Something *looks* odd (PS3 w/ an HP 24"inch monitor)

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RaiderJ

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Originally posted by: mlm
Originally posted by: hans030390
How does it look with just 1080p checked? Also, get into your monitor's settings. You should have a 1:1 pixel mapping/scaling option (as people have said). That needs to be enabled.

That would force the PS3 to scale 720p games, and the games that don't support scaling would go down to 480.

I believe that downscaling to 480p was only occurring with 1080i monitors, possibly fixed now by Sony.

The PS3 *should* be set to output 1080p only, since that's the resolution of your monitor. If a game does some other resolution, then letting the PS3 hardware do the scaling would be best.

Your monitor *should* be set to 1:1 pixel mapping, otherwise it's going to stretch out to those extra few pixels. For example, my 1366x768 LCD TV displays text kinda goofy when getting a 1360x768 image from my PC without it.
 

BassBomb

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Originally posted by: mlm
Originally posted by: hans030390
How does it look with just 1080p checked? Also, get into your monitor's settings. You should have a 1:1 pixel mapping/scaling option (as people have said). That needs to be enabled.

That would force the PS3 to scale 720p games, and the games that don't support scaling would go down to 480.

Not true

Burnout does not scale up to 1080p and actually remains at 720p

Make sure you are using 1:1, and 1080p mode on the ps3

What you are noticing is the fact that most games are NOT native 1080p and the engines generally have some blur to them
A photo from a PC in 1080p will generally look much nicer than 1080p in a game on a console
 

MraK

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I checked 1080p and unchecked everything else, except 480p, which for some reason I can't uncheck it:confused: Another thing I have noticed is if I enabled upscale for HDMI and enable Double scale on my PS3, everthing including 720p games look VERY NICE now all the eye candy is there now like *water,fire,smoke, and the shine from surfaces all look realistic, the only thing remains, that I see is the jagged edges on everything as if I turned on/off v-sync since the monitor is at 60hz.

The grainy look is gone and now everything is starting to look smooth in terms of overall graphics and yes I could see now how 1080p looks on my games.

I think now the only thing I really have to do is find a way to remove the jagged edges so that everything looks smooth, dont get the wrong idea, after all the tweaking I had done in the PS3's options, I am quite satisfied with the outcome, its just the "rough" edges that tick me off:laugh::|

oh btw I cant find anything on the monitor that has the 1:1 mapping option unless I'm too noob to find or see it in front of my eyes:laugh:
 

MraK

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well thats how I put it since whenever I play my PC games on my computer turning AA up makes things seems better quality, but when I turn v-sync on/off I would start to see jagged edges, but since you mentioned AA, the PS3 doesn't have that kind of option to enable/disable Aliasing, or it seems so since I dont see anything that would help remove the jagged edges. Unless you know of a way to remove that problem, I guess I'm stuck with it..

I enabled Double Scaling but doesn't remove the jagged edges.

Does anyone know of a site that shows the description of the all the options of the PS3, because I have found nothing in the PS3 manual that would explain the options in the "Display" and "BD/DVD" menu. Since I have noticed enabling/disabling certain things helps with the visual quality of the games but still leaves the jagged rough look.
 

BassBomb

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Do you mean screen tearing? That is what vsync stops. If you are talking about edges that you see on 3d models where they are "bumpy" and not straight that is aliasing
 

MraK

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Originally posted by: BassBomb
Do you mean screen tearing? That is what vsync stops. If you are talking about edges that you see on 3d models where they are "bumpy" and not straight that is aliasing

is their a way to fix that problem I am currently facing, in my PS3 settings or maybe the monitor settings?
 

hans030390

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Originally posted by: MrAK
I checked 1080p and unchecked everything else, except 480p, which for some reason I can't uncheck it:confused: Another thing I have noticed is if I enabled upscale for HDMI and enable Double scale on my PS3, everthing including 720p games look VERY NICE now all the eye candy is there now like *water,fire,smoke, and the shine from surfaces all look realistic, the only thing remains, that I see is the jagged edges on everything as if I turned on/off v-sync since the monitor is at 60hz.

