Sonys brilliance continues...."Copying" music you own is "Stealing"

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MagicConch

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Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: biggestmuff
I still don't understand how people that post on a technology driven site like Anandtech, still purchase and praise Sony and their products.

I'd venture a guess that none of us praise Sony and the vast majority of remotely tech savy people realize that Sony makes mediocre and grossly overpriced products. In short, Sony is for idiots who don't know any better.

Actually, Sony makes plenty of great products, including only true 120hz LCDs TVs, the best rear projection technology available SXRD, the only reference quality upscaling dvd player/upscaling cd player available under $500 (soon $400) which happens to play blu-ray also, and plenty more. It amazes me how successful viral marketing has become.
 

Spook

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Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
Who is going to bother to pirate a $5 CD or a $7 DVD? It's worth that much just for the packaging and clean, quality reproduction. The media labels/publishers have screwed this up by basing their earnings model on the content, rather than the packaging, when packaging and distribution is their purpose for existence. The artists are the ones who should be paid for the content, not the publishers.

Lower the prices. Give all artists a fairer share of content profits. And stop asking us to subsidize A&R tony's cocaine, hookers, & hair plugs.

:), I like that view
 

jdoggg12

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So if you download an MP3 to your computer, and you "copy" it to the MP3 player, thats stealing?
 

newmachineoverlord

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Originally posted by: jdoggg12
So if you download an MP3 to your computer, and you "copy" it to the MP3 player, thats stealing?

According to Pariser, yes.

In the real world, no. Stealing refers to the taking of goods, in which the owner loses possession and the thief gains possession. As such, it is completely inappropriate and nonsensical to apply the words theft and stealing to intellectual property, and doing so is an inflammatory attempt at deception. It is no more accurate to say that someone stole intellectual property than it is to say that they molested it, desecrated it, confused it, or harassed it. Ironically, if the chrages were merely petty theft (ie physically stealing a cd from a store), the penalty would be far less than the penalties for violating copyright or other intellectual property.

According to the law, when you listen to copyrighted music you are making an illegal copy of it in your brain as a memory. All they have to do is find a way to prove that you remember something copyrighted, and then they can get everyone who heard the copyrighted song for violating copyright law. The obvious solution is that copyright law should specifically allow everyone to make backup copies and copies for personal use.

From Dict.org:

To take, and carry away, feloniously; to take without
right or leave, and with intent to keep wrongfully; as, to
steal the personal goods of another.

1. (Law) The act of stealing; specifically, the felonious
taking and removing of personal property, with an intent
to deprive the rightful owner of the same; larceny.
[1913 Webster]

Note: To constitute theft there must be a taking without the
owner's consent, and it must be unlawful or felonious;
every part of the property stolen must be removed,
however slightly, from its former position; and it must
be, at least momentarily, in the complete possession of
the thief. See Larceny, and the Note under Robbery.
[1913 Webster]
 

JackBurton

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Jul 18, 2000
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Originally posted by: MagicConch
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: biggestmuff
I still don't understand how people that post on a technology driven site like Anandtech, still purchase and praise Sony and their products.

I'd venture a guess that none of us praise Sony and the vast majority of remotely tech savy people realize that Sony makes mediocre and grossly overpriced products. In short, Sony is for idiots who don't know any better.

Actually, Sony makes plenty of great products, including only true 120hz LCDs TVs, the best rear projection technology available SXRD, the only reference quality upscaling dvd player/upscaling cd player available under $500 (soon $400) which happens to play blu-ray also, and plenty more. It amazes me how successful viral marketing has become.
Sony has one of the top LCDs, however the quality is subpar. Sony still hasn't fully fixed their clouding issue on their new XBR4/5 LCDs. And it being one of the most expensive LCDs, Sony really has no excuse. And if you want to open up the entire HDTV category, the new Pioneer plasmas slap around the new Sony LCDs. And get this, they're cheaper.

Sony's SXRD? Seriously, we're in 2007 (almost 2008). What, you want to give Sony credit for having the best soon to be phased out tech? Rear projection, seriously.

