Sorry, but Snowpiercer seems to me to just be an extraordinarily stupid plot setup

[pmv]

I'm even sympathetic to the motives, to the message they seem to be including, to cutting slack for the art, all kinds of things that try to give them a break.

But it's just extraordinarily poor IMO. And this is from someone who accepts the premise of that recent movie about a prison with a food elevator, I think named The Platform. The Snowpiercer movie was bad enough. But now they're making a frickin series ALSO. There's something wrong with the studios and the viewers who reward this. They're giving a bad name to political art. The movie was so damned empty, vapid, clumsy.

I know nothing about it. This is the first I've heard of it. All I can think is that the name does not inspire interest - how hard is it to pierce snow? It's not a very tough material.

All I know of 'the Platform' is from seeing a trailer. It struck me that it was meant to be some sort of metaphor.

 

[Craig234]

All I know of 'the Platform' is from seeing a trailer. It struck me that it was meant to be some sort of metaphor.

They're pretty similar movies on that, in that they both try to be sort of social class metaphors, yet treat their metaphor seriously enough to have 'real people' and their stories and take them at face value. This is not Fellini. We could add 'The Cube' to the discussion which has the surrealistic premise and characters and stories, but isn't so much a metaphor IMO.

 

[pmv]

Just saw 'The Legend of Tarzan'. Much better than I expected it would be, given the archaic source-material. Kind of Tarantino-esque, I thought, reminded me of Inglorious Basterds as a kind of rewritten-history revenge fantasy. Interesting change to have European colonialists in the villain role usually taken by the Nazis. Even down to having Christopher Waltz playing almost the same guy as in Tarantino's movie. Only way they could have dropped the anvil any more obviously is if it had ended with Samuel L Jackson machine-gunning King Leopold to death.
We need more variety in movie villains - they can't all be Nazis or Zombies. It's not as if history has a shortage of candidates.

 

[sdifox]

this is a better take on the theme

Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[zinfamous]

GTFO. It was schlock closer to sharknado than Blade Runner. Not saying you can't enjoy a bad movie, but don't pretend it was anything profound.

yeah, there is absolutely nothing brilliant about it. Yeah, it's the same allegory done over and over again in various skins, but whatever. so what. It was OK but one of those things you quickly forget. It wasn't the brilliant unheralded piece of cinema that the poseurs touted it to be when it first released.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

It was shit. It was shit the same way that Signs was shit, in that the base premise was absurd and beyond possible suspension of disbelief. The entire movie was an art piece by some useless shithead that doesn't know how to make art, movies, or stories.

 

[snoopy7548]

What is a "Snowpiercer"?

 

[sdifox]

What is a "Snowpiercer"?

Snowpiercer - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[JEDI]

What is a "Snowpiercer"?

it's the dystopic sequel to the original Willy Wonka

 

[feralkid]

Der.

 

[pmv]

Snowpiercer - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Have to agree that that storyline/set-up sounds kind of silly.

 

[ultimatebob]

Have to agree that that storyline/set-up sounds kind of silly.

Any movie that depends on a giant railroad track that goes around the world somehow surviving for decades with zero maintenance has some credibility issues.

I mean, seriously... we're supposed believe that no bridge or tunnel collapses are going to happen?

 

[BudAshes]

Shorty goes on ignore.

Read your own posts, and you are on ignore also.

Add me to the list please. If you put the entire forum on ignore you can just remain in your blissfully ignorant bubble.

 

[snoopy7548]

Speaking of ignoring people, is there a way to see who has ignored you?

 

[Captante]

What is a "Snowpiercer"?

Also this:

Speaking of ignoring people, is there a way to see who has ignored you?

Going to ignore them right back?

 

[zinfamous]

Speaking of ignoring people, is there a way to see who has ignored you?

not that I know of.