Upscaling and double scaling is only supposed to affect PS2/PS1 games and DVDs, if I'm correct.

oh btw I cant find anything on the monitor that has the 1:1 mapping option unless I'm too noob to find or see it in front of my eyes:laugh:

That might be something you'd have to find in the manual...or do a google search with your specific model for help.
 

MraK

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Originally posted by: hans030390
Originally posted by: MrAK
I checked 1080p and unchecked everything else, except 480p, which for some reason I can't uncheck it:confused: Another thing I have noticed is if I enabled upscale for HDMI and enable Double scale on my PS3, everthing including 720p games look VERY NICE now all the eye candy is there now like *water,fire,smoke, and the shine from surfaces all look realistic, the only thing remains, that I see is the jagged edges on everything as if I turned on/off v-sync since the monitor is at 60hz.

Upscaling and double scaling is only supposed to affect PS2/PS1 games and DVDs, if I'm correct.

the funny thing is enabling those options actually helped with the overall look of the game, everything looks more detailed and colors are clear and the fire/water/smoke/object surfaces, all look WAY BETTER than they did before I did those changes in the PS3's options, yet still leaving it left wth the jagged/rough look problem.

Overall I guess I am satisfied, but wonder if their is still a way to remove that current problem I am having with the jagged edges.
 

MraK

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maybe I should make a youtube video showcasing what I meant in what I am currently having a problem with, since some people take me for some well.. ignorant person who doesn't know what to do:Q

And based on what I am seeing onscreen, with the images, I know for sure its something to do with the PS3 and not the monitor.
 

BassBomb

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Just so you know, the scaling options are only for the ps2 games, changing these options have NO affect on PS3 games.

Changing what resolutions you allow to be displayed on your monitor does change how the ps3 will output different resolutions.

Now, will you kindly tell us whether you are talking about aliasing or screen tearing?

Aliasing is where what SHOULD be a straight line is more like a staircase (SOLUTION: Antialiasing --> not present on PS3)

Screen tearing is when you turn fast and you notice one part of the screen seems to be updating faster than another part and you get sortof a line between them. (SOLUTION: Vsync --> not present on PS3)

 

herkulease

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Originally posted by: MrAK
maybe I should make a youtube video showcasing what I meant in what I am currently having a problem with, since some people take me for some well.. ignorant person who doesn't know what to do:Q

And based on what I am seeing onscreen, with the images, I know for sure its something to do with the PS3 and not the monitor.

no one saying your dumb. well I'm not.

I for one think you should try one thing at a time.

the 1st being setting the ps3 to output only 1080p then find in your monitor the option to do 1:1 pixel mapping. See if that works for you.

->I looked up your monitor find "custom scaling" and select fill to aspect ratio. from my readings it should be 1:1 pixel mapping. Mine 24 literally says 1:1 so its very easy.

see how that works. Then we'll move onto other things.
 

MraK

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ok I'll try to make it more understanding, ex: staircase scenerio, when a line is supposed to look straight, it just looks crooked. Since the PS3 doesn't have aliasing, what is the problem with the image? As for screen tearing, thank God I dont see that since everything runs smooth with the exception of the crooked edges *jagged/rough* thus crooked lines/angles

And when I change the output resolution in the PS3 display option I uncheck everything and leave 1080p check marked yet 420p is stuck at check marked, i cant seem to uncheck it for some unknown reason, why would that be so?

And I go to custom scaling, in the monitor's onscreen options and enabled fit aspect ratio, but the "crooked" problem is still there

SORRY for the somewhat negative reaction i gave out earlier, its just I am new to these kind of things when it comes to troubleshooting problems such as this:)

 

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The PS3 will not allow you to uncheck 480p because that is the minimum resolution it supports when an HDMI cable is connected. If it was the composite cable that came with it, it would allow 480i.

The aliasing issue is a PS3 feature. There is no hardware scaler on the PS3 that I know of, so the monitor will upscale the 720p to whatever resolution it is using because the PS3 won't, in this case 1920x1200 or 1920x1080. Monitors do not generally have the most advanced scalers, with a couple of exceptions, so they just use an algorithm to scale the smaller resolution up to full, without smoothing. The 360 does this generally a bit better.

The best PC analogy I can use, is if you set your video card to perform GPU scaling vs. centred timings and scale up 1280x800 or something like that to full resolution using either the video card or the monitor.

