I will never forgive Apple for Mac OS 9 and below. Windows 9x is more stable by 10 times, and I'm not exaggerating.
Lian Li was one of the first in the Aluminum hype (lower your temp by 10C !!). I guess looking good is personal perference. While they have an awesome build quality and design, I feel they are overpriced for their value.
Talk about overpriced. The Lian-Li is boring looking AND expensive.
GTaudiophile, glad you finally got a chance to play with the new system. 10.2 is shaping up to be pretty nice. 10.1 is functional, but needed a bit of work. 10.2 still needs some polish where it counts, but they've finally added features back in that were there in the prerelease two years ago and in OS 8/9 before that.
Hold up, wait a moment
I understand Quartz features will be off-loaded to the OpenGL GPU now instead of the CPU in 10.2, right?\
Does this mean that the bloated Altivec Apple has been pushing on us for 3 years has lost the ONLY application it had? So now you can have a G3 with Geforce2 MX and the dislpay will redraw as fast as on the dual 1.25?
Why pay the mega premium for G4 then? anyone, anyone? (edit: well, aside from the very few of us that do actual work)
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I understand Quartz features will be off-loaded to the OpenGL GPU now instead of the CPU in 10.2, right?\
Does this mean that the bloated Altivec Apple has been pushing on us for 3 years has lost the ONLY application it had? So now you can have a G3 with Geforce2 MX and the dislpay will redraw as fast as on the dual 1.25?
Why pay the mega premium for G4 then? anyone, anyone? (edit: well, aside from the very few of us that do actual work)
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Yep.
I find a top end PC to be faster in 95% of applications, including PhotoShop.... which actually IS a damn important application to me along with a few other 2D graphics design/editing apps.
I also find them to be inflexible, rigid and seldom very upgradeable through aftermarket hardware.
I find most of the applications available for the Mac to be inferior to similar apps on the PC, though there are a few VERY nice apps for the Mac that are much better then their PC dirivatives.
I find Mac's a bit easier to use, and reasonably user-friendly. I find them rather limited in terms of potential end user customizations and control though.
Aesthetically I find the GUI MUCH better then WinXP's GUI (Though I am one of those thart rather like's XP's GUI), the Apple Cinema Display can compete more then adequately against even the priciest LCD's I've ever seen. Just amazing monitors.
Everything about the Mac just goes together and fits in perfectly, and looks very attractive aesthetically.
Even the most attractively desgined PC's are poor as hell compared to many of Apple's offerings.
I absolutely HATE networking, or ANY network administrative tasks on Mac's. Limited, inflexible, and a pure hassle.
Give me a decently setup PC + Novell Netware ANY DAY!
In my mind Mac's are strictly single user systems.
In short- Ease of use and VERY simple to setup. Everything about a Mac has perfectly designed to be aesthetically attractive while retaining most functionality.
A small handful of apps that are superior to their PC dirivatives.
In any other respect I prefer a PC. Though I will give Apple accolades for having AltiVec. I consider Altivec clearly superior to SSE/SSE2. Though SSE2 does have the benefit of double precision SIMD, which naturally makes it pextremely beneficial in a few areas.
I suspect then that you haven't worked with OS X. I know network admins who have purchased their first Mac simply because of OS X.
Of course, you appear to like Novell which makes your opinion on networking moot.
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I will take Mac OVER PC any time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love its case design,
I love its keyboard.
I love its mouse.
I love its LCD monitor.
I will take it apart and figure out the way to put my Abit mobo in there!
I love its case design,
I love its keyboard.
I love its mouse.
I love its LCD monitor.
I will take it apart and figure out the way to put my Abit mobo in there!
Originally posted by: TimeKeeper
I will take Mac OVER PC any time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love its case design,
I love its keyboard.
I love its mouse.
I love its LCD monitor.
I will take it apart and figure out the way to put my Abit mobo in there!
I saw a website once where someone put a PC into a Mac case. Took him a LOT of effort and screwing around.
MACs kicking ass: hahahahaha
at least he put an apology in his title for such an asinine thought...
at least he put an apology in his title for such an asinine thought...
ROFLPIPBMFOTGLOL = Rolls On Floor Laughing Pissing In Pants Mashing Fists On The Ground Laughing Out Loud
I was just trying to make fun of people who use those stupid long acronyms...
