BenSkywalker
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I honestly don't know the answer to this, but do the PPUs work in Win7 at all atm? Last I was aware they didn't work with nV GPUs either.
On the box or wherever, does nV state that their product will stop functioning if a non-nV primary display adapter is detected? If it doesn't, then I think a lawsuit would be pretty open and shut.
ATi's AIW line didn't work when you didn't have it as the primary display adaptor either, and it never made mention of it not working under such a situation on the box. Doesn't come remotely close to winning you a law suit. Unlike the Sony case, your nV card will work as a PhysX card as soon as it is returned to being the primary display solution. For the Sony suit to be comparable it would be like them removing support for 360 controllers if they worked at some point.
ATi's AIW line didn't work when you didn't have it as the primary display adaptor either, and it never made mention of it not working under such a situation on the box. Doesn't come remotely close to winning you a law suit. Unlike the Sony case, your nV card will work as a PhysX card as soon as it is returned to being the primary display solution. For the Sony suit to be comparable it would be like them removing support for 360 controllers if they worked at some point.
FTR, I don't see any correlation with ATI's AIW. Completely different scenario.
As to the bolded part: This is a mirror of the situation with nVidia and Physx accleration. Initially GPU physx with an nVidia card worked with an AMD card as primary display driver, then nVidia removed support for this after it did indeed work at some point. To be explicit, it worked up until the point when nVidia decided to remove support.
I don't have a hard time understanding why people would be upset by this. As far as lawsuit over it goes, i'd say that's the last thing i'd consider.
For the Sony suit to be comparable it would be like them removing support for 360 controllers if they worked at some point.
ATi's AIW line didn't work when you didn't have it as the primary display adaptor either, and it never made mention of it not working under such a situation on the box. Doesn't come remotely close to winning you a law suit. Unlike the Sony case, your nV card will work as a PhysX card as soon as it is returned to being the primary display solution. For the Sony suit to be comparable it would be like them removing support for 360 controllers if they worked at some point.
I never used an AIW card, but I figured I'd look into what you are saying.
http://ec1.images-amazon.com/media/i3d/01/A/man-migrate/MANUAL000039021.pdf
Page 23, ATI clearly states to enable the multimedia functions the AIW must be the primary display controller. I assume this information was available at the time, though I don't know how readily displayed it was (on the box in the fine writing, the manual, etc.) I also grabbed the first one I found, I haven't looked at every model AIW in existence, but judging by the 9600 it was indeed notated.
I think that makes your AIW comparrison invalid. That information was available before you bought the part. Or at the very least, if you bought an AIW then found out that it wouldn't do what you want you could return it.
That is a completely different situation than someone who bought an Aegia PPU or GeForce for Physx to work with their primary AMD card. Nvidia took your money happily, then they took away the capabilities they advertised (without the no-AMD primary card information). Nvidia changed the system requirements after the fact. It's obviously an artificial limitation, they could have left that configuration unsupported.
I think this is a bad example for the All-In-Wonder series. The 9600 Pro version was only available in AGP flavor, and I don't think there were any dual AGP boards back in the day.
The manual also says "
For correct operation of your card’s multimedia features, theprimary graphics card." Which is vague. Going to page 15 as it suggest on that page it only states for multiple display support the card has to be set as primary, which is a function, thus I guess to cover their asses they have to say what they said in page 23.
ALL-IN-WONDER 9600 PRO card must be your computer’s
I'm going to look up a PCI version and see what it says. I clearly remember using my PC AIW as my capture card for a long time.
In Ben's example, which is flawed in my opinion, ATI sold the part with that information clearly available... that the card has to be the primary rendering part.
On the box or wherever, does nV state that their product will stop functioning if a non-nV primary display adapter is detected? If it doesn't, then I think a lawsuit would be pretty open and shut.
ATi's AIW line didn't work when you didn't have it as the primary display adaptor either, and it never made mention of it not working under such a situation on the box.
Amen. Just say no to nv.If nVidia won't let me use their products, I won't buy their products. It's as simple as that.