Something's Up With The Space Shuttle (Missing)

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein

Also the "fuel tank" that supplies the solid rocket boosters is white 😕

That makes it much easier.

Initially the tank was painted white but after the first two flights the engineers realised that not painting the tank saved over 500 kilograms in weight. They are now left orange (the colour of the primer).

<FONT size=4>STS-1 - Columbia
STS-2 - Columbia
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There you go.. must be columbia.

 

[guyver01]

hmm... no page 10, but i'm the last? why cant i get to my post??

 

[DusterAZ]

Just wrong ->

Ebay

Nevermind now ... ebay deleted it 🙂

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: DusterAZ
Just wrong ->

Ebay

By winning this auction, I will send you an internet link to a picture of a piece of debris from the space shuttle columbia.

Save Your Money... This piece of debris landed outside Bronson, Texas.

 

[Zim Hosein]

The first launch was the only time the external tank was painted white, for photograph appearance.

Thanks for the info CaptnKirk.

Initially the tank was painted white but after the first two flights the engineers realised that not painting the tank saved over 500 kilograms in weight. They are now left orange (the colour of the primer).

guyver01, thanks for the confirmation.

🙁

 

[guyver01]

FYI.. NASA TV:

For those with satellite dishes, NTV is available through AMC2 (formerly referred to as GE2), Transponder 9C at 85 degrees West longitude, vertical polarization, with a frequency of 3880 Mhz, and audio of 6.8 Mhz. This is a full transponder service and is operational 24 hours a day.


NASA TV on the Web

 

[Pastfinder]

Helmet Found

Mission Patch found


The worst part is that they have found pieces of the crew; I just hope they died before the fire got to them... 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁

 

[geno]

My god, that image of the helmet... is just scary.

 

[Babbles]

What really bothers me now is that I have always assumed with the speed, friction, and altitude that the crew would have been cremated instantly; painless. However, after they find a patch, helmet, and body parts I am so afraid that they may have suffered as the shuttle broke up around them. And that, is not something I truly wish to ponder.

 

[skyking]

I do not believe the crew suffered. Frightened, for sure, at the computer messages of system failures, and probably a rough ride as things started to break up. After that, the G-forces involved in that breakup were probably unsurvivable.

 

[rickn]

Originally posted by: Babbles
What really bothers me now is that I have always assumed with the speed, friction, and altitude that the crew would have been cremated instantly; painless. However, after they find a patch, helmet, and body parts I am so afraid that they may have suffered as the shuttle broke up around them. And that, is not something I truly wish to ponder.

it happened so fast, I doubt they suffered at all. at that altitude and speed, im sure their lungs were probably crushed or collapsed. I'm pretty positive it was a very painless death, yet a very senseless death as well. But, they didn't die in vain.

 

[CaptnKirk]

They suffered explosive decompression, like a baloon when it pops.
Air pressure for breathing was near 14.7 PSI, atsmopheric, possibly lower,
air pressure (not inpact pressure) at 200,000 Ft is somewhat less than 0.5 PSI,
as 60K Ft. is 2 PSI and they were more than 3 times that altitude.
That is approximately a 30:1 expansion factor.

The Challenger when it failed, had the upper cabin remain intact, the lower
compartment was ruptured, and experienced explosive decompression.
The occupants of the Challenger crew cabins upper section were talking
for the 5 minutes it took to fall and hit the ocean.

They may yet find the upper section of the Columbia, there was a report
of an automobile size object falling into a lake or resivoir, possible candidate.

First notice of abnormal readings were over Nothern California: At 8:53 a.m., when the ship was crossing over San Francisco, a data point flickered on monitors at Mission Control indicating that the flow of information recording the temperature of the hydraulic systems in Columbia's left wing had suddenly ceased. At 8:56, when the ship was somewhere over Utah, the temperature in the landing gear and brake lining?again on the left side?registered high. Two minutes later, three temperature sensors embedded in the skin on the left flank of the ship quit transmitting. A minute later, temperature sensors in the left tires winked out too. All these data hiccups were reported by the mission controllers to the flight director.

 

[guyver01]

Originally posted by: rickn

But, they didn't die in vain.

i hope you meant pain...
they didn't die in vain means we learned something from their death... what exactly did we learn?

 

[guyver01]

HORRIBLE..
CNN is reporting on TV that people in Texas dont want to call the police if there is debris in their yard.. they feel it's on their property, and therefore they can keep it.
I can only guess they want it to 'sell' for a profit...

Send in the FBI and tell 'em it's a federal offense to steal federal property like that..

 

[Pastfinder]

Originally posted by: guyver01
HORRIBLE..
CNN is reporting on TV that people in Texas dont want to call the police if there is debris in their yard.. they feel it's on their property, and therefore they can keep it.
I can only guess they want it to 'sell' for a profit...

Send in the FBI and tell 'em it's a federal offense to steal federal property like that..

Amen to that, it's twisted to want to keep something that was someone's coffin...

