problem with having the commandments at the Statehouse.

"I know that will make some people mad. But I think they are universal values," she said on the show.

She added that, while the government should not be promoting religion, the Ten Commandments promote "a universal desire for people to behave with dignity and honor God."

"That is not promoting a particular religion. That is just recognizing some universal values," she said.

Granholm now says she was expressing her personal opinion, not encouraging such a display.

"I'm not interested in violating the United States Constitution," she said Monday.

Her earlier comments had dismayed the American Civil Liberties Union but brought an enthusiastic response from the Midland-based American Family Association of Michigan.

AFA-Michigan said in a statement that it would seek Granholm's sponsorship for a temporary display of former Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Ray Moore's Ten Commandments monument at the Capitol and start a nonprofit foundation to raise money for a permanent display of the Ten Commandments there.

Moore was removed from the Alabama court in November 2003 when he refused a federal judge's order to remove the monument from public display in the rotunda of the state judicial building in Montgomery, Ala. He appealed his ouster to the U.S. Supreme Court, but lost.

AFA-Michigan President Gary Glenn said Monday that he was disappointed by Granholm's comments Monday.

"The question of constitutionality is an unresolved question, and in fact the U.S. Supreme Court is scheduled to hear oral arguments on that question in two weeks," he said.

He said the governor apparently capitulated over the weekend to pressure from the ACLU and anti-religious groups.

Granholm spokeswoman Liz Boyd said the governor simply was following the courts' lead.

"The governor is a faithful person and believes strongly in the values embodied by the Ten Commandments. But she also must uphold the law, and courts have ruled the public display of the Ten Commandments is The U.S. Supreme Court in early March will hear arguments on lawsuits involving a Ten Commandments monument on the grounds of the Texas Capitol and framed copies of the Ten Commandments in two Kentucky county courthouses.

ACLU of Michigan spokeswoman Wendy Wagenheim said the group was glad the governor had recognized the constitutional problems with displaying the Ten Commandments in a public building.

"We were pleased that she took that position," Wagenheim said.

"We have a diverse state. ... For the best of every citizen in Michigan, the state can't be promoting religion," Wagenheim said.

Some might say that she flip-flopped. I prefer to think that she just saw the light. 😉

I'll say this for these nuts who insist on injecting religion into our government...they sure are tenacious.

 

[MisterCornell]

Your govornor ran Michigan's already sh|tty economy into the ground.

She should spend less time attacking religious displays and more time trying to stop the job losses.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

No, not "flip-flopped" - more like caved into the ACLU and other anti-Christian groups. Oh well, atleast the whole state can see what a tool they elected.

CsG

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: MisterCornell
Your govornor ran Michigan's already sh|tty economy into the ground.

She should spend less time attacking religious displays and more time trying to stop the job losses.

No, that was Engler.

 

[TheBDB]

Universal values? What horse$hit.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No, not "flip-flopped" - more like caved into the ACLU and other anti-Christian groups. Oh well, atleast the whole state can see what a tool they elected.

CsG

The ten commandments have no business being posts/memorialized in any governemnt building.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No, not "flip-flopped" - more like caved into the ACLU and other anti-Christian groups. Oh well, atleast the whole state can see what a tool they elected.

CsG

It's not anti-Christian to not want the Ten Commandments up in a courthouse.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No, not "flip-flopped" - more like caved into the ACLU and other anti-Christian groups. Oh well, atleast the whole state can see what a tool they elected.

CsG

The ten commandments have no business being posts/memorialized in any governemnt building.

That is your opinion, however that isn't what the Constitution says.

CsG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No, not "flip-flopped" - more like caved into the ACLU and other anti-Christian groups. Oh well, atleast the whole state can see what a tool they elected.

CsG

It's not anti-Christian to not want the Ten Commandments up in a courthouse.

I didn't say that. What I said was that the groups she caved to are.

CsG

 

[RabidMongoose]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No, not "flip-flopped" - more like caved into the ACLU and other anti-Christian groups. Oh well, atleast the whole state can see what a tool they elected.

CsG

It's not anti-Christian to not want the Ten Commandments up in a courthouse.

I didn't say that. What I said was that the groups she caved to are.

CsG

Well thankfully she caved into them in regards to this one issue and will hopefully stand up against them in other issues if they are truly only anti-Christian in nature.

 

[irwincur]

Your govornor ran Michigan's already sh|tty economy into the ground.

Amen to that...



Need I also mention that the Canukistan import is also a criminal - along with her husband. Just a matter of time before the airport deals catch up with them. At least the FBI is on the trail and has been for some time now.

My prediciton. She loses, then cuts and runs to beg the Grand Canuck for forgiveness before she and her husband are locked away.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No, not "flip-flopped" - more like caved into the ACLU and other anti-Christian groups. Oh well, atleast the whole state can see what a tool they elected.

