Sony exec says the PS3 will render traditional PCs moot in the home.

[0roo0roo]

even dreamcast had a web browser😛
http://dreamcast.ign.com/objects/490/490126.html

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: destrekor
sure the dell is better as its a true, fully functional computer. But on what grounds are you stating the x360 functions better? The x360 is severely limited in functionality in comparison with the ps3. no high-def optical drive bundled, games run at 720p and not 1080p, and there is no mention of any kind of added internet functionality or even an OS. Now, granted, the OS of the PS3 hasn't received enough attention yet to determine what kind of functionality it will open up, but the idea itself puts it ahead of the x360.
now, the x360 is a wonderful gaming platform, but as far as functionality goes, your argument is out the window; its has no grounds.

The x360 has an OS... what do you think the dashboard is? And I'd say your argument has no basis either since the PS3 isn't even available.

im not claiming to know one thing or another, im not claiming anything i say as fact. im speculating the outcomes of different scenarios, and presented both ideas.
as far as the x360 OS... okay the dashboard does not count. Just like I won't consider the PS3 to have an OS if linux is only the backend to the dashboard.
when I say OS, i mean configurable, expandable, etc etc. Something like regular OS's today. Probably something like the PS2 Linux kit. I never used it so I don't know its capabilities.

Originally posted by: Unheard
Keep spewing it, no one believes it.

im not saying anything that can be believed or not. speculation of outcomes based on different scenarios. learn to read, dumbass.
i didn't make a single damned argument, I merely laid out the facts and created scenarios based on what may or may not happen. re-read my post and you may realize that.

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Let me know when you're playing a true 1080p game as I highly doubt it will be any time soon, certainly not at launch. I'm not talking TVs that upscale either, they could upscale a 360 game to 1080p as well. True 1080p gaming output, i.e. the game can output 720p on up to 1080p, not anytime soon that is for certain.

let me know why it can't happen at launch. Epic already said UT2007 will run at 1080p. Is ther something I am missing that won't allow it to happen. If the programmers of the game can code the game to be effecient enough to run at 1080p, it will happen. And it appears they have it under grasp enough to get most of those games to run at 1080p.

Originally posted by: AMDUALY
Not sure why in the world you would want a console to have all of a computers abilities and functionality. Here's to people bricking their systems trying to install crap, spyware, viruses, etc.... Leave the BS out, it's a game system! If I wanted to browse the web, my rig is 3 feet away and I could hook it up to my tv using a damn dvi cable anyways. Also, 720p, 1080i and 1080p are comparable unless you have 50"> or are sitting 2' away from your tv. Most people don't even have TVs that can accept hdmi or components yet either...

btw, i am not bashing the ps3, just your dreams that the ps3 will be some l33t gaming pc replacement. My bro will probably get one as he already sold his ps2 to save up (long way to go). We will have to see what happens with the ps3 as I wouldn't hold my breath on any of Sony's promises.

my dream isn't for this machine to replace my machine. i like my machine and its abilities quite well. Im merely hoping that it will have capability beyond simply downloading game extras through a game network system. And whether or not an OS desktop looks good on a certain display means nothing to me. My reason to want this machine to handle a few things: streamlining tasks. If I want to know something real quick, why would I walk up to go to my computer and unlock it and load everything up and get to the browser to research something, when I could simply pause a game I am playing, or switch from my cable input on the tv to the PS3, and hop onto the net and get it there. If I am already near it, why move away. I don't plan on installing any games on this system or anything thats not necessary. Firefox would probably be the only thing I add as my computer can handle everything else. Mainly, my reasoning to hope for the added functionality, is for other people. Not everyone has a system speedy enough to handle the tasks they want, and the PS3 may very well be able to handle them. Some people may not even have a PC.

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: Thraxen

Originally posted by: destrekor
sure the dell is better as its a true, fully functional computer. But on what grounds are you stating the x360 functions better? The x360 is severely limited in functionality in comparison with the ps3. no high-def optical drive bundled, games run at 720p and not 1080p, and there is no mention of any kind of added internet functionality or even an OS. Now, granted, the OS of the PS3 hasn't received enough attention yet to determine what kind of functionality it will open up, but the idea itself puts it ahead of the x360.
now, the x360 is a wonderful gaming platform, but as far as functionality goes, your argument is out the window; its has no grounds.

The x360 has an OS... what do you think the dashboard is? And I'd say your argument has no basis either since the PS3 isn't even available.

im not claiming to know one thing or another, im not claiming anything i say as fact. im speculating the outcomes of different scenarios, and presented both ideas.
as far as the x360 OS... okay the dashboard does not count. Just like I won't consider the PS3 to have an OS if linux is only the backend to the dashboard.
when I say OS, i mean configurable, expandable, etc etc. Something like regular OS's today. Probably something like the PS2 Linux kit. I never used it so I don't know its capabilities.

