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Something that just brought a tear to my eye...
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They may not want to be there, but they believe being there is necessary. This makes it difficult, as the soldiers and the public have seperate views. The majority of the soldiers think they are doing the right thing. The majority of the public, at this time, thinks the war is a waste of thousands of dollars per American citizen. It's kind of like a favor you never asked for and didn't want. And you're supposed to be grateful for it? Harder than in WWII for certain.
I do know what I am talking about. I have many friends in the armed forces and have had many lengthy discussions with them about things. No...I have not actually been there and am not in the armed forces myself - it is not for me...it's not my calling in life. But I know many people who for them it is and they will defend their country and I will be here supporting them 100%. I get so sick and tired of people bashing our troops without even knowing any of them or even taken the time to try to understand what they go through. I don't care if you believe in the war or not, our troops need our support - they don't need all the people at home bashing them and protesting and crap.
There is a lot that you do not know about me as well so do not assume you can speak to me like I know nothing.
CaptnKirk
Lifer
As I said: "You don't know squat !" If you haven't done the time - you're NOT a player,
no matter how many troops you have talked to or ever will talk to.
1) I was 'Over There'
2) My son was 'Over There'
3) He goes back - again, on Sunday.
4) Unless you join the club, you aren't a player.
Don't lecture me on 'Supporting the Troops'
CaptnKirk
Lifer
LOOK PINHEAD -
If you are not in the Military, you just don't get it - and YOU NEVER WILL !
As I said - He's going back to do another year in a situation that a fool like you cannot comprehend, and are too chicken to stand up to.
'Not My Calling" is a coward's cop-out.
They don't have to call, if you trurned 18 it's up to you to step up to the plate and prove your mettle, either you've got guts, or you don't . .
simple as that.
I've been out of the service since 1968, but have worked ever since in the defense industry, building systems that Real Soldiers
can use to defend themselves, and make the USA safe for Chicken-Hawks and cowards
who don't have the guts to defend their country themselves.
If you are not in the Military, you just don't get it - and YOU NEVER WILL !
As I said - He's going back to do another year in a situation that a fool like you cannot comprehend, and are too chicken to stand up to.
'Not My Calling" is a coward's cop-out.
They don't have to call, if you trurned 18 it's up to you to step up to the plate and prove your mettle, either you've got guts, or you don't . .
simple as that.
I've been out of the service since 1968, but have worked ever since in the defense industry, building systems that Real Soldiers
can use to defend themselves, and make the USA safe for Chicken-Hawks and cowards
who don't have the guts to defend their country themselves.
DougK62
Diamond Member
Not that I don't sympathize with what you're saying, but you should be aware that the elitest attitude that you're displaying isn't helping your cause. Serving in the military doesn't automatically put you on a pedestal as some sort of super-awesome American. Your average Joe that works hard at his job, pays his taxes, etc. is just as important to the American way of life.
meltdown75
Lifer
wow, what started as a nice sentiment & pretty vulnerable post by the OP has turned into a bicker-fest.
yep, still OT. 🙂
yep, still OT. 🙂
CaptnKirk
Lifer
He is infering that because he has 'talked to some soldiers' and looked at some pictures' it qualifies him as full knowing.
I, and many other people who have actually served take offense at that inference.
Living vicariously but not participating doesn't cut it.
Veterans seldom, if ever, discuss what's real with outsiders, and if he isn't on the inside with knowledge
he's on the outside bleeting about something he can never, ever understand or truely comprehend.
That's not 'eletist' - it's just the way it is.
I, and many other people who have actually served take offense at that inference.
Living vicariously but not participating doesn't cut it.
Veterans seldom, if ever, discuss what's real with outsiders, and if he isn't on the inside with knowledge
he's on the outside bleeting about something he can never, ever understand or truely comprehend.
That's not 'eletist' - it's just the way it is.
DougK62
Diamond Member
You dismiss anything said by the poster simply because of a lack of first-hand experience. You call him 'chicken' and imply that he's a pussy for not enlisting when he turned 18. You gloat about how you currently help "real" soldiers protect all of us dummies cowering in the corners pissing our pants.
