SOPA Blackout at Anandtech?

[MotionMan]

Its no more "regulating the internet" as the DMCA "regulates" the internet.

Fine. What word would you use instead of "regulate"? Control? Administer?

MotionMan

 

[paperfist]

I want to see some Portuguese!

 

[Jeff7]

Fortunately, I had a book to read.

Ewwww, paper. I mean sure, it's got electrons in it, but they're all bound to their own atoms. Darn crazy non-semiconductive materials.

Threads like this - http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=290647&page=62

would bring the forums to its knees with this new forum of "regulation".

I say leave the net as it is, just get rid of porn. :biggrin:

"I say leave the net as it is, just get rid of the net."

 

[Oyeve]

Threads like this - http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=290647&page=62

would bring the forums to its knees with this new forum of "regulation".
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And that would be a good thing. Most of those bands SUCK! :biggrin:

 

[ElFenix]

Threads like this - http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=290647&page=62

would bring the forums to its knees with this new forum of "regulation".

I say leave the net as it is, just get rid of porn. :biggrin:

how would it be as it is with 97% of it gone?

 

[Rubycon]

how would it be as it is with 97% of it gone?

Clean and fast.

Think of it like comparing sex to basketball - one on one and with as little dribbling as possible.

 

[Perknose]

Why should I care what someone with a technical background has to say about public policy? This has nothing to do with the base technology.

Those who most thoroughly understand the base techonology are saying that this poorly written and poorly conceived bill WILL HAVE SEVERELY ADVERSE effects on the technology and those who have built and will further build it, not to mention the freedoms of the general populace.

Either educate yourself on the particulars or remain encased in your complacent ignorance of what the ugly and not thought out ramifications this bill will cause, it's your choice.

Read the concerns they list in their letter, and respond to their specifics with your specific rebuttals.

 

[dmcowen674]

This legislation must pass.

It is the only way the people will realize full Revolution is the only answer.

 

[Perknose]

Clean and fast.

Think of it like comparing sex to basketball - one on one and with as little dribbling as possible.

:biggrin:

Ahhh, sex and basketball are one and the same! Now I finally understand what they mean by a "zone defense" and "taking it to the hole."

But tell me, what exactly constitutes a "three point play?"

 

[videogames101]

Why should I care what someone with a technical background has to say about public policy? This has nothing to do with the base technology.

You are the problem. That statement completely and totally encompasses everything that is wrong with the way laws that concern technology are passed. I beg you to reevaluate your opinions on this issue, because if the government continues to follow the idea you just laid out we're going to destroy our future.

Your statement is fundamentally backwards and flawed.

I quite literally feel the need to scream at you, but these forums don't support voice messages. ><

 

[videogames101]

Its no more "regulating the internet" as the DMCA "regulates" the internet.

Yes and the DMCA has almost universally recognized flaws.

 

[Grooveriding]

Bring me up to speed on SOPA, I'm a Canadian, but have been watching how it turns out for you all down below with interest. My understanding is your government is going to enforce filters in/out of the internet where your ISPs connect to the internet backend to block you from certain addresses.

Not really a concern for me here. I know there is the international 'bill' being bandied about between US, Canada and the EU to do somewhat of the same thing, but it's looking to be a lame duck and it's just not going to fly in Europe. They don't let their government walk over them, they riot.

Anyways per this map, it appears Canada has backend links coming through the ocean direct to us. So I'd assume we could only be blocked from seeing traffic that is blocked from leaving the US, which in its self seems a non-issue, as any such traffic would have its instigators likely locked up down there.

Do I have the right of it ?


P.S. Feel free to come on up, everything but the weather is fine.

 

[Mark R]

Yes and the DMCA has almost universally recognized flaws.

True. But the DMCA has a number of good features, notably the "safe harbor" provision; and it is these good features that are going under SOPA.

Under DMCA, an ISP (or a website operator) is absolved of responsibility, if they comply with the DMCA. In other words, if they receive a complaint, they take down the content; and if they receive a counter-claim, they can restore it without delay, without any legal consequences to them.

Under SOPA, this "safe harbor" provision is lost.

Problably the most invasive problem with SOPA, is that a complainant can freeze a ISP's (or website operator's) funds, simply by alleging that they are reproducing infringing content (even if a 3rd party user actually posted the allegedly infringing material). Note that there is no requirement for a court (or other legal) order, a complainant simply has to make an allegation, to get someone's finances frozen. Additionally, SOPA provides no compensation for the "alleged infringer" if a complainant makes an erroneous complaint.

Similar concerns over the lack of requirement for "proof" of infringement also underlie concerns about the domain seizure provisions, as well as many other facets.


It's worth noting that, now that concerns over SOPA are growing, and people had had time to digest their significance, that more and more supporters are withdrawing their support. Nintendo, Electronic arts and even Sony, are among those companies who have officially announced that they are withdrawing support for SOPA.

 

[Patranus]

True. But the DMCA has a number of good features, notably the "safe harbor" provision; and it is these good features that are going under SOPA.

Except it isn't.

Go read the bill.

 

[Patranus]

You are the problem. That statement completely and totally encompasses everything that is wrong with the way laws that concern technology are passed. I beg you to reevaluate your opinions on this issue, because if the government continues to follow the idea you just laid out we're going to destroy our future.

Your statement is fundamentally backwards and flawed.

I quite literally feel the need to scream at you, but these forums don't support voice messages. ><

So then you disagree with net neutrality regulations?

 

[SSSnail]

What I have gathered from reading these kind of threads is that pat-r-anus is THE biggest idiotic and trollish corporate shill on this forum. Even bigger than spidey.

 

[videogames101]

So then you disagree with net neutrality regulations?

You're gonna have to explain how you took that away from my post. I think your logic is a bit beyond me.

 

[Patranus]

You're gonna have to explain how you took that away from my post. I think your logic is a bit beyond me.

Your argument is that policy makers should use the judgement of people who understand the technology rather than what is in the (perceived) best interest of the public.

Net neutrality is a disaster to internet providers on the technical side but many of the people who are against SOPA for that reason also support network neutrality legislation.

It was a simple question.

 

[videogames101]

Your argument is that policy makers should use the judgement of people who understand the technology rather than what is in the (perceived) best interest of the public.

Net neutrality is a disaster to internet providers on the technical side but many of the people who are against SOPA for that reason also support network neutrality legislation.

It was a simple question.

Explain that part for me, you can't just make statements like that bro :biggrin:

 

[Patranus]

Explain that part for me, you can't just make statements like that bro :biggrin:

So you really think a protocol like Bittorrent has the same requirements to be effective as say VoIP?

 

[lxskllr]

Explain that part for me, you can't just make statements like that bro :biggrin:

Clearly the internet can't function with the free flow of data. That's why it's such a niche technology, and will never catch on with the public.

 

[BoomerD]

I want to see some Portuguese!

No fala se portugese.

 

[Patranus]

Clearly the internet can't function with the free flow of data. That's why it's such a niche technology, and will never catch on with the public.

The internet doesn't function with "the free flow of data" as all data isn't created equal.

 

[lxskllr]

The internet doesn't function with "the free flow of data" as all data isn't created equal.

I don't know about the DPRK where you live, but around here it's all treated equally. I suggest you petition Kim so you can experience what freedom feels like.

 

[videogames101]

So you really think a protocol like Bittorrent has the same requirements to be effective as say VoIP?

Begging the Question? Good strategy.

I'm done with this thread, have fun, not worth my time man.