 

[Linux23]

Originally posted by: Pastfinder

Originally posted by: guyver01
HORRIBLE..
CNN is reporting on TV that people in Texas dont want to call the police if there is debris in their yard.. they feel it's on their property, and therefore they can keep it.
I can only guess they want it to 'sell' for a profit...

Send in the FBI and tell 'em it's a federal offense to steal federal property like that..

Amen to that, it's twisted to want to keep something that was someone's coffin...

Not to mention evidence that could possibly solve the mystery surrounding this shuttle accident.

 

[Aceshigh]

Originally posted by: guyver01
HORRIBLE..
CNN is reporting on TV that people in Texas dont want to call the police if there is debris in their yard.. they feel it's on their property, and therefore they can keep it.
I can only guess they want it to 'sell' for a profit...

Send in the FBI and tell 'em it's a federal offense to steal federal property like that..

Oh my god. I feel sick.

How can human beings be so low?

 

[Pastfinder]

Originally posted by: Linux23

Originally posted by: Pastfinder

Originally posted by: guyver01
HORRIBLE..
CNN is reporting on TV that people in Texas dont want to call the police if there is debris in their yard.. they feel it's on their property, and therefore they can keep it.
I can only guess they want it to 'sell' for a profit...

Send in the FBI and tell 'em it's a federal offense to steal federal property like that..

Amen to that, it's twisted to want to keep something that was someone's coffin...

Not to mention evidence that could possibly solve the mystery surrounding this shuttle accident.

That too 😉

 

[Grasshopper27]

Originally posted by: guyver01
HORRIBLE..
CNN is reporting on TV that people in Texas dont want to call the police if there is debris in their yard.. they feel it's on their property, and therefore they can keep it.
I can only guess they want it to 'sell' for a profit...

Send in the FBI and tell 'em it's a federal offense to steal federal property like that..

They can feel it is their property all day long, doesn't make it so. The Space Shuttle (and its remains) are United States Government Property, it is a federal offense to keep any part of it.

Hopper

 

[CaptnKirk]

G-Hopper gets my concurrence on this issue.

U.S. Government property - an American asset belongs to the country, NOT to stubborn ignorant individuals.
10 to 20 years would be about right for not surrendering the parts to authorities.

Any single part, no matter how trivial it appears, may be the key to solving what occured,
and may offer the solution to prevent it from happening again.

We now have lost 40% of the fleet - we must protect the remaining 60% until a suitable replacement can be constructed.
Thats 10 - 15 years out before concept becomes flight hardware.

 

[FrontlineWarrior]

I dunno if this has been posted or not, but is this true?

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/

"These are the days of miracle and wonder," sang Paul Simon in the 1980s. It ran through my head all morning, from out of nowhere, and I think I know why. It has to do with the impossibility, the sheer implausibility, of the facts. We are on the verge of war in the Mideast, a war springing in its modern origins from the tensions of the Arab-Israeli conflict; our president, a Texan, believes we must move on Iraq. The space shuttle that broke up today carried, for the first time ever, a Mideastern astronaut, an Israeli who won fame when he led a daring raid on a nuclear reactor in Iraq, 20 years ago. The shuttle broke up over the president's home state, Texas. The center of the debris field appears to be a little town called Palestine.

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: SirChadwick
They say that it is very unlikely that this was an act of terrorism...I think otherwise. What are the chances of this happening? I'm thinking they don't want to panic everyone in the US thinking that we've let them get away w/ another act.

Heh, terrorists are still held accountable to the laws of physics, it would be impossible for them to A. get a stinger missile up that high, or B. to hit the shuttle traveling at those speeds. Besides look at what happened. Heat tiles were coming off, I don't see any way a terrorist could cause that, if they got close enough to do that they would just stick a bomb on board. This was an accident, a terrible terrible accident. My thoughts are with the families. RIP

 

[DaiShan]

Originally posted by: StinkyPinky
I hope it was a quick death. Can you imagine being the pilot and feeling the shuttle fall apart on you? I wonder what went through his mind, or if he even had time to think about such things...

And he was Israeli too. Let's hope he doesn't cop some unfair blame, because it sounds like there was nothing he could have done.

The pilot was American. There was an Israeli on board who was a member of the Israeli Air Force, but he was not the mission commander. If anything could have been done by the pilot I'm sure it would have been, these guys are the best and the brightest pilots around, they are probably better than the guys that fly the president.

 

[SuperTool]

The Space Shuttle Must Be Stopped
I totally agree. It's corporate welfare that is paid for with our taxes and astranauts lives. There is no need for the Shuttle.

 

[HermitGuy]

U.S. Government property - an American asset belongs to the country, NOT to stubborn ignorant individuals.

I really hope the feds will go after some of these idiots and pin their ears back, some people just make you wish you could exclude them from the gene pool!!:disgust::|

I've been following the shuttle program since it started, I went to see the first launch... twice! It was scrubbed on Friday and finally went up on Sunday morning. After Challenger I had hoped never to see this happen again in my lifetime.🙁

My sympathies go with the shuttle crew and their family's!🙁