Originally posted by: Unheard
Keep spewing it, no one believes it.

im not saying anything that can be believed or not. speculation of outcomes based on different scenarios. learn to read, dumbass.
i didn't make a single damned argument, I merely laid out the facts and created scenarios based on what may or may not happen. re-read my post and you may realize that.

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Let me know when you're playing a true 1080p game as I highly doubt it will be any time soon, certainly not at launch. I'm not talking TVs that upscale either, they could upscale a 360 game to 1080p as well. True 1080p gaming output, i.e. the game can output 720p on up to 1080p, not anytime soon that is for certain.

let me know why it can't happen at launch. Epic already said UT2007 will run at 1080p. Is ther something I am missing that won't allow it to happen. If the programmers of the game can code the game to be effecient enough to run at 1080p, it will happen. And it appears they have it under grasp enough to get most of those games to run at 1080p.

Originally posted by: AMDUALY
Not sure why in the world you would want a console to have all of a computers abilities and functionality. Here's to people bricking their systems trying to install crap, spyware, viruses, etc.... Leave the BS out, it's a game system! If I wanted to browse the web, my rig is 3 feet away and I could hook it up to my tv using a damn dvi cable anyways. Also, 720p, 1080i and 1080p are comparable unless you have 50"> or are sitting 2' away from your tv. Most people don't even have TVs that can accept hdmi or components yet either...

btw, i am not bashing the ps3, just your dreams that the ps3 will be some l33t gaming pc replacement. My bro will probably get one as he already sold his ps2 to save up (long way to go). We will have to see what happens with the ps3 as I wouldn't hold my breath on any of Sony's promises.

my dream isn't for this machine to replace my machine. i like my machine and its abilities quite well. Im merely hoping that it will have capability beyond simply downloading game extras through a game network system. And whether or not an OS desktop looks good on a certain display means nothing to me. My reason to want this machine to handle a few things: streamlining tasks. If I want to know something real quick, why would I walk up to go to my computer and unlock it and load everything up and get to the browser to research something, when I could simply pause a game I am playing, or switch from my cable input on the tv to the PS3, and hop onto the net and get it there. If I am already near it, why move away. I don't plan on installing any games on this system or anything thats not necessary. Firefox would probably be the only thing I add as my computer can handle everything else. Mainly, my reasoning to hope for the added functionality, is for other people. Not everyone has a system speedy enough to handle the tasks they want, and the PS3 may very well be able to handle them. Some people may not even have a PC.

Like I said it ain't going to happen at launch, but keep believing that. Would love a link to that Epic info as well.

 

[destrekor]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Like I said it ain't going to happen at launch, but keep believing that. Would love a link to that Epic info as well.

im not even gonna bother searchin it... i will say that im not positive about that statement but I do remember reading something about Epic saying something along the lines of the UE3 engine being spectacular looking in 1080p.

 

[0roo0roo]

thats well and good as almost no one has true 1080p displays anyways.

 

[Sentinel]

Should be interesting, I don't think my PC nor hundreds if not thousands of people's around here is going anywhere soon.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Harrison denies Wii influenced PS3 controller, says PCs unnecessary

When Sony revealed the PlayStation 3 controller would be able to sense certain types of motion, skeptics scoffed. That's because Nintendo announced last September that its recently rechristened Wii console would also have motion-sensing controls, leading many to believe that Sony had added the functionality at the last minute as a gimmick. A report in the New York Times didn?t help, as it said that some of Sony's own developers had were not given the PS3 controller's tilt-sensitive controller until just weeks prior to its unveiling at E3 2006 in May.

Sony's Phil Harrison

Now Sony has come out swinging. In this week's edition of German magazine Der Spiegel, Phil Harrison, president of Sony Computer Entertainment's Worldwide Studios, aggressively denied his company appropriated the motion-sensing idea from Nintendo. "In a certain way, I understand why people would say [such things], but it is stupid, if you'll forgive me saying so," said Harrison.

Harrison went on to say that the PS3's motion-sensitive controller had been in the works for some time. "We have already worked on it a long time, and Nintendo almost certainly has done likewise with something similar," he said. "It is perfectly naturally for two companies to work on [nearly] identical devices. It's like that with technology." He reiterated that the PS2's Dual Shock controller is the "de facto-industry standard for video games. ... We define the standard for the man-machine interface for playing games."

