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Sony's response to Microsoft's Xbox360 Elite announcement ...
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Lifer
As I said in the thread about the MS announcement, I really like that the PS3 has a user-replaceable hard drive. But this line strikes me as BS: "it moves us closer to adopting universal standards in the area of high definition gaming that will benefit game developers..." How does it benefit game developers? The console provides a layer of abstraction between the game and the outputs. It doesn't matter to the developer what outputs are available and what the user is using.
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Lifer
Like a monster cable is worth $50? :laugh: I don't know what interview you're talking about, but maybe he said that because a Sony HDMI cable costs $50? And we all know that the average consumer is a sucker who will buy what the guy at Best Buy tells him to buy, otherwise Monster wouldn't be so successful.
Not including the required HD cable(s) is something I won't criticize Sony for even though many others have jumped on it. When you have multiple options, it's better to include neither and let the customer decide than to spend the money on both knowing one will be unused by every customer. Saves the company money, saves the customer money.
TheAdvocate
Platinum Member
Sony's right, except for the part about the features being necessary or desirable to everyone.
360 owner here. I have no desire to have my console play Blu Ray or HD DVD movies. And games look great @ 1080i on my 1080p set. The only reason I'd care about an HDMI cable is less wire clutter.
The PS3 is too much of a system, and is missing a Live feature, and the 360 needs a bigger HD. They both need more quality software titles.
360 owner here. I have no desire to have my console play Blu Ray or HD DVD movies. And games look great @ 1080i on my 1080p set. The only reason I'd care about an HDMI cable is less wire clutter.
The PS3 is too much of a system, and is missing a Live feature, and the 360 needs a bigger HD. They both need more quality software titles.
Ronin
Diamond Member
So, let's see...from a hardware standpoint
Sony vs. MS
BluRay Drive provided vs. HD-DVD not (soon to change, obviously)
No HDMI Cable vs. One provided
Standard Power Cable vs. Massive power brick
WiFi integrated vs. WiFi not
That looks like a 3-1 to me, in favor of Sony, just from the hardware side (I'm sure I'm missing things, so feel free to add if you'd like to unbalance the W/L). 🙂
MS is sucking hind tit right now (although it's been a brilliant marketing strategy for them) because had they provided everything that Sony did with the PS3, the Premium would have actually been priced higher than the PS3. Now they have this new system that has what should have been there to begin with, and all the people that want the extra crap that bought a 360 will buy another...cha-ching x2. GG, MS. 😉
Sony vs. MS
BluRay Drive provided vs. HD-DVD not (soon to change, obviously)
No HDMI Cable vs. One provided
Standard Power Cable vs. Massive power brick
WiFi integrated vs. WiFi not
That looks like a 3-1 to me, in favor of Sony, just from the hardware side (I'm sure I'm missing things, so feel free to add if you'd like to unbalance the W/L). 🙂
MS is sucking hind tit right now (although it's been a brilliant marketing strategy for them) because had they provided everything that Sony did with the PS3, the Premium would have actually been priced higher than the PS3. Now they have this new system that has what should have been there to begin with, and all the people that want the extra crap that bought a 360 will buy another...cha-ching x2. GG, MS. 😉
Inspector Jihad
Lifer
MS is good at spin...they would not be allowed on the O'Rielly factor
Translation: We think every PS3 owner should have an "elite" experience, because you don't really have a choice in the matter. This is why we include a blu-ray drive, because everyone knows you can't do HD games with a standard DVD Drive - the 360 does fake HD after all. We've been the strongest supporter of high definition as the future - the 360 doesnt count, even though every 360 game is required to be in HD, because we're high definitioner than they are. We support HD so much we don't even include HD cables in the box. Microsoft finally realized something we did long ago - if you build a ridiculously overpriced device that offers little over one costing several hundred dollars less, people WILL buy it, so why not give them what you think they want. Hopefully Microsoft will be so successful selling these "elite" systems to the fanboys that they will continue to sell only overpriced devices as a standard - this benefits us since we don't look so bad in comparison, and it benefits developers and consumers since they are no longer faced with a choice between expensive or less expensive - hopefully we can all agree on a standard of "too damn expensive". Thanks, Microsoft, you rule.