I was just trying to make fun of people who use those stupid long acronyms...
You know what that store display costs? $12,146.00
Oh wait...
Apple is running a sale until the 30th of September. Make that $11,146.00
For that price I can build a 10 node beowulf cluster using 2ghz P4s with 2 gig of rambuss in each.
I like Macs. I even own one. A 300mhz Powerbook with a 1meg L2 chach and 512meg of Ram.
Those specs would make for a very fast 2000/XP machine.
Under OSX.1 it was so slow that I gave up and put linux on it.
I'd like to buy a new iMac. To use for websurfing, e-mail and all that digital hub stuff that Macs are so good at.
But it's not a serious computer. And that Xserve is a sad joke. For the price of one I could build TWO P4 RAID servers running Redhat 7.3 and not only have money left over but totally blow away the Xserve in performance.
And please... Don't quote photoshop filters to refute that statement. Nobody buys a server to run photoshop.
Maybe to be in a renderfarm but...
it always becomes a flame war...
damn right OS X is pretty...and so are the machines it runs on...
damn right OS X is pretty...and so are the machines it runs on...
There are most certantly GUI latency/performance issues that Apple needs to address...OSX2 is a big step in the right direction. Future updates to the XFree sub-system, etc. will further improve things in this area.
People who complain about functionality (networking, system management) of OSX with respect to Windows/Novell just aren't really familiar with OSX. THe GUI tools are provided for the average user....all the advanced stuff is underneath.
And actually, there are a number of configuration mods for OSX which will really speed up the GUI responsiveness, both in OSX 1.5 and 2.0.
But I agree wholeheartedly that Mac desktops are a little too expensive for what yout get...of course, my cousin [and good friend] works for Apple, so I get 25-35%...which makes them a little more reasonable.
People who complain about functionality (networking, system management) of OSX with respect to Windows/Novell just aren't really familiar with OSX. THe GUI tools are provided for the average user....all the advanced stuff is underneath.
And actually, there are a number of configuration mods for OSX which will really speed up the GUI responsiveness, both in OSX 1.5 and 2.0.
But I agree wholeheartedly that Mac desktops are a little too expensive for what yout get...of course, my cousin [and good friend] works for Apple, so I get 25-35%...which makes them a little more reasonable.
Simple:
If a mac and pc cost the same, I would have a hard time deciding, but they don't, so neither do I.
If a mac and pc cost the same, I would have a hard time deciding, but they don't, so neither do I.
It was on my sons imac G4 (800MHz) OSX 10.1. Slow like a mother! My wife, son and eventually I started to hate it, and sold it on ebay. The only thing I can say that was a plus was the stability and the space it took up on our desk. Other then that It doesn't hold a candle to a PC in terms of speed. Like one person on the MacWorld forum said, ?when will Mac dumb Motorola for AMD or Intel?, or ?do you think Motorola is holding Mac back??Originally posted by: Czar
I bet that browsing the internet is as slow as ever with the macs
If OSX came to the PC platform, I would be first in line to buy it. It would be fast as hell on my current system.
I thought the new 2*1.25GHz Macs weren't gonna ship til 6-8 weeks. Anywhooo who wants to spend $3-4000 on a computer that has mediocre performance (yet looks cool)?
The Sauce
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Yah i saw the same setup in a CompUSA with the 22" screen playing the Harry Potter DVD. IT was hilarious because the display was visibly choppy. I don't think I've had DVDs break up on any of my PC's since my Celeron 500. The salesman tried to pitch it to me as faster than a PC with its dual-procs...yeah right. A single AXP 1200 with software decoding will play back DVD better than that thing did...and for 1/3 the price. What a laugh.
I do like the new Switch-Ad girl though
I do like the new Switch-Ad girl though
One thing to be said for the Mac (beyond it's obvious superior design), is that it can be booted from an external FireWire drive.
I am quite satisfied with W2K (tho W98 was the biggest piece of cowpie ever to curse a computer), but I recently bought an external LaCie FireWire Studio Drive to serve as the perfect bootable backup device. Fool! Fool! Fool! Windows, unlike the Mac, is not bootable from FireWire. Msft has hinted that this is theoretically possible but it must be enabled in BIOS and (Catch 22) none of the Windows family mobo manufacturers include this option in BIOS.