Besides defending the PS3, Harrison took time to evangelize the device, which will launch worldwide this November. In particular he said the Linux-based operating system on the console's hard drive will have enough processing power and non-gaming functionalities to render traditional PCs--most of which use a form of Microsoft's Windows OS--moot in the home. "We believe that the PS3 will be the place where our users play games, watch films, browse the Web, and use other [home] computer functions," said Harrison. "The PlayStation 3 is a computer. We do not need the PC."

More crazy talk, what say you?

Phil is one cocky son of a gun.

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: destrekor

Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Like I said it ain't going to happen at launch, but keep believing that. Would love a link to that Epic info as well.

im not even gonna bother searchin it... i will say that im not positive about that statement but I do remember reading something about Epic saying something along the lines of the UE3 engine being spectacular looking in 1080p.

I've seen nothing confirming any 1080p out games from launch, but if it happens that is all good.

E3: What resolution are PS3 games running?

As the next-gen parade continues at E3, many people have stopped by to comment on their opinion of Sony's upcoming console after it was revealed that at least two of the upcoming titles would definitely be running at 720p, not the 1080p Sony has been touting as the true definition of HD. Just to clarify, no one has suggested that PS3 would not be able to output games at 1080p (well, no one suggested it until Sony revealed the $499 model would be without HDMI anyway).

After all that, IGN took a look around and has only found two games on display targeting 1080p. The upscaled-GT4 demo Gran Turismo HD, and Wardevil, showing a real-time tech demo but non-playable. It is likely that if you have a TV that can accept a 1080p input the PS3 will be able to upscale games rendered at 720p or 1080i to match, just like the Xbox 360 does. How soon until the first major native 1920x1080 game hits? That still remains to be seen.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Game consoles are for kids

Computers are for the big boys.

 

[NaOH]

Originally posted by: destrekor


my dream isn't for this machine to replace my machine. i like my machine and its abilities quite well. Im merely hoping that it will have capability beyond simply downloading game extras through a game network system. And whether or not an OS desktop looks good on a certain display means nothing to me. My reason to want this machine to handle a few things: streamlining tasks. If I want to know something real quick, why would I walk up to go to my computer and unlock it and load everything up and get to the browser to research something, when I could simply pause a game I am playing, or switch from my cable input on the tv to the PS3, and hop onto the net and get it there. If I am already near it, why move away. I don't plan on installing any games on this system or anything thats not necessary. Firefox would probably be the only thing I add as my computer can handle everything else. Mainly, my reasoning to hope for the added functionality, is for other people. Not everyone has a system speedy enough to handle the tasks they want, and the PS3 may very well be able to handle them. Some people may not even have a PC.

Not everyone has a computer that can do basic tasks or even a computer? Yet they shell out $700 + tax + keyboard/mouse + games. 😕

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: Hammerhead
It's budget time and I just placed a requisition to our accountant for 30 PS3's to replace our PC's here at work. Seems like a good choice. Hmm I wonder if we can print from it...

Of course you can print from them....

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: AMDUALY

Originally posted by: destrekor


my dream isn't for this machine to replace my machine. i like my machine and its abilities quite well. Im merely hoping that it will have capability beyond simply downloading game extras through a game network system. And whether or not an OS desktop looks good on a certain display means nothing to me. My reason to want this machine to handle a few things: streamlining tasks. If I want to know something real quick, why would I walk up to go to my computer and unlock it and load everything up and get to the browser to research something, when I could simply pause a game I am playing, or switch from my cable input on the tv to the PS3, and hop onto the net and get it there. If I am already near it, why move away. I don't plan on installing any games on this system or anything thats not necessary. Firefox would probably be the only thing I add as my computer can handle everything else. Mainly, my reasoning to hope for the added functionality, is for other people. Not everyone has a system speedy enough to handle the tasks they want, and the PS3 may very well be able to handle them. Some people may not even have a PC.

Not everyone has a computer that can do basic tasks or even a computer? Yet they shell out $700 + tax + keyboard/mouse + games. 😕

LOL, that cracked me up...

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: Hammerhead
It's budget time and I just placed a requisition to our accountant for 30 PS3's to replace our PC's here at work. Seems like a good choice. Hmm I wonder if we can print from it...

Of course you can print from them....

There is no need to print with the PS3. It accesses the 4th dimension to feed the information directly to your braaain.

 

[jlmadyson]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: jlmadyson

Originally posted by: Hammerhead
It's budget time and I just placed a requisition to our accountant for 30 PS3's to replace our PC's here at work. Seems like a good choice. Hmm I wonder if we can print from it...

Of course you can print from them....

There is no need to print with the PS3. It accesses the 4th dimension to feed the information directly to your braaain.

