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Fatal accident reported in St. Bernard
By Jennifer Baker ? jbaker@enquirer.com ? July 16, 2009

ST. BERNARD -- Two cars may have been speeding on East Mitchell Avenue Thursday shortly before they crashed, killing both drivers, a police official said.

The cars smashed into two telephone poles near Vine Street about 11:40 a.m..

One of the drivers died at the scene of the crash; the second died later at University Hospital, said St. Bernard Police Chief Steve Moeller. The names and ages of the drivers have not been released.

Police suspect both motorists were speeding when their vehicles slammed into the poles, Moeller said.

They are not sure yet how fast they were going or if they were racing. A police dispatcher said there were no calls before the crash reporting speeders or racing near Mitchell and Vine.

?It?s way too early to know any of that,?? Moeller said. ?One would assume they had to be speeding due to the damage of the vehicles, but we try not to guess.??

The posted speed limit in the area near the crash is 35 miles per hour.

Police are interviewing potential witnesses who may have seen the cars before the crash. St. Bernard police have also asked the Cincinnati Traffic Unit to help reconstruct the accident.

The Enquirer will update this story as information develops.
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Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: spidey07
I bet they were hot dogging
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"ST. BERNARD -- Two cars may have been speeding on East Mitchell Avenue Thursday shortly before they crashed, killing both drivers, a police official said. "
 
Originally posted by: spidey07
Originally posted by: AstroManLuca
Originally posted by: spidey07
I bet they were hot dogging
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"ST. BERNARD -- Two cars may have been speeding on East Mitchell Avenue Thursday shortly before they crashed, killing both drivers, a police official said. "[/quote]

You were right to use that comment, then.

My reading comprehension sucks.

 
OMG, speeding! They are clearly idiots and deserved to die, because they dared drive faster than an arbitrary number local government decided on based on the level of traffic violation income it brings in.

If everyone has has ever been over the speed limit died, there wouldn't be anyone posting in this thread.
 
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
OMG, speeding! They are clearly idiots and deserved to die, because they dared drive faster than an arbitrary number local government decided on based on the level of traffic violation income it brings in.

If everyone has has ever been over the speed limit died, there wouldn't be anyone posting in this thread.
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I don't have a problem with a little speeding here and there, but if they were street racing fast enough to both lose control of their cars, they could have easily killed several innocent people when they lost control.

I guess we'll have to wait for some more details.
 
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
OMG, speeding! They are clearly idiots and deserved to die, because they dared drive faster than an arbitrary number local government decided on based on the level of traffic violation income it brings in.

If everyone has has ever been over the speed limit died, there wouldn't be anyone posting in this thread.
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1) They aren't arbitrary numbers. They are planned carefully to be safe in the worst case scenario (ie foggy with ice on the road and heavy winds and an accident ahead). True, they are safe to exceed slightly in normal conditions, but we don't yet have speed limit signs that change with road conditions.

2) Speeding by 5 mph is far different than by 15 mph. If you had known that difference, then you wouldn't be posting what you posted. Note: both were random numbers, not related to this incident.
 
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
OMG, speeding! They are clearly idiots and deserved to die, because they dared drive faster than an arbitrary number local government decided on based on the level of traffic violation income it brings in.

If everyone has has ever been over the speed limit died, there wouldn't be anyone posting in this thread.
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Here's the difference explained in little words for those who do not have the single brain cell necessary to understand on their own:

Those of us who have been over the speed limit did not lose control of our cars and hit a pole.
 


I absolutely know the difference, but the article doesn't seem to have any facts at all. It's like uh, we kinda think they were probably speeding based on vehicle damage but we don't know for sure. It's not very convincing.

It sounds like they were street racing, and I'd agree that is stupid and deserving of whatever happens, but speeding in itself isn't anything to get worked up about.
 
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Here's the difference explained in little words for those who do not have the single brain cell necessary to understand on their own:

Those of us who have been over the speed limit did not lose control of our cars and hit a pole.
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I agree completely with you. I'm sorry I wasn't born with a single brain cell, otherwise I could communicate with you as an equal.
 
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Here's the difference explained in little words for those who do not have the single brain cell necessary to understand on their own:

Those of us who have been over the speed limit did not lose control of our cars and hit a pole.
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I agree completely with you. I'm sorry I wasn't born with a single brain cell, otherwise I could communicate with you as an equal.
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lol
 
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Here's the difference explained in little words for those who do not have the single brain cell necessary to understand on their own:

Those of us who have been over the speed limit did not lose control of our cars and hit a pole.
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I agree completely with you. I'm sorry I wasn't born with a single brain cell, otherwise I could communicate with you as an equal.
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Well try to grow or buy at least one brain cell so that you understand that people involved in single-car accidents deserve to die. Until then the only things you can possibly comprehend are grunts and flung feces and that's just too damn messy. A car is a pretty stable vehicle and poles do not possess the mass to have enough gravity to attract them. If you run your car into one it's operator error. Period.
 
Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
OMG, speeding! They are clearly idiots and deserved to die, because they dared drive faster than an arbitrary number local government decided on based on the level of traffic violation income it brings in.

