Something seems a bit suspicious about them there "Computer Speeds"

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Ryan

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Originally posted by: Elemental007
Originally posted by: rbloedow Bacause it wouldn't be a smart move, financially. With the current system, AMD and Intel can wring out the most dollars from their consumers (which is all that really matters)
^ read my message above this.

I wasn't agreeing wiht the poster, I was just saying that, even if it was even possible, it wouldn't be a smart move financially.
 

PoPPeR

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Originally posted by: Elemental007
Originally posted by: rbloedow Bacause it wouldn't be a smart move, financially. With the current system, AMD and Intel can wring out the most dollars from their consumers (which is all that really matters)
^ read my message above this.
You are correct, I have no idea how they work. I was actually thinking of making a thread on how they work awhile ago but I figure the internet probably has the answer somewhere. I totally agree that if there was a way, they would have done it, especially AMD who before their recent release of the 64bit processor, was struggling badly. I don't think knowing how a CPU is built is common knowledge, but yeah that doesn't mean people can post random stupid crap just because of their lack of knowledge.

 

DrPizza

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Originally posted by: rbloedow
Originally posted by: Elemental007
Originally posted by: rbloedow Bacause it wouldn't be a smart move, financially. With the current system, AMD and Intel can wring out the most dollars from their consumers (which is all that really matters)
^ read my message above this.

I wasn't agreeing wiht the poster, I was just saying that, even if it was even possible, it wouldn't be a smart move financially.

Well, at least you weren't agreeing with the poster.... but you're still wrong about it being a smart move... It would be. (Unless you're suggesting they lay off their research and development team, stagnating the level of technology and slowly introducing faster and faster chips. In which case, any competitor is going to develop a much faster chip than they're capable of, introduce it, and put them out of business.)
 

Lonyo

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To the original poster.

If AMD could release a 6GHz processor while Intel were stuck at 3.xGHz, then they would get pretty much 100% of the CPU market because their chips would be so much better. They wouldn't have to worry about competition.

If you can release a product light years ahead of the competition, then you would do it, knowing that if you did, you'd be filthy stinking rich (assuming the product wasn't horrribly expensive).

You don't conspire to increase speeds slowly, you try and increase them as fast as you can to be better than your competition, if AMD or Intel could pull something amazing out, they would, rather than sitting back and letting the competition get the better of them.
 

Ryan

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
Originally posted by: rbloedow
Originally posted by: Elemental007
Originally posted by: rbloedow Bacause it wouldn't be a smart move, financially. With the current system, AMD and Intel can wring out the most dollars from their consumers (which is all that really matters)
^ read my message above this.
I wasn't agreeing wiht the poster, I was just saying that, even if it was even possible, it wouldn't be a smart move financially.
Well, at least you weren't agreeing with the poster.... but you're still wrong about it being a smart move... It would be. (Unless you're suggesting they lay off their research and development team, stagnating the level of technology and slowly introducing faster and faster chips. In which case, any competitor is going to develop a much faster chip than they're capable of, introduce it, and put them out of business.)

Say AMD could release a 6ghz chip right now - it would be better for them to increase the clock speed from their current lineup incrementally than to release the best that you've got all at once.

What would be best for AMD would be to release a 3ghz Athlon64 now (No, none of this 3200+ naming BS, when the processor is really 2.Xghz), which would wipe the floor with anything intel has to offer. Clock per clock, the AMD performs MUCH better than anything intel has now. Once people realize that AMD has the best processor out, then 2-3 months down the road, release a 3.5ghz chip, and keep on increasing in 500mhz increments. Intel might try to catch up in the short term, but ultimately they couldn't (assuming they don't have any super processors up their sleeves). As AMD increases increment to increment, more market share will be gained, and so will more money (especially since you have those people who just HAVE to have the best that their money could buy), leading to AMD becoming the #1 player in the CPU market. You milk the market for as much money as you can get.
 

pennylane

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Question about AMD's earnings in the past year... has it gotten better in the last quarter/lately? ie... I'm worried about them going out of business.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: fanerman91
Question about AMD's earnings in the past year... has it gotten better in the last quarter/lately? ie... I'm worried about them going out of business.

I don't think it will really get better until Athlon64 is mainstream, unfortunately.

I hope AMD doesen't go under. That would suck so bad......
 

DannyBoy

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Originally posted by: Lucky
Originally posted by: XZeroII
Originally posted by: zCypher
Originally posted by: Rob9874
You must not remember the computing days back in the early-mid 90's. I remember when 100MHz Pentiums came out. I couldn't believe they broke the 100MHz mark. Several months later, I was proud that my parents bought us a 120MHz PC. Top of the line, and a full 20MHZ faster than the blazing 100MHz I was so impressed by. Then came the 133's, 166's, and then the almighty 200MHz!!!

Now we're making 200MHz advances. I think that's pretty good.
exactly. i think this guy just is new to this world and doesn't really know what he's talking about. the computer world moves at an increasing pace. It is NOT slow. I bought a 2GB drive for $245. I also bought a 20GB drive for that price, and I bought two 80GB drives at $140-160 each. Now you can buy an 80GB drive for around 100cdn. Processors... they have 3GHz+! That's just insane. I have 1.3GHz and I see no need to upgrade at all. I have a GIGABYTE OF MEMORY! I remember when 4MB was $200-300+! I remember having 96MB (and posting on it here, and posting about that system at the time)... that wasn't that long ago. I had a 233MHz Cyrix processor.. FIC motherboard, etc etc. now Ihave an MSI KT4V, I have all kinds of stuff. and time has barely moved.

There is no conspiracy.

That's nothing. I bought a 250MB hdd for $250 back in the day.


Bah! I bought a 20MB hard drive for my 8 MHz mac SE for $800 back in the day. :D

Doesnt that make you feel sick now?

You could of saved that $800 and bought a 9800 and a P4EE with sum extra had you not bought that 20mb drive :(
 

ReiAyanami

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AMD lost $112 million last quarter but was "upbeat" on the future. they had like 6 months of cash left so maybe they pulled a convertible bond offering. even germany said they would chip in, in the form of super tax breaks since the dresden fab is very important their and germany's hanging at 11.4% unemployment


Why doesn't AMD just do a leapfrog past Intel by releasing a 6 GHZ Chip?

why don't YOU build your own 6ghz chip. you obviously know it will eventually exist, therefore you should be able to know how to build one yesterday.
 

Eli

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Originally posted by: ReiAyanami
AMD lost $112 million last quarter but was "upbeat" on the future. they had like 6 months of cash left so maybe they pulled a convertible bond offering. even germany said they would chip in, in the form of super tax breaks since the dresden fab is very important their and germany's hanging at 11.4% unemployment


Why doesn't AMD just do a leapfrog past Intel by releasing a 6 GHZ Chip?

why don't YOU build your own 6ghz chip. you obviously know it will eventually exist, therefore you should be able to know how to build one yesterday.

:(

If the Athlon64 isn't a success... I fear they will go under. :(
 

0roo0roo

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yea, amd has been losing money for like 2 yrs?


don't want em gone, intel needs competition bad.

iwon't buy intel.

as for your conspiracy theory, how %@# stupid are you.

amd's bleeding money by keeping their chips from beating intel senseless and thus owning the profitable high end market? :p