Its a really sorry day when Sony considers microsoft releasing an upgraded version of their hardware a victory. We all know HDMI isnt required for HD, and I fail to see what "universal standard" is being moved towards here, especially one that benefits devs and gamers. A universally higher price standard certainly doesnt. Which is a BS implication anyway - this is a limited edition run, 360 is, and likely always will be cheaper.
BTW - 360 sucks.
I read or heard somewhere and am too lazy to look it up right now that component will allow for 1080i/p but the players don't allow it because of a patent or some such reason which makes HDMI the only way to go for 1080i/p. I am not 100% positive on this or the details. Anyhow some dumb reason like that is why component doesnt give us the higher 1080i/p. However HDMI is great because it is ONE cable and it is not that expensive if you monoprice or ebay it even for LONG cables. It is actually cheaper in the end and cuts down on cable mess.
HDMI/HDCP was going to be required for any HDDVD/BR movie, before the studios backed down, when they realized what a bonehead move it would be.
Component can certainly handle 1080i/p. Its neater to have one cable, and its all digital so it theoretically looks better, but in practice, the only tangible difference is the number of cables. Which are all bundled together, and frankly, means absolutely nothing to me, and is a pretty small deal that a lot of unnecessary hoopla is being made over.
Inspector Jihad
Lifer
how people have a "choice" by giving more money to microsoft for individual products.
NFS4
No Lifer
This is way funnier 😛
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/28/techn...09eb762&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
Inspector Jihad
Lifer
No, to make it seem like its a bad idea to buy everything you need at one...in a console that costs way less and has way more stuff.
I actually already knew that. I guess I discounted that since, from what I've read, there is no discernable difference between 1080i and 1080p. Also, my set doesnt support 1080p. I was looking for a benefit that is tangeable, and knowing the picture I'm viewing is 1080p, even though I cant tell the difference, isnt tangeable. A single cable would be nice though, especially with a cheap monoprice cable.
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Lifer
Well, if I was going to buy an Xbox 360 today, this is what I would buy:
- Xbox 360
- Extra controller
- Games
That's it. I wouldn't buy the Wifi adapter, I have Ethernet running to my living room. I wouldn't buy the HD-DVD drive, because I don't have an HDTV. For me and the many, many gamers like me, the Microsoft way is financially beneficial.
And I can honestly say that if Sony had sold the PS3 without the Blu-Ray drive and without the wireless for $200 less ($300 and $400), I'd own a 20 GB PS3 today. By adding stuff I don't need (mostly the Blu-Ray drive), they've priced it out of the range I'm willing to pay. I'd say that's true for many other gamers. So yeah, I think there are benefits to the Microsoft way. As it is now, it'll be a good long time before I buy a PS3, because I'm not willing to pay $500 for one. (I'm also not willing to pay $400 for an Xbox 360... when I can get the "premium" for $300 and when I'm sure they have the heat problems fixed is when I'll buy)
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Lifer
Perhaps he's talking about being HDCP compliant? Can component in/outputs/cables support that? I assume not, which is the why as far as digital connections (HDMI and DVI to a lesser extent) are "required" for BR/HD-DVD content.
I own a 360, but will probably never own a PS3. Had a PS1, never once wanted a PS2. If Blue-Ray wins the format war, then I might eventually buy a player. On the flip side, I would never buy the HD add-on for the 360. MS has already said it doesn't plan on doing games on HD-DVD, so even if HD-DVD becomes the format of choice I'd rather have a more full-featured stand alone player.
I bought my 360 to play games. Not watch movies. If I had a strong desire for a first-gen hi-def movie player for a format that was still up in the air IN ADDITION TO a gaming console, I would've looked at the PS3. If Sony offered a non-Blue Ray version of the PS3, the decision would've been MUCH more difficult as from a gaming standpoint both are highly-capable gaming machines in their own respects.
If anything, MS *REALLY* missed a chance to hurt Sony on this. Kill the Core, drop the Premium to $300, sell the "Elite" for $400 as-is, or maybe $450 with the wireless add-on (preferrably integrated). Huge opportunity missed IMHO.
Its pretty silly. Both Sony and MS are trying to make their console the "cool" console, and spin the Wii into the kiddie console. Trying to appeal to teenages that hate their parents and convince them that they must hate a console that their parents might actually enjoy. Granted, it certainly seems to work to a large degree, but marketing can do only so much. But you do what you gotta do when your console already has a limited intrinsic appeal. (in comparison to the Wii)
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