Sony PSP 2 to use Nvidia'a Tegra 2 chip

[happy medium]

More money in the bank for Nvidia.

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=27385012

This is a huge win for them. Psp 1 sold more then 60 million units.

 

[waffleironhead]

A link to a forum post leading to semiaccurate? Any other "sources" out there?

 

[happy medium]

Well, Charlie is a ATI fanatic, the last thing he would like to do is give Nvidia good press.
You notice the article still bashes Nvidia.
I would hope that he would not flat out lie about the information, he usually just spins it to death in a negative Nvidia ad campaign. 🙂

 

[Lonyo]

Selling lots of units doesn't mean big bucks. If it did, AMD would be absolutely rolling in it since their chips power around 80% of the console market.

Sure, it's great news for Tegra and a nice win for NV, but it's not a make or break sort of thing and it's not a major source of revenue. Nowhere near "huge".

 

[happy medium]

Selling lots of units doesn't mean big bucks. If it did, AMD would be absolutely rolling in it since their chips power around 80% of the console market.

Sure, it's great news for Tegra and a nice win for NV, but it's not a make or break sort of thing and it's not a major source of revenue. Nowhere near "huge".

Care to share where you get that info from? How much is the revenue from the Tegra 2 chip?

You wouldn't want to use false/missleading info to derail a thread like wreckage just got a moderator warning for?

 

[Hauk]

Tegra 2 is quite scrappy..

 

[Dark Shroud]

Care to share where you get that info from? How much is the revenue from the Tegra 2 chip?

You wouldn't want to use false/missleading info to derail a thread like wreckage just got a moderator warning for?

Unless someone can post numbers I'd like to make it simple. ATI powers the Xbox 360 and pretty much all Nintendo systems since the Game Cube. And ATI was still having financial problems.

And yeah this would make sense since Nvidia powers the PS3 and some Sony Laptops lines. I'm not sure whose chip is in the PSP.

 

[happy medium]

Unless someone can post numbers I'd like to make it simple. ATI powers the Xbox 360 and pretty much all Nintendo systems since the Game Cube. And ATI was still having financial problems.

And yeah this would make sense since Nvidia powers the PS3 and some Sony Laptops lines. I'm not sure whose chip is in the PSP.

? This is why Nvidia won't make alot of money in this deal?
You are joking right?

 

[Lonyo]

Care to share where you get that info from? How much is the revenue from the Tegra 2 chip?

You wouldn't want to use false/missleading info to derail a thread like wreckage just got a moderator warning for?

Check past financial statements from ATi and NV where the companies show the breakdowns of revenue by market segment.
In home consoles at least, due to the way the licensing worked, the design was licensed to the console manufacturers and then ATI/NV got a cut from each console sale, as well as (I believe) payments for the use of the IP.

Based on my maths using the 2008 AMD financial report, console revenue was a little over 1/12th the revenue of GPUs (,~$91m to ~$1050m) and that was when 24 million Wiis were shipped, and some amount of Xbox 360's that I do not know because I can't be bothered to look it up.
If you think the PSP sold on average 12m units a year, and in the year the Wii sold 24m and the Xbox sold some, GPU revenue outstripped console revenue for ATI by a very large margin, do you think that Tegra will be that big just from one design win for NV, especially when they have far more profitable areas of business such as Tesla and workstation cards?

I'm not saying it's bad, or that it won't make money, just that it's not going to be "huge" unless the entire world buys a PSP2.

 

[happy medium]

Check past financial statements from ATi and NV where the companies show the breakdowns of revenue by market segment.
In home consoles at least, due to the way the licensing worked, the design was licensed to the console manufacturers and then ATI/NV got a cut from each console sale, as well as (I believe) payments for the use of the IP.

Based on my maths using the 2008 AMD financial report, console revenue was a little over 1/12th the revenue of GPUs (,~$91m to ~$1050m) and that was when 24 million Wiis were shipped, and some amount of Xbox 360's that I do not know because I can't be bothered to look it up.
If you think the PSP sold on average 12m units a year, and in the year the Wii sold 24m and the Xbox sold some, GPU revenue outstripped console revenue for ATI by a very large margin, do you think that Tegra will be that big just from one design win for NV, especially when they have far more profitable areas of business such as Tesla and workstation cards?

I'm not saying it's bad, or that it won't make money, just that it's not going to be "huge" unless the entire world buys a PSP2.

Going by the 60 million psp 1's sold, if company "A" made 5$ for every unit sold,thats 300 million dollars. Thats not bad ha?