I know that I have several by now, ...basically because they are very proud to announce it--every single time. It's weird, it kinda tracks with the psychosis of the type of person that wants to ignore all of the critical things said in response to them...the pride they have in letting every one know that they shall not be criticized.

you know, like The Trump. same fucking type of person.

anyway, yes, I have several here who have blocked me (I never block anyone). Sometimes I remember who they are.

Not sure if it still holds true with normal updates, but used to be that the ignore function doesn't work if the ignored posts are quoted by a non-ignored member. ...this used to be a tactic to sort of act as an AT forums blockade runner for information against the iron-headed fools that refused to think. ...not sure if that's common habit anymore, though. haha.

 

[DigDog]

Snowpiercer was a comic book

that then became a film;
that then became a TV series.

Obviously, a credible plot is outside of the scope of a comic, the focus is on the art.

Tbh i have not bothered with the tv show; i thought the film was mmok-ish, tild swinton was good, but the asian guy was badly out of place (i think he's the director?), film gud until halfway and then falls apart.

it was a decent effort though. But i dont want to see the same thing with half the budget and twice the runtime, no thank you.

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

Obviously, a credible plot is outside of the scope of a comic, the focus is on the art.

I beg to differ. Most comics made at any point recently (as in, since the garbage superman comics of the 30's or whatever) have a strong focus on plot, and generally the intent is to just suspend disbelief about one or two things (such as, superheroes exist: here's what they do). Showpiercer demands that you accept that trains exist in this universe as all trains exist, just that this one's magical, and rides on a magical track that never needs maintenance. Not even bringing up all the social garbage in it. It wasn't even a futuristic train, it was just a normal fucking train with a cylon face. Hell, the Polar Express was better thought-out, at least that fucking train had Santa's magic associated with it, and it stopped in a town full of goddamn tinkering elves every year.

 

[skyking]

I appreciate these threads and my brain says thanks I will avoid the movie, But some part of me wants to watch this train wreck

 

[Midwayman]

I couldn't get over how astoundingly dumb the premise was, and I'm someone who usually goes with it on dumb sci-fi.

 

[ponyo]

I appreciate these threads and my brain says thanks I will avoid the movie, But some part of me wants to watch this train wreck

Give it a shot. It's better than 99% of the crap out there. I enjoyed it.

 

[DigDog]

I beg to differ. Most comics made at any point recently (as in, since the garbage superman comics of the 30's or whatever) have a strong focus on plot, and generally the intent is to just suspend disbelief about one or two things (such as, superheroes exist: here's what they do). Showpiercer demands that you accept that trains exist in this universe as all trains exist, just that this one's magical, and rides on a magical track that never needs maintenance. Not even bringing up all the social garbage in it. It wasn't even a futuristic train, it was just a normal fucking train with a cylon face. Hell, the Polar Express was better thought-out, at least that fucking train had Santa's magic associated with it, and it stopped in a town full of goddamn tinkering elves every year.

how else would you set up a story on a train that never stops?

 

[[DHT]Osiris]

how else would you set up a story on a train that never stops?

You wouldn't. It's an idiotic premise.

The closest I'd be willing to accept would be Blaine the Train from The Dark Tower series.

Spoiler: Spoilers

An AI controlling both the train, and a city's manufacturing and maintenance systems that's able to actually perform maintenance on the train itself and to an extent the track system, albeit poorly. Parts of the track are failing, and Blaine itself didn't actually know whether it was capable of traversing the track after decades of not running down said track piece. After centuries (millennia?) of being left to his own devices, he was also quite insane and more than willing to suicide himself and kill all occupants just because. He didn't run nonstop though, he only ran when he felt like it.

 

[skyking]

I have only seen the ads and trailers, but I am reminded of

Die Liga der außergewöhnlichen Gentlemen (2003) ⭐ 5.8 | Action, Adventure, Fantasy

1h 50m | 12

www.imdb.com

 

[snoopy7548]

It's about a train that never stops? That actually sounds pretty interesting.