Something's wrong with my engine

Ultima

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Well I disconnected the PCV valve hose assembly from the intake manifold and it changed a couple things:

* Idle is very high in Park or Neutral (2000 - 3000rpm)
* The idle stays around 1000 in Drive or Reverse, instead of stalling like before.

Tomorrow I'm going to get the special T for the PCV valve (and reconnect it to the manifold of course) and see if that helps.

Also, many of the hoses had been replaced when I changed the head gasket.
I used regular vacuum hose slipped over the ends of the broken plastic tubing to replace that, and reinforced tubing (slightly smaller diameter, though) to replace some other ripped tubing. I used a regular T from Canadian Tire for one of the connections, and a universal T for the PCV hose assembly (I really wish I hadn't lost the original).

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Old Update:

Well, after taking it for a test run I think the timing is right, as the engine's power seems to be back and it doesn't sputter anymore, although the idle varies some. I'll take the timing belt to get adjusted tomorrow (and the timing checked) just to make sure. I didn't try any high-rpm driving because I don't want to snap the belt or anything so there may still be problems with power above 4000rpm.

A couple of things worry me...

1) Now, when the car is stopped in drive or reverse the idle will often drop dangerously low, and the car has stalled twice on me. I'm hoping this is just an issue of the computer getting used to the old timing. I'm leaving the battery negative cable disconnected overnight.

2) Oil and coolant levels have been dropping rapidly. The car has always leaked some oil, but not at this rate, and it hasn't leaked coolant which worries me.



Old Update:

Well, I just checked the timing and the camshaft was almost perfectly dead on. The distributer base was off but that had been compensated for by turning the distributer itself. Now, as I don't have a timing belt tensioner how do I retension the belt without taking apart everything, and what the heck is wrong with my engine?

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I just changed the head gasket on my car ('88 Dodge Shadow) and as I mentioned in that thread, the engine sputters a bit on idle but after driving the car around a bit I've noticed more.

I tried flooring it a few times close to home and sometimes the car will "lag", as if there's a delay between the pedal and the engine. Then it will go and give just about normal power between 1000 and 3000 rpm but between 3 and 4 thousand RPM the power just dissapears, and the engine won't go above 4000 RPM. IT's making a lot of noise, but the car isn't going any faster. In neutral it will rev up just fine.

When doing the timing the timing seemed to be around 10 degrees, but it was hard to tell because the timing light was messed up and only flashed occassionally when pointing at the flywheel (it flashed normal when pointing up - strange). The timing also seemed to jump around a bit.

So.. I don't get it. The PCV valve isn't solidly connected to the intake manifold (I won't have the part till monday, so I'm using a section of hose that's slightly too big and probably creates a leak) but that by itself wouldn't cause these problems, would it?
 

morkinva

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Yeh the vacuum leak around pvc would give you a big power problem


edit>. heh.. pvc -- PCV
 

desertdweller

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I'd start by checking the timing belt and making sure everything is
set correctly.

What you're describing sounds like what can happen if the timing
belt is off a tooth.


DD
 

Ultima

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Originally posted by: desertdweller
I'd start by checking the timing belt and making sure everything is
set correctly.

What you're describing sounds like what can happen if the timing
belt is off a tooth.


DD

The cam might be slightly off because it moved a bit but the crankshaft didn't move at all and the timing's around 10 degrees.

 

Soybomb

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Your camshaft's timing is off, I promise you. Set the engine to TDC, use a mirror and look at the sproket and you will see a horizontal line across the head. Set that line so its exactly through the holes in the cam. Let me know if you have problems with it.
 

SlowSS

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Originally posted by: StinkyMeat
I would say there's something wrong with your engine.


Great analysis....Make sure you keep that bag on your head.:)
 

Ultima

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Originally posted by: Soybomb
Your camshaft's timing is off, I promise you. Set the engine to TDC, use a mirror and look at the sproket and you will see a horizontal line across the head. Set that line so its exactly through the holes in the cam. Let me know if you have problems with it.

I'll check that tomorrow then, I guess. I mean, the cam can't be far off.. but i'll check it anyway! I guess I'll have to take the belt off to change that if it's that.... damn that was a pain in the ass to put back on.
 

zCypher

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Like I told you, have the timing checked out by a mechanic. Definitely sounds like a timing issue to me, as experienced of a mechanic I am. ;)

but seriously, wouldn't the timing being off JUST SLIGHTLY, cause all this ruckus?
 

Soybomb

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Originally posted by: Ultima
Originally posted by: Soybomb
Your camshaft's timing is off, I promise you. Set the engine to TDC, use a mirror and look at the sproket and you will see a horizontal line across the head. Set that line so its exactly through the holes in the cam. Let me know if you have problems with it.

I'll check that tomorrow then, I guess. I mean, the cam can't be far off.. but i'll check it anyway! I guess I'll have to take the belt off to change that if it's that.... damn that was a pain in the ass to put back on.

It doesn't take much. Seriously you've described exactly what having the cam off by a tooth or two will do on this motor. Print this and bring it outside with you.
 

Beau

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Originally posted by: Ultima
I just changed the head gasket on my car ('88 Dodge Shadow) and as I mentioned in that thread, the engine sputters a bit on idle but after driving the car around a bit I've noticed more.

I tried flooring it a few times close to home and sometimes the car will "lag", as if there's a delay between the pedal and the engine. Then it will go and give just about normal power between 1000 and 3000 rpm but between 3 and 4 thousand RPM the power just dissapears, and the engine won't go above 4000 RPM. IT's making a lot of noise, but the car isn't going any faster. In neutral it will rev up just fine.

When doing the timing the timing seemed to be around 10 degrees, but it was hard to tell because the timing light was messed up and only flashed occassionally when pointing at the flywheel (it flashed normal when pointing up - strange). The timing also seemed to jump around a bit.

So.. I don't get it. The PCV valve isn't solidly connected to the intake manifold (I won't have the part till monday, so I'm using a section of hose that's slightly too big and probably creates a leak) but that by itself wouldn't cause these problems, would it?

The gerbil on the wheel must have a broken leg.
 

Lvis

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Timing. Happend to my 2.2 after a timing belt change. After it was set correctly, all was well.
 

Ultima

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Did you reset the computer? After major engine work like that it needs to start fresh with settings.

The battery was disconnected for so long I figure it must have been reset..
 

CraigRT

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possible timing problem.. i had the same car (well, 88 LeBaron GTS) and when i adjusted the timing, the exact symptoms you list went away. now i'm not 100% sure obviously. but it sounds logical to try the timing..
 

notfred

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Originally posted by: morkinva
Yeh the vacuum leak around pvc would give you a big power problem


edit>. heh.. pvc -- PCV

No it wouldn't.

Anyway, timing sounds right. We had a bitch of a time getting my car to run right after we did the head gaskets and had pulled the alternator. When we finally got the timing set right, it ran fine.
 

Ultima

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Originally posted by: Soybomb
Bump for an update

I went and got the part for the PCV valve and that didn't change much. The old hose I was using was lined with oil though, and I think it was spraying oil all over the exhaust manifold. Damn was that smoking :Q

I didn't have enough daylight to check the timing, but I can't see it being anything else now so I'll check it tomorrow. Hopefully it's that and not that we crushed the gasket because of the way we tightened it. I also never checked it for warpage (or bothered getting it machined).

After doing the final 1/4 turn, some of the headbolts were under 95lb-ft's so we kept tightening them till they got there. I think it took over a turn for some bolts, and these were new bolts too. The funny thing is, the bolt over where the original gasket had failed (No. 1 cylinder water jacket) was rock-hard after the 1/4 turn.