Something Useful! Obama Wants Overtime Pay for More Salaried Workers

[s0me0nesmind1]

Holy Crap! Something useful that most people will agree with! Shockingly amazing that you could do such a thing!

For once, I completely back this initiative. Worker production is up 90%. Worker pay is up ~2.5%. Nuff said. I know people that put in 80-100 hours on a regular basis on some premise that it will pay off in the future by giving up their soul for a few years until they break down and slit their wrists. It truly is disturbing.

Bypassing Congress, President Barack Obama intends to order changes in overtime rules so employers would be required to pay millions more workers for the extra time they put in on the job.

The rules, which would not likely take effect until 2015, are aimed at workers currently designated as supervisory employees but who are exempt from overtime because they get paid a salary of more than $455 a week. Obama plans to order his Labor Department to recommend regulations that would increase that salary threshold and change the definition of what constitutes a supervisor.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/official-obama-push-overtime-pay-22872979

 

[chucky2]

The problem with working productivity numbers is that in Reality they are working productivity* numbers. *: The worker is really putting in less effort, yet productivity is up due to process and technology advancements not available to past generations.

So while I can agree that someone working long hours should be compensated for it, actually saying that workers of today are somehow outperforming workers of yesteryear, on their own, without any of the process and technology advancements, is...not believable.

Chuck

 

[1prophet]

The rules, which would not likely take effect until 2015, are aimed at workers currently designated as supervisory employees but who are exempt from overtime because they get paid a salary of more than $455 a week. Obama plans to order his Labor Department to recommend regulations that would increase that salary threshold and change the definition of what constitutes a supervisor.

Whether Obama has the answer or not remains to be seen,

but the old trick of getting free labor out of employees by making them supervisors while many times doing almost the same job as hourly employees and required to fill in for free when hourly employees are not available needs to be put to a stop,

in the old days it was a path to promotion but today it's used too often for free labor by dangling a carrot just out of reach.

 

[Jhhnn]

Don't you know that labor regulations are pure ebil soshulism?

 

[berzerker60]

Holy Crap! Something useful that most people will agree with! Shockingly amazing that you could do such a thing!

For once, I completely back this initiative. Worker production is up 90%. Worker pay is up ~2.5%. Nuff said. I know people that put in 80-100 hours on a regular basis on some premise that it will pay off in the future by giving up their soul for a few years until they break down and slit their wrists. It truly is disturbing.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/official-obama-push-overtime-pay-22872979

Good for you. Rare for someone to step outside their usual party's side and applaud good ideas from the other. I'm also hugely concerned with wage theft and shit like unpaid internships, pressure on workers to work during lunch and on unpaid weekends, etc. It's a huge problem that just makes unemployment even worse.

 

[Jhhnn]

Good for you. Rare for someone to step outside their usual party's side and applaud good ideas from the other. I'm also hugely concerned with wage theft and shit like unpaid internships, pressure on workers to work during lunch and on unpaid weekends, etc. It's a huge problem that just makes unemployment even worse.

Well, yeh. Why hire anybody when you can just beat the cash out of the employees you already have?

In today's job market, employees will take all the abuse you can dish out.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Good for you. Rare for someone to step outside their usual party's side and applaud good ideas from the other. I'm also hugely concerned with wage theft and shit like unpaid internships, pressure on workers to work during lunch and on unpaid weekends, etc. It's a huge problem that just makes unemployment even worse.

I work in an industry where people get hit HARD with this shit. The turnover is astronomical. Management is lucky if someone lasts 2 years. It pays pretty well, but overall still blatant abuse IMO. I wish I was still single when I got this job

 

[OverVolt]

The problem with working productivity numbers is that in Reality they are working productivity* numbers. *: The worker is really putting in less effort, yet productivity is up due to process and technology advancements not available to past generations.

So while I can agree that someone working long hours should be compensated for it, actually saying that workers of today are somehow outperforming workers of yesteryear, on their own, without any of the process and technology advancements, is...not believable.

Chuck

Lol no. Not in my sector right now anyway.