But why don't any of the Windows hardware manufacturers realize that LOOKS MATTER - you would think that at least the marketing people would pull their heads out of their anuses and notice that everyone lusts after stylish gear.
I am quite satisfied with W2K (tho W98 was the biggest piece of cowpie ever to curse a computer), but I recently bought an external LaCie FireWire Studio Drive to serve as the perfect bootable backup device. Fool! Fool! Fool! Windows, unlike the Mac, is not bootable from FireWire. Msft has hinted that this is theoretically possible but it must be enabled in BIOS and (Catch 22) none of the Windows family mobo manufacturers include this option in BIOS.
But why don't any of the Windows hardware manufacturers realize that LOOKS MATTER - you would think that at least the marketing people would pull their heads out of their anuses and notice that everyone lusts after stylish gear.
Wow, you like all the shiny buttons and big screens? Well golly! What does a dual-1.25GHz G4 with dual-Cinema displays go for? And exactly how much does Apple charge for upgrading their $50 GF4MX cards to $100 Radeon 9000s? $7000? $8000 for everything? :disgust:
Does it run MS Office 2000, IE 6, Star Trek: Armada 2, Starfleet Command: Orion Pirates, and NHL 2002? Office and IE, prolly, but those games, certainly not. I'll stick with windows.
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Microsoft has different versions of their software for Mac. Macs don't run Office 2000 (well, not without Virtual PC anyway). They don't run IE 6. Instead Macs run Office v.X (which is the coolest looking version of Office in existence). Check out their Flash demo on the page. and IE 5.2.1, which is also nice, but fairly different from the Windows version for whatever reason. As for games, anybody will tell you that Macs do NOT do well with gaming, but many common games do exist for Mac.
By the way, you can always use a PC and a Mac simultaneously. Here I'm running Connectix Virtual PC and Microsoft Remote Desktop on the same OS X.1 iBook (only a G3 by the way). I fine it ironic too, since this is a Mac, running on Unix. The iBook has 640 RAM, with 256 allocated to Windows 2000, and is connected (wirelessly) to my Windows XP box. I can also mount Windows drives over the network directly into OS X.
OS X.1 is pretty good, but X.2 is that much better. The OS is smoother (especially the Finder), more ergonomic, and it has some pretty good features, like an improved Sherlock. (On the left I'm working with DVD files too.) I'd have to admit though I'd probably not get a dual 1.25. Too expensive for my purposes. These things are really aimed at certain niche markets (including Unix types and 2D graphics/video types). I'd prefer to have an 800 MHz 17" iMac with Pioneer SuperDrive and OS X.2 instead for much less money. I wouldn't care too much about the worse video card, since I wouldn't use a Mac for gaming anyway.
It also feels faster on my iBook despite being a G3, and having too old a video card to use Quartz Extreme.
Hmmm... strange. My iBook 600 G3 doesn't have this problem. Any recent G4 certainly shouldn't have this problem.
With X.1, I finally forgave them. OS 9 totally sucked.
I don't mind Lian Li, and would consider one for my PC, but I agree, they don't compare at all to Mac design. I'd just consider a Lian-Li because my home-built beige PC is ugly as snot. The only problem is my Samsung monitor is still beige, as are my external CD-RW, DVD burner.
Another cool thing is you can mount a hard drive of another Firewire computer in yours simply by holding down a button on the other computer.
ie. I go to friends house and plug in my iBook into his G4. Then I reboot, holding down the "T" key (or is that Apple-T, can't remember). Instead of my Apple rebooting, the drive just gets mounted on his computer.
I beg to differ. In many ways, OS 9 and below were actually superior to OS X. Some of the things, like spring-loaded folders are finding their way back in, but other things, like the ability to just copy the system folder to another drive and have a bootable copy of the system was amazing. The ease of use of OS X still has a long way to go to catch up with that of OS 9 or even, IMO, WinXP.
For instance, I was trying to set up the FTP server that is built in to OS X so that clients could drop off stuff. I wanted to have anonymous logins that were restricted to a single folder, but while OS X would let me turn FTP on and off, there was no interface to do ANY configurations. In order to set up anonymous access to a folder, I had to use the command line. To my net admin friends that's the coolest thing in the world. To me, I just want ease-of-use.
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