When the video card's hardware scaler does it, the output is smoothed out, which is great in games, but not great for text. When the monitor does it, text is more legible/sharper, but games look more aliased. That's because the video card has a built in hardware scaler chip to upscale and smooth simultaneously, while the monitor just upscales, with zero smoothing. The only monitors that I know of that smooth are the NEC LCD2x90WUXI-BK and Gateway XHD3000, both which are over $1000.00.

TVs do this to an extent, as well as some noise reduction, but the big issue is that you are sitting close to the monitor, which does reveal otherwise unseen details. I have both a 360 and PS3 and I can tell you that while graphically both are good, the 360 handles upscaling better and smooths things out a bit more. I can also say that with most PS3 games outside of Gran Turismo Prologue and Metal Gear Solid GP, all other games only do 720p max, and some will default down to 480p if you turn off the 720p option. Only these two are 1080p.

Keep in mind, that you can play with display settings till the cows come home, but nothing is really going to improve things drastically. Just turn off any 1080i resolution. Monitors are notoriously bad at de-interlacing.

I find there is one setting reachable in the A/V control panel of BluRay in the PS3 (accessed by hitting the triangle button) that affects how black levels are set with a monitor. If you find you are losing dark details you can set the AV to be either limited range or Full range RGB out in the AV control panel. It works similarly to the "Full Range HDMI" control on the display settings in XMB, but this is something you have to specifically set for BluRay while playing a BluRay.

Also look in the advanced image settings of the monitor and see if you do get Fill, Aspect, 1:1 as options. You don't want the monitor stretching the image to 1920x1200, you want it at 16:9, 1080p.

Good luck.


Originally posted by: MrAK
ok I'll try to make it more understanding, ex: staircase scenerio, when a line is supposed to look straight, it just looks crooked. Since the PS3 doesn't have aliasing, what is the problem with the image? As for screen tearing, thank God I dont see that since everything runs smooth with the exception of the crooked edges *jagged/rough* thus crooked lines/angles

And when I change the output resolution in the PS3 display option I uncheck everything and leave 1080p check marked yet 420p is stuck at check marked, i cant seem to uncheck it for some unknown reason, why would that be so?

And I go to custom scaling, in the monitor's onscreen options and enabled fit aspect ratio, but the "crooked" problem is still there

SORRY for the somewhat negative reaction i gave out earlier, its just I am new to these kind of things when it comes to troubleshooting problems such as this:)

 

MraK

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Thanks for the tips and advice 10e, I finally tweaked out what I could do with the PS3 and monitor, I found the right combo of image options and now my PS3 games look much better now
 

MraK

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left it on 1080p, did some other changes in the PS3's BD?DVD settings (even though someone said the PS3 does nothing for images on the Monitor, it actually made the image alot better) and it pretty much upscales all the 720p games that I have. images dont look spread out or big, very little noise is noticeable and the jagged/rough edges are much less pronounce unlike before and basically everything that needs to look realistic like fire and water are now well, realistic:laugh:
 

JF060392

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if your not used to it, hdmi cables relay quite a different image than the component cables or the dvi cable. In the end you will have better response time and colors which are more vivid than before.
 

abaez

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Question:

If you have a BR drive and use a particular program (I happen to be using TotalMedia theatre), when I go full screen I see small bars at the top and bottom. My desktop resolution is set to 1900x1200 - does the software automatically output the proper 1:1 scaling or am I actually not seeing true BR resolution?
 

Nutdotnet

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Originally posted by: JF060392
if your not used to it, hdmi cables relay quite a different image than the component cables or the dvi cable. In the end you will have better response time and colors which are more vivid than before.

Huh?

Sure, HDMI > Component....but HDMI and DVI are essentially the same things...HDMI simple has the HDCP Protection-thing and carries 5.1 audio.
 

RaiderJ

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Originally posted by: Nutdotnet
Originally posted by: JF060392
if your not used to it, hdmi cables relay quite a different image than the component cables or the dvi cable. In the end you will have better response time and colors which are more vivid than before.

Huh?

Sure, HDMI > Component....but HDMI and DVI are essentially the same things...HDMI simple has the HDCP Protection-thing and carries 5.1 audio.

Well, unless you're using a Monster HDMI cable! Then you get sparkles!