I swear I'm so behind.

 

[otispunkmeyer]

weeeeeeeee pass the bong

seriously thats what they must play when they have those board meetings....probably got a big round table with a big glass bong centre piece.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii pass the wii-mote

fixed

 

[Koing]

Idiot Sony exec...

Koing

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
"Um sir, $600 is too expensive for a console."
"It worked for Neo Geo!"
"Uhhh, no it didn't."
"Well, people are going to pay $1000 for a stand alone bluray player, we'll say it's too cheap compared to that."
*later*
"Sorry, they're not buying that one either."
"So lets just call it a computer, $600 isn't that bad of a price for a computer, right?"

LMFAO!!!!!!!!! this has to be EXACTLY thier train of thought... rofl..

 

[Lazy8s]

Can I hook up a SCSI drive? How about IDE slots? Can you replace the graphics cards? I want whatever these guys are on seriously....when will they learn consoles =12 and under PCs = 12 and up. (Except blizzard games, they attract alot of stupids)

 

[clickynext]

My opinion? If they're not careful with this, then PCs will render the PS3 useless instead.

 

[Suture]

Originally posted by: destrekor
its funny how many people seem insulted by such remarks by sony.
look, the PS3 truely is more advanced in terms of included components that make it able to fare better as a full system versus the PS2 and past consoles that didn't have anything necessary.
what remains to be seen is how open the system will be. can we put any ol' 2.5" HDD in the system? can we access a linux gui, or is the linux simply the backdrop for the system and we can't actually access the OS but rather the frontend dashboard? if we can access the actual OS GUI, then maybe drivers and whatnot won't be a problem for those of us who know what they are doing. Thus, any external peripherals can be used, such as external hard drives and optical burners. the software to run these peripherals already exists in linux, so as long as we can add the software we would be set. ANY ol' mouse and keyboard that is USB will work, so those saying we will have to buy Sony's products that might just be overpriced will be wrong. I have a Sharkboard for my PS2, and it works perfectly. it just so happens I rarely use it because of lack of reason to actually do so.
the ps3 has the expansion options, its all about how locked out of the system we are, if at all. im trusting sony will leave Linux pretty open to us, they've hyped the OS quite a bit actually.
so, if it all goes as I spelled out, then it would be a GREAT PC. Now cheaper PC's would get the job done and more effeciently, but considering this is a game console, then the added functionality is actually worth it. blu-ray drives will be expensive (the first blu-ray burner was released, its around $1000, bd-rom drives will be much cheaper, as usual).

sony has made a lot of errors in how they present things and just don't know what they are talking about at times, but they know what they are doing. they are simply getting the word out there, whether accurate or not. that makes business sense. get us nerds to argue about it and dig deep and if we find out they were telling the truth, thats even better for them. i tend not to listen to too much Sony has to say, but looking at the specs of the system itself, its quite capable of what they are proclaiming.

"Sony" and "open" do not belong in the same sentence EVER.

No console will ever replace a computer, period. Look at all the past attempts. When a console comes out bundled with a keyboard and mouse, and can run any app our computers can, THEN we can start replacing our conventional computers.

Also keep in mind that computer prices have dropped significantly over the years. You can get a complete computer with MCE from Dell with much more functionality for less than the cost of a PS3.

 

[thomsbrain]

these guys have more riding on this system than a lot of their other efforts combined, from a money standpoint. think about how much hype they'll put into just one band on one of their record labels, and the PS3 hype is nothing when you consider the earning potential of PS3 is orders of magnitude greater. you can't blame them for being desperate to out-hype their competitors. hype is exactly what sells systems on christmas, anyways. the parents don't know anything but what's being pushed in their faces the hardest, and that's what they'll buy. you wacked-out gamer geeks with both your own bucks and the desire to buy a system are the exception, not the rule. most of these systems are going to be bought for kids who don't have their own money, and kids believe in hype like the midwest believes in jesus.

 

[BoberFett]

Except the price of a brand new high end console in the past was $300-400. This blows that out of the water and whiny brats at Xmas or not, a lot of parents are going to see a $600-700 system and say to themselves "!@#$ that, you get Tinker Toys this year."

 

[sourshishke]

PS3 is a deal why all the fuss .360 20hdd $400+70 for live,PS3 BLU-RAY $500.
And what pc can you get for $600 that plays games full rez and all toys maxed
standard,and HD-DVD.Better start saving guys if you want a deal.Or buy the
lastest video card for $600,and feel like a dummy when the PS3 is all you really need.

 

[Saint Nick]

Maybe the PS3 will be a flop of 3DO or Dreamcast proportions! 😀