You have to know how much a company made per unit sold to have a good conclusion to how "huge" huge is? I see no such information,butnice try. 🙂

 

[Lonyo]

Going by the 60 million psp 1's sold, if company "A" made 5$ for every unit sold,thats 300 million dollars. Thats not bad ha?

You have to know how much a company made per unit sold to have a good conclusion to how "huge" huge is? I see no such information,butnice try. 🙂

OK then, since you seem to think it will be huge, what do you base that on? I mean, huge to me indicates lots of money. $300m over 5 years for a company that makes $3.5b+ per year is not huge. That's possibly 1.7% of total revenue.
So, where's your evidence for it being a huge (possible) win? To me, Tesla is a huge thing. Tegra 2 possibly being used in the PSP2? Not so much.

 

[Dark Shroud]

Going by the 60 million psp 1's sold, if company "A" made 5$ for every unit sold,thats 300 million dollars. Thats not bad ha?

You have to know how much a company made per unit sold to have a good conclusion to how "huge" huge is? I see no such information,butnice try. 🙂

The PSP world wide has sold enough over the 5ish years it's been out but it's not a block buster system. I will probably buy a PSP2 but unless it has a killer game it's only going to sell a few million a year at most.

 

[Aristotelian]

Going by the 60 million psp 1's sold, if company "A" made 5$ for every unit sold,thats 300 million dollars. Thats not bad ha?

You have to know how much a company made per unit sold to have a good conclusion to how "huge" huge is? I see no such information,butnice try. 🙂

60 million PSP units were sold over a 6 year period. If company A made a $5 profit on each PSP sold that would result in a total profit for company A of 300 million dollars over a 6 year period. 300 million divided by a 6 year period is 50 million per year, and is certainly not a 'huge win' in these circles (though more money is good, of course). Also, you did not understand the point in Lonyo's post with respect to console gpu revenues being (even with ATI's prevalence in the console GPU area) a small fraction of the entire revenue. His post was meant to undermine your usage of huge.

You post a lot of news updates in this forum, and I tend to lurk the Video Cards and Graphics sub-forum regularly. However, I think that you really do not fully read the articles that you link - either interpreting the article carelessly (in this case) or misreading it (the recent 465 unlocking thread, though you did change it). It's not just these two threads, mind you.

This isn't a 'calling out', but as someone who reads these forums regularly I appreciate your zeal for posting information as it saves me time in scouring the net for information myself. I just think that you should be more careful with the conclusions that you draw.

 

[happy medium]

OK then, since you seem to think it will be huge, what do you base that on? I mean, huge to me indicates lots of money. $300m over 5 years for a company that makes $3.5b+ per year is not huge. That's possibly 1.7% of total revenue.
So, where's your evidence for it being a huge (possible) win? To me, Tesla is a huge thing. Tegra 2 possibly being used in the PSP2? Not so much.

I said huge win, meaning a huge win for the company after losing the DS 3d contract. I never mention huge money win, cause I have no idea. Judging by the way you posted, I thought you did, but I guess I was wrong.

Do you know how much they make off of each unit?

Never mind, you derailed the thread enough,forget it.

 

[happy medium]

60 million PSP units were sold over a 6 year period. If company A made a $5 profit on each PSP sold that would result in a total profit for company A of 300 million dollars over a 6 year period. 300 million divided by a 6 year period is 50 million per year, and is certainly not a 'huge win' in these circles (though more money is good, of course). Also, you did not understand the point in Lonyo's post with respect to console gpu revenues being (even with ATI's prevalence in the console GPU area) a small fraction of the entire revenue. His post was meant to undermine your usage of huge.

You post a lot of news updates in this forum, and I tend to lurk the Video Cards and Graphics sub-forum regularly. However, I think that you really do not fully read the articles that you link - either interpreting the article carelessly (in this case) or misreading it (the recent 465 unlocking thread, though you did change it). It's not just these two threads, mind you.

This isn't a 'calling out', but as someone who reads these forums regularly I appreciate your zeal for posting information as it saves me time in scouring the net for information myself. I just think that you should be more careful with the conclusions that you draw.

Thank you ,and you are right I post this stuff because without it the forums are boring and for other members convienience.

 

[CitanUzuki]

Careful happy, tincart may have to regulate this thread like your last one.

 

[akugami]

I'll only say that prior to the Nintendo 3DS announcement, everyone and their grandmother had a rumor about nVidia's Tegra 2 being in the next Gameboy. I'll just wait for the official announcement rather than read about it on some forum that links to a rumor site.