If everyone has has ever been over the speed limit died, there wouldn't be anyone posting in this thread.
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1) They aren't arbitrary numbers. They are planned carefully to be safe in the worst case scenario (ie foggy with ice on the road and heavy winds and an accident ahead). True, they are safe to exceed slightly in normal conditions, but we don't yet have speed limit signs that change with road conditions.
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Actually that is entirely false. It depends on the state, but you can get tickets for driving faster than the conditions allow.
 
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Here's the difference explained in little words for those who do not have the single brain cell necessary to understand on their own:

Those of us who have been over the speed limit did not lose control of our cars and hit a pole.
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I agree completely with you. I'm sorry I wasn't born with a single brain cell, otherwise I could communicate with you as an equal.
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Well try to grow or buy at least one brain cell so that you understand that people involved in single-car accidents deserve to die. Until then the only things you can possibly comprehend are grunts and flung feces and that's just too damn messy. A car is a pretty stable vehicle and poles do not possess the mass to have enough gravity to attract them. If you run your car into one it's operator error. Period.
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Not necessarily. It's more likely that one of the cars hit the other and sent them both out of control. Both drivers would still be guilty of being stupid, but only the one that hit the other would actually have made an error (since it's possible the other driver could have controlled his car were it not for the interference from the other one).
 
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Well try to grow or buy at least one brain cell so that you understand that people involved in single-car accidents deserve to die. Until then the only things you can possibly comprehend are grunts and flung feces and that's just too damn messy. A car is a pretty stable vehicle and poles do not possess the mass to have enough gravity to attract them. If you run your car into one it's operator error. Period.
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operator error, obviously

mechanical failures don't exist

All I am saying, is that just because someone is driving a couple miles over the speed limit is no reason they deserve to die. If the reason for the crash is found to be street racing, driving 20 mph over the limit, driving blind-folded, or anything else equally stupid I'll go ahead and join the bandwagon and call them Darwin award nominees. Based on the current story it's not that obvious.
 
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Well try to grow or buy at least one brain cell so that you understand that people involved in single-car accidents deserve to die. Until then the only things you can possibly comprehend are grunts and flung feces and that's just too damn messy. A car is a pretty stable vehicle and poles do not possess the mass to have enough gravity to attract them. If you run your car into one it's operator error. Period.
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operator error, obviously

mechanical failures don't exist

All I am saying, is that just because someone is driving a couple miles over the speed limit is no reason they deserve to die. If the reason for the crash is found to be street racing, driving 20 mph over the limit, driving blind-folded, or anything else equally stupid I'll go ahead and join the bandwagon and call them Darwin award nominees. Based on the current story it's not that obvious.
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If they were driving too fast to maintain control of their cars, then I have no sympathy for them. That includes if they were driving a couple of miles over the speed limit ... if they hit poles, they were driving too fast for their abilities, or the conditions at the time. They are to blame and I do not feel any empathy for them.
 
Originally posted by: TallBill
Actually that is entirely false. It depends on the state, but you can get tickets for driving faster than the conditions allow.
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Care to prove that any of it is false?

 
Originally posted by: D1gger
Originally posted by: Chiropteran
Originally posted by: GagHalfrunt
Well try to grow or buy at least one brain cell so that you understand that people involved in single-car accidents deserve to die. Until then the only things you can possibly comprehend are grunts and flung feces and that's just too damn messy. A car is a pretty stable vehicle and poles do not possess the mass to have enough gravity to attract them. If you run your car into one it's operator error. Period.
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operator error, obviously

mechanical failures don't exist

All I am saying, is that just because someone is driving a couple miles over the speed limit is no reason they deserve to die. If the reason for the crash is found to be street racing, driving 20 mph over the limit, driving blind-folded, or anything else equally stupid I'll go ahead and join the bandwagon and call them Darwin award nominees. Based on the current story it's not that obvious.
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If they were driving too fast to maintain control of their cars, then I have no sympathy for them. That includes if they were driving a couple of miles over the speed limit ... if they hit poles, they were driving too fast for their abilities, or the conditions at the time. They are to blame and I do not feel any empathy for them.
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Not sure what exactly you're getting at here, but if your car crosses "a couple miles over the speed limit," it doesn't magically make your speed the only contributing factor to a crash. Ex: You're going 60 mph in a 55 and keeping up with traffic, someone who isn't paying attention crashes into you and you die. Is it your own fault because you were over 55 at the time? Would it have made any difference at all if you were going 55 mph instead? Obviously the answer is no.

We have to wait and see just how fast they were going at the time of the crash. They can probably narrow it down fairly well. If they were going 80-90 mph, then obviously they were exceeding their own personal abilities. But a mechanical failure is still a mechanical failure, whether you're traveling 55 mph or 61 mph when it happens.
 
The Crash site is about 5 miles from where I work. I have driven that stretch of road many times. The curve on the road can be dangerous.

From what I have read it was a diabetic incident that lead to the one driver losing control. The first car then hit another car which sent the second car into a pole. The first car ran into one pole and then another pole before stopping. The diabetic was a 60 year old woman. This had nothing to do with racing or speeding. These two people did not deserve to die.

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