As for the Sony Blu-Ray player. Are you talking about the Sony BDP-S300 player? The lowest end Blu-Ray player that is only HDMI 1.1 and does not decode TrueHD tracks? That one? Quite honestly, Sony DOES have the cheapest Blu-Ray player, but I definitely wouldn't say it is the best value. Wow, $500 for a DVD upscaler which is bundled with a crippled Blu-Ray player. Fantastic. What a deal. How about a little more than $500 for a GREAT DVD upscaling player AND a TOP OF THE LINE HD-DVD player (HD-XA2). See, now that sounds better.

Sony sucks ass. The only thing I like from Sony is their laptops (great style), and their digital cameras. That's about it. For A/V equipment, yeah, no.









And fvck carrots.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: MagicConch
the only reference quality upscaling dvd player/upscaling cd player available under $500 (soon $400) which happens to play blu-ray also, and plenty more.

As for the Sony Blu-Ray player. Are you talking about the Sony BDP-S300 player? The lowest end Blu-Ray player that is only HDMI 1.1 and does not decode TrueHD tracks? That one? Quite honestly, Sony DOES have the cheapest Blu-Ray player, but I definitely wouldn't say it is the best value. Wow, $500 for a DVD upscaler which is bundled with a crippled Blu-Ray player. Fantastic. What a deal. How about a little more than $500 for a GREAT DVD upscaling player AND a TOP OF THE LINE HD-DVD player (HD-XA2). See, now that sounds better.

Pretty sure he's talking about the PS3.

Question - doesn't "reference quality" mean it accurately reflects the source image? So does it really make sense to call an upscaling DVD player "reference quality" when its purpose is to modify the source image?
 

JackBurton

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Jul 18, 2000
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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: MagicConch
the only reference quality upscaling dvd player/upscaling cd player available under $500 (soon $400) which happens to play blu-ray also, and plenty more.

As for the Sony Blu-Ray player. Are you talking about the Sony BDP-S300 player? The lowest end Blu-Ray player that is only HDMI 1.1 and does not decode TrueHD tracks? That one? Quite honestly, Sony DOES have the cheapest Blu-Ray player, but I definitely wouldn't say it is the best value. Wow, $500 for a DVD upscaler which is bundled with a crippled Blu-Ray player. Fantastic. What a deal. How about a little more than $500 for a GREAT DVD upscaling player AND a TOP OF THE LINE HD-DVD player (HD-XA2). See, now that sounds better.

Pretty sure he's talking about the PS3.

Question - doesn't "reference quality" mean it accurately reflects the source image? So does it really make sense to call an upscaling DVD player "reference quality" when its purpose is to modify the source image?
Oh, he was talking about the GAMING console that Sony yanked backwards GAMING compatibility from? Even though backwards compatibility is now software based and it wouldn't have cost Sony anything extra to include? That one? Oh yeah, that's a good one.
 

LikeLinus

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Jul 25, 2001
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Originally posted by: MagicConch
Originally posted by: flxnimprtmscl
Originally posted by: biggestmuff
I still don't understand how people that post on a technology driven site like Anandtech, still purchase and praise Sony and their products.

I'd venture a guess that none of us praise Sony and the vast majority of remotely tech savy people realize that Sony makes mediocre and grossly overpriced products. In short, Sony is for idiots who don't know any better.

Actually, Sony makes plenty of great products, including only true 120hz LCDs TVs, the best rear projection technology available SXRD, the only reference quality upscaling dvd player/upscaling cd player available under $500 (soon $400) which happens to play blu-ray also, and plenty more. It amazes me how successful viral marketing has become.

You mean like the (2) DVD players that suffered from the C13 failure almost all exactly one month outside of it's warranty and Sony refused to fix any of them? They were all over $300 dollars at the time. It was a known flaw with the DVD players and Sony screwed thousands of people.

Or you mean like the time my sons PS2 DVD drive went bad. Or how about our XBR2 Tube TV that went out probably 6-8 months outside the warranty?

I guess I can chalk it all up to Viral Marketing too, right?

They make make good "spec" products, BUT their quality has gone down hill big time in the past 10 years.