CsG

The ten commandments have no business being posts/memorialized in any governemnt building.

That is your opinion, however that isn't what the Constitution says.

CsG

And that's your opinion -- and you're not even close to being a constitutional scholar. The ten commandments have no more business on a government building than does a Christian cross.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I didn't say that. What I said was that the groups she caved to are.

CsG

The ACLU is not anti-Christian, they simply believe in separation of church and state. I know how much you like to frame the debate that way though. Kinda like anyone who disagrees with administration policy/decisions to go to war are anti-American. Same flawed logic, same stupid premise. Grow up.

 

[DefRef]

When people SAY they want separation of Church and State, what they MEAN is: We are the Lords, thy Gods, and you shall not place any Invisible Man in the Sky ahead of our primacy to rule over ye."

Translation: Liberals believe themselves to be Gods and anything that contradicts this - like, say...the Ten Commandments - will not be tolerated for it may make people ask, "Who made you boss?"

As for Granholm, she'll be backstabbing Detroit's gangsta mayor Kwame Kilpatrick in this year's election and he'll get the payback in '06 on her.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: DefRef
When people SAY they want separation of Church and State, what they MEAN is: We are the Lords, thy Gods, and you shall not place any Invisible Man in the Sky ahead of our primacy to rule over ye."

Translation: Liberals believe themselves to be Gods and anything that contradicts this - like, say...the Ten Commandments - will not be tolerated for it may make people ask, "Who made you boss?"

Wow, some excellent grandstanding there DR. But NO, that's not what they mean. That's merely your narrow interpretation of it. Here ya go, you deserve it:

 

[her209]

I thought it was the job of the Michigan Supreme Court to decide, not the governor.

 

[StageLeft]

Nice that the article got his name wrong; it's Roy. He's a prick anyway.

 

[kage69]

She should spend less time attacking religious displays and more time trying to stop the job losses

Perhaps you could point out this 'attack on religious displays,' - I must have missed it...

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: Vadatajs

Originally posted by: MisterCornell
Your govornor ran Michigan's already sh|tty economy into the ground.

She should spend less time attacking religious displays and more time trying to stop the job losses.

No, that was Engler.

True dat. He ran Michigan into a hole that Granholm is trying to dig us out of. It will take years.

 

[conjur]

Shouldn't they be focusing on displaying the Beatitudes? I mean, isn't that what Jesus preached?

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: irwincurNeed I also mention that the Canukistan import is also a criminal - along with her husband. Just a matter of time before the airport deals catch up with them. At least the FBI is on the trail and has been for some time now.

My prediciton. She loses, then cuts and runs to beg the Grand Canuck for forgiveness before she and her husband are locked away.

Are you talking about the parking lot deals at Metro airport a few years back? Pft. She'll get indicted when Bush gets indicted, never...

LOL. My prediction, they repeal the need to be a born US citizen so Arnold can run for president and Granholm ends up beating him in 2012. She has the charisma of Bill Clinton and is not bad on looks either, something Hillary does not have going for her.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No, not "flip-flopped" - more like caved into the ACLU and other anti-Christian groups. Oh well, atleast the whole state can see what a tool they elected.

CsG

The ten commandments have no business being posts/memorialized in any governemnt building.

That is your opinion, however that isn't what the Constitution says.

CsG

is that why the constitution has no mention of god?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: DefRef
When people SAY they want separation of Church and State, what they MEAN is: We are the Lords, thy Gods, and you shall not place any Invisible Man in the Sky ahead of our primacy to rule over ye."

Translation: Liberals believe themselves to be Gods and anything that contradicts this - like, say...the Ten Commandments - will not be tolerated for it may make people ask, "Who made you boss?"

😕 wtf???

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
No, not "flip-flopped" - more like caved into the ACLU and other anti-Christian groups. Oh well, atleast the whole state can see what a tool they elected.

CsG

The ten commandments have no business being posts/memorialized in any governemnt building.

That is your opinion, however that isn't what the Constitution says.

CsG

And that's your opinion -- and you're not even close to being a constitutional scholar. The ten commandments have no more business on a government building than does a Christian cross.

And the Constitution does not say the state must be free from Religion.

CsG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
I didn't say that. What I said was that the groups she caved to are.

CsG

The ACLU is not anti-Christian, they simply believe in separation of church and state. I know how much you like to frame the debate that way though. Kinda like anyone who disagrees with administration policy/decisions to go to war are anti-American. Same flawed logic, same stupid premise. Grow up.

:roll: Same tired BS about seperation of Church and State. The Constitution doesn't say freedom from religion. As far as the ACLU- I have not seen any evidence to the contrary and plenty of evidence that they are anti-Christian. That is my opinion and you can have yours...but ofcourse you're right and I'm wrong:roll: ...and you say I should "Grow up" :roll:

CsG