 

[chucky2]

What sector are you in where on an hour to hour comparison the workers of today are more productive, technology and process notwithstanding, than the workers of 50 years ago?

 

[norseamd]

What sector are you in where on an hour to hour comparison the workers of today are more productive, technology and process notwithstanding, than the workers of 50 years ago?

neither are the managers

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

What sector are you in where on an hour to hour comparison the workers of today are more productive, technology and process notwithstanding, than the workers of 50 years ago?

audit and consulting. Suck it.

 

[Strk]

What sector are you in where on an hour to hour comparison the workers of today are more productive, technology and process notwithstanding, than the workers of 50 years ago?

Well, I can say in my segment, the people actually doing the physical labor definitely are. I work in a distribution center and now you have a mixture of automation for replenishment (elimination of downtime due to waiting for product) and orders being given instantly and done through a computer system (headsets, computer attached to machinery etc). It used to be people would go to the office for orders, get it printed out and then get the items.

Admittedly, that's going with the technology and process stuff, but there has been a lot of downtime built into jobs that has been eliminated by technology. You can't really ignore that. It hasn't caught up in all segments, as in we still have IT guys who swear they are worth a lot, yet browse the internet 39 hours a week because they think they're just "that efficient."

 

[chucky2]

neither are the managers

For sure.

audit and consulting. Suck it.

Wut?

Well, I can say in my segment, the people actually doing the physical labor definitely are. I work in a distribution center and now you have a mixture of automation for replenishment (elimination of downtime due to waiting for product) and orders being given instantly and done through a computer system (headsets, computer attached to machinery etc). It used to be people would go to the office for orders, get it printed out and then get the items.

Admittedly, that's going with the technology and process stuff, but there has been a lot of downtime built into jobs that has been eliminated by technology. You can't really ignore that. It hasn't caught up in all segments, as in we still have IT guys who swear they are worth a lot, yet browse the internet 39 hours a week because they think they're just "that efficient."

That really is my point. People think they're more efficient and actually contribute to the productivity metrics rise, and cite productivity metrics as proof of that. Are they though really that much better of a worker than someone from 50 years ago? I highly doubt it. They may have better knowledge of how to do something, but that's not because they're smarter, it's because they are benefitting from being taught by instructors who stood on the shoulders of the people who taught them, and so on. They may generate reports far faster, get a piece of metal attached the vehicle quicker, figure out the solution more rapidly, but because they themselves are such hot shit? Or because tech and know how that they get to enjoy has progressed? I think about it this way: Take the average worker in any given industry. Now bring forward someone in the same industry from 50 years ago, but, play god and keep that persons work ethic, yet infuse into that person the same innate and taught know how the current person gets to enjoy, plus give him the same tech the current person gets to enjoy. Turn them loose at the same job. Who do you think is going to perform better over the year? My money is on the guy who was willing to walk halfway across the city to show up at the 6 AM start job so he didn't have to stand the humiliation of standing in line at the soup line, rather than the guy who is surfing the net, making cell calls, walking around talking to people, getting into work at 9:15, etc. etc. Are there people now with great work ethic? Absolutely. On average is our work ethic better now than it was 50 years ago? Who would be insane enough to say Yes?

 

[drebo]

I'm not sure what the point of this is. It's not going to result in more money for people. It'll either result in less wages, less jobs, or less hours.

The first two are net negative. The last one is the choice of the employee. If they're being paid for a 40 hour work week, then it's their responsibility to work 40 hours. If they're expected to work more and not given comp time, they can always find another job.

 

[BoberFett]

Don't you know that labor regulations are pure ebil soshulism?

Drunk again, eh fucktard?

 

[Jhhnn]

Drunk again, eh fucktard?

Want some cheese with that whine?

Our usual Libertopian/ Teatard/ ravers & worshippers of the Jerb Creators have been mighty quiet about this, huh?

What about Unconstitutional & anti-Merricun Big Gubmint! interference in the sacred Free Market! that's the source of all that's good and holy in this world? The divine right of Capital to do anything they please, cuz it'll all auto-magically trickle down to the rest of us? The pitiful plight of the financial elite, oppressed by an evil Kenyan?