This is also where we cue screams that Charlie runs a satirical/humor website and that we can't trust any of his information.

 

[MentalIlness]

http://www.vgchartz.com/

What about the 130 million DS units sold ? And also the Wii has sold over 70 million. And over 40 million for the Xbox 360. Which is probably A LOT more than that, knowing all the red ring of death fates.

I do not know what the Gamecube sold in sales numbers, but it was ATi as well.

And they all use ATi graphics. Of course, SONY also uses Nvidia graphics.

Of course it is nice for Nvidia and using Tegra though. It will help their finances, but no where near to what people may think.

 

[happy medium]

http://www.vgchartz.com/

What about the 130 million DS units sold ? And also the Wii has sold over 70 million. And over 40 million for the Xbox 360. Which is probably A LOT more than that, knowing all the red ring of death fates.

I do not know what the Gamecube sold in sales numbers, but it was ATi as well.

And they all use ATi graphics. Of course, SONY also uses Nvidia graphics.

Of course it is nice for Nvidia and using Tegra though. It will help their finances, but no where near to what people may think.

Wow with all that console stuff ATI sells and its only 1/12 of there revenue?
Seems like a waste of time.

 

[bryanW1995]

I said huge win, meaning a huge win for the company after losing the DS 3d contract. I never mention huge money win, cause I have no idea. Judging by the way you posted, I thought you did, but I guess I was wrong.

Do you know how much they make off of each unit?

Never mind, you derailed the thread enough,forget it.

you helped derail the thread by being so defensive. if you didn't want your own thread derailed you would have been well-served to ignroe lonyo's post. instead, you chose to make a thinly veiled threat towards lonyo. That's not exactly the behavior of an innocent bystander.

 

[happy medium]

you helped derail the thread by being so defensive. if you didn't want your own thread derailed you would have been well-served to ignroe lonyo's post. instead, you chose to make a thinly veiled threat towards lonyo. That's not exactly the behavior of an innocent bystander.

Thanks for the advise...now but out. 🙂

Where have you been anyway? Haven't seen you post in a while, till lately.

 

[Keysplayr]

OK then, since you seem to think it will be huge, what do you base that on? I mean, huge to me indicates lots of money. $300m over 5 years for a company that makes $3.5b+ per year is not huge. That's possibly 1.7% of total revenue.
So, where's your evidence for it being a huge (possible) win? To me, Tesla is a huge thing. Tegra 2 possibly being used in the PSP2? Not so much.

Lonyo, that 300 million over 5 years is from one single handheld product. I think you are overlooking that amazing little detail. For a single handheld device, 300 million is absolutely enormous. As we continue to see Tegra make it's way into cell phones, tablets, automotive GPS, and keep going.

@ Happy Medium. Maybe you could back off a little on your Nvidia ad campaign? You've started a lot of threads lately (page 1 has six) and I think it might be just to piss ATI fans off.
I'm sitting here, aging, waiting for your maturity to arrive.

 

[Lonbjerg]

Lonyo, that 300 million over 5 years is from one single handheld product. I think you are overlooking that amazing little detail. For a single handheld device, 300 million is absolutely enormous. As we continue to see Tegra make it's way into cell phones, tablets, automotive GPS, and keep going.

@ Happy Medium. Maybe you could back off a little on your Nvidia ad campaign? You've started a lot of threads lately and I think it might be just to piss ATI fans off.
I'm sitting here, aging, waiting for your maturity to arrive.

They have been pissed off since the GTX460 *shrugs*

 

[Keysplayr]

They have been pissed off since the GTX460 *shrugs*

Some are. Others are quite happy about it. It seems you guys can't stand each other to the extent that all of your arguments are based on that, with the technology as a catalyst for the conversation to happen. Nothing more.

GTX460 is a nice piece of work. It's giving a lot of people from both sides what they respectively wanted. None of that being the same very often.

 

[Wreckage]

http://www.vgchartz.com/

What about the 130 million DS units sold ? And also the Wii has sold over 70 million. And over 40 million for the Xbox 360. Which is probably A LOT more than that, knowing all the red ring of death fates.

I do not know what the Gamecube sold in sales numbers, but it was ATi as well.

And they all use ATi graphics. Of course, SONY also uses Nvidia graphics.

Of course it is nice for Nvidia and using Tegra though. It will help their finances, but no where near to what people may think.

The DS has an ATI chip?