That's elitism. Your posts drip with it.
It is entirely possible to give valid input on a subject without actually doing it in the real world. I do it daily, and my input is valuable. There are many ways to gain knowledge.
While I agree that your work is important, it doesn't necessarily make you a better or more important American, citizen, person, etc. than anyone else.
SupaDupaCheez
Platinum Member
I was watching CNN today and they had a feature on the Colonel that just died (Woode I think) in Iraq and they were talking to another Col. who was friends with the deceased. The Col. started asking some of his men if they carried anything to 'get them through'. One man pulled a plastic baggie from his pocket that had several small items in it. One of the items was a note written by one of his (young) children that read something like: 'We miss you Daddy, come home....A.S.A.P'. It just hit me like a ton of bricks because the child was trying to talk in "Army Speak" to be more like his/her father.
Kids are awesome...
SDC
Kids are awesome...
SDC
:roll:
Oh man that is an ignorant statement. The veterans are the VERY reason we have our way of life. Let's see, average joe who works at Burger King or some office pencil pusher or a Soldier who fights for everyone elses freedom. I give my respect to the soldier. I for one put ANY soldier on a higher pedestal because they deserve our respect and thanks.
And regardless of how much you want to argue the fact I will NEVER change my attitude.
Many soldiers have died so someone like you can have the freedom you obviously don't appreciate.
:roll:
DarkKnight69
Golden Member
I cannot belive that you think of every soldier as just a regular person.
Any man woman or child willing to put their lives on the line for others in a complete show of unselfishnes is a heroe in my book.
No, most did not have the choice to be in Iraq, but there are there cuz they swore to protect their nation and to defend their people. Even if their leader is using them for a vain cause, none of them should be forgotten. they are still our heroes.
I am not in the military, and no I am not a citizen of the US, but I still respect every US serviceman/woman that is willing to do his duty to protect his people. They are the true heroes.
Yes, a soldier is a regular american, but they are aware of the risks and are still signing up with the possiblity of death to protect their nation and their people!!!
Any man woman or child willing to put their lives on the line for others in a complete show of unselfishnes is a heroe in my book.
No, most did not have the choice to be in Iraq, but there are there cuz they swore to protect their nation and to defend their people. Even if their leader is using them for a vain cause, none of them should be forgotten. they are still our heroes.
I am not in the military, and no I am not a citizen of the US, but I still respect every US serviceman/woman that is willing to do his duty to protect his people. They are the true heroes.
Yes, a soldier is a regular american, but they are aware of the risks and are still signing up with the possiblity of death to protect their nation and their people!!!
You have no idea who you are talking to. You are calling me names, calling me a fool...saying that I don't comprehend something that I comprehend more than most people and that I'm chicken to stand up to? That's ridiculous...just because I'm not in the military does not mean I won't stand up for what I believe in. I believe in this great country and I will defend it if I feel it necessary.
So don't try and tell me that saying "it's not my calling" is a cop out...don't call me a "chicken-hawk" or a "coward" because you know absolutely nothing about me.
Because what you have experienced...and because veterans that YOU know don't discuss it with "outsiders" means that other TOTALLY DIFFERENT people (some FAMILY) won't discuss it with me? That's a really stupid assumption.
I appreciate and respect what veterans and current service men and women have done, are doing, and will do for this great country....don't think that I don't.
So..no I am not in the service but I have travelled and have helped in other ways. No I don't shoot terrorists, but I have helped in many humanitarian ways. I have been to poverty stricken areas, helped build buildings, homes, etc. for people less fortunate than we are in this country. I have given time, money, sweat and blood to better the world around me. If that makes me some "coward" just because I didn't do this while in the military...well that's ridiculous. The people in the military get paid to do what they do (and rightfully so..and perhaps not paid enough in some cases)...but what I have done has COST ME money and I received no money for doing it. I have taken time off of work, paid for expenses, etc. So don't talk to me like I know nothing or that I don't care about what goes on around me in this world.
No...I won't have quite the same view of the war as an actual soldier but that doesn't mean that I don't understand it and can't comprehend it.
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