C'mon guys, stand up for what you believe in!

 

[Jhhnn]

I'm not sure what the point of this is. It's not going to result in more money for people. It'll either result in less wages, less jobs, or less hours.

Perhaps you'd care to elaborate on that naked assertion of Faith, explain the mechanics of it all.

The first two are net negative. The last one is the choice of the employee. If they're being paid for a 40 hour work week, then it's their responsibility to work 40 hours. If they're expected to work more and not given comp time, they can always find another job.

Yeh, just get another job. They'll treat you better. Honest. You bet. True Story, Bro!

Well, if you can find one. (Checks current employment stats... wtf jobs are you talking about, anyway?)

 

[Newell Steamer]

Worker pay is up ~2.5%.

Oooooo, yeah, this means that the companies that are making billions in profits will need more corporate welfare.

Not at an ~2.5% increase, but, more like a 2,500%. Better yet, make it 5,000%.

Oh, and lets make sure no government intervention / involvement is available for a kid looking for a meal; those little cock suckers need to get it right: be rich, otherwise die,.. I mean, they need to stop relying on the government to give them stuff.

 

[Jimzz]

Whether Obama has the answer or not remains to be seen,

but the old trick of getting free labor out of employees by making them supervisors while many times doing almost the same job as hourly employees and required to fill in for free when hourly employees are not available needs to be put to a stop,

in the old days it was a path to promotion but today it's used too often for free labor by dangling a carrot just out of reach.

I remember I worked retail and they had great news!!! They were making me a manager; I turned it down. They were shocked so I wrote down the hours the other 2 salaried managers worked and then cut by wages paid. They made less per hour than I did as a part time. Only difference was they got more hours.


I hear the same thing for a lot of the dollar stores and small shops. They make the person a salaried manager but don't give them enough people/time to get the work done so you end up working for 3-4 people to make it up.

 

[Brovane]

What a concept. Actually have to pay your workers for the hours worked.

 

[Jhhnn]

I remember I worked retail and they had great news!!! They were making me a manager; I turned it down. They were shocked so I wrote down the hours the other 2 salaried managers worked and then cut by wages paid. They made less per hour than I did as a part time. Only difference was they got more hours.


I hear the same thing for a lot of the dollar stores and small shops. They make the person a salaried manager but don't give them enough people/time to get the work done so you end up working for 3-4 people to make it up.

Yeh, but your name tag would have said "Manager". The beautiful thing about abuse in the workplace is that it works much like abuse in the home. The more abused one is, the more likely that they'll be willing to abuse others, thus perpetuating the cycle & serving the interests of the ownership class.

 

[Jhhnn]

Oooooo, yeah, this means that the companies that are making billions in profits will need more corporate welfare.

Not at an ~2.5% increase, but, more like a 2,500%. Better yet, make it 5,000%.

Oh, and lets make sure no government intervention / involvement is available for a kid looking for a meal; those little cock suckers need to get it right: be rich, otherwise die,.. I mean, they need to stop relying on the government to give them stuff.

Well, yeh, but suffering & going hungry is good for the soul, builds dignity. Ask Paul Ryan or anybody else who's never done it.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I'm a manager that's guaranteed 40 hours pay a week and receive overtime for any time I work beyond 40 hours. This was also the case when I took a supervisors position.

 

[Incorruptible]

Government has no right to get involved with this. He's just using this as a way to buy more votes and his idiotic supporters fall for this BS.

 

[Oldgamer]

Holy Crap! Something useful that most people will agree with! Shockingly amazing that you could do such a thing!

For once, I completely back this initiative. Worker production is up 90%. Worker pay is up ~2.5%. Nuff said. I know people that put in 80-100 hours on a regular basis on some premise that it will pay off in the future by giving up their soul for a few years until they break down and slit their wrists. It truly is disturbing.


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/official-obama-push-overtime-pay-22872979

I see nothing wrong with this, and think this is a good thing!