Something *looks* odd (PS3 w/ an HP 24"inch monitor)

[MraK]

I just bought a new monitor for one of my computers
HP w2408h 24"inch
I am currently using it with my PS3 *connected w/ an HDMI* cable

Everything looks superb when I'm using the monitor with the computer, the gaming aspect is pretty ok for it being a TN monitor.

Now when I use it with my PS3, something looks odd, maybe its just me but I do notice a bit of something odd with the image quality.

When I watch a Blu-ray movie, I do notice the difference with 1080p compared to the conventional LCD monitor or non-HD tv, such as the box-tv I have in the living room.

And although the image is greatly improved, both with blu-ray movies and games, the odd thing is very revealing, with both movies and most with games.

The image, although nice looking in 1080p, is it me, or the monitor, or the PS3 itself that I could see the image look grainy l(ike using the noise effect in Photoshop) , the image resolution itself resembles gaming with a 800x600 resoluton on a 20"inch monitor, which looks terrible and even the HD effects, such as fire and smoke look so downgraded, almost too pixelated.

I have fidled around with the PS3 image options here and there, sometimes i get a better image but not a pure 1080p image

I guess its safe to say its like this only when gaming, but movies seem to not have these kind of odd things.

I dont know, but ain't 1080p with games supposed to look have the "super WOW" factor?

Can anyone help me out please

I have some friends who said I just have to do some changes in the option of the PS3 since the monitor seems ok (image looks really nice on the pc, blu-ray movies on the PS3 look great too, heck one of the best I have seen so far coming from a monitor like this) its just gaming on it with a PS3 is when the odd things come into play.

 

[spidey07]

Your monitor has a native resolution of 1900x1200, 1080p is 1920x1080. You're seeing scaling/motion effects. The fast motion of gaming makes it more apparent. Smoke or other fine graduated effects will get a blocky look to them because of the scaling.

Also a grainy look with movies can be normal depending on the director and the look they wanted and the film they were using. HD dvds allow you to see everything, everything.

 

[MraK]

my monitor is maxed out at 1920x1200 it even shows that number when I look at my resolution settings in PC games on my computer

and on the PS3 image quality it states its 1080P, even when changing the input settings from my pc to HDMI for my pc, the monitor menu screen shows "1920x1200 1080p @ 60hz"

 

[spidey07]

Right, your monitor is scaling the input which is 1920x1080 from the PS3. HD and computer display sources are different. Your monitor is NOT a HDTV, it is a computer monitor.

Your monitor is 1920x1200, that is NOT a High Definition standard or resolution. Maybe there is a setting on your monitor to make it display 1920x1080.

 

[MraK]

so basically I would have benefitted more if i had a LCD TV than using a LCD monitor?

I mean I have totally happy with blu-ray movies with my PS3, using this monitor and I guess I am somewhat satisfied with PS3 games with this monitor, its just i thought of it kinda odd to have the image look like that.

Do you think i could find changing some image/bu-ray options on the PS3 to find the best quality I could get with using this monitor?

 

[herkulease]

check in your monitor menu options to see if it has a 1:1 mapping option. You'll be left with a small black border but the image would not be stretched.

 

[MraK]

Originally posted by: herkulease
check in your monitor menu options to see if it has a 1:1 mapping option. You'll be left with a small black border but the image would not be stretched.

dont get me wrong I mean gaming on my pc with this monitor is superb at best and movies on my pc are a bit of an improvement from my last monitor which was a 20"inch LCD. And with blu-ray movies I really see a big difference compared to the image quality of DVD movies on my PS3 and PC, plus nothing is stretched as you were stating since everything (blu-ray movies) looks up to par and all out awesome to an extent (1080p)

Its just with PS3 games, although not stretched like you stated before and yet the image does look better than using my PS3 on a regular *box* TV, its just those small odd things seem apparent to eyes which are

1)although 1080p is stated and seemes to reveal with my PS3 games, somethings look jagged as if I turned up the performance and tuned down the quality one example is that any *STRAIGHT* line looks crooked when I get up close, not literally but in playing "Battlefield: Bad Company" which is the game I am currently playing on my PS3 with this monitor.
2)This seems to only happen with PS3 games, but Blu-ray movies are really eye-candy when in 1080p, I could actually see what 1080p/blu-ray is all about
3)although colors look vibrant and clear somewhat, I would always see a "noise effect" much like the thing you see when you add the "noise effect to photos/artwork" in Adobe photoshop, like a sandpaper/grainy feel. This doens't happen, if anything it happens VERY seldom when watching Blu-ray movies.

 

[spidey07]

You're seeing scaling artifacts.
*bangs MrAK over the head with a sock*

You've given a great description of what you're seeing, that's the scaling.

 

[MraK]

Originally posted by: spidey07
You're seeing scaling artifacts.
*bangs MrAK over the head with a sock*

oh well, can't pretty much do anything else but just accept what is true, based on what you have stated :laugh: and yet I still feel that I could somehow adjust some settings to improve my PS3 gaming on this monitor

 

[MraK]

I was about to get another of the same monitor for a new computer I'm building, but since this has become a reality, I'll just use this monitor for the new computer and just get another 24"inch LCD monitor.

Would you know of a 24"inch monitor that would give out a better image quality for a PS3 gaming experience???? I just dont want to end up getting a LCD TV since my PS3 is in my room and having a HUGH LCD TV in my room is just too much, that is why I ended up getting a 24"inch monitor instead

 

[spidey07]

Oh, I'm not saying you can't make your monitor take the scaling out of the equation. I'm just saying that's what you are seeing. I'm an audio/video guy so for help with your particular monitor you may find better answers in the video forum.

As already posted if you can do 1:1 mapping on your display it will most likely help.

 

[MraK]

Originally posted by: spidey07

As already posted if you can do 1:1 mapping on your display it will most likely help.

yea, it states in the specs for this monitor, plus i read some review that it said to have 1:1 mapping. Since you said that would help, what would I need to do in the PS3 image/resolution/blu-ray options or Monitor image options menu to help with the problem I am having?

thanks in advance for your input regarding this matter:thumbsup:

 

[NoSoup4You]

You're playing Battlefield: Bad Company and that's the only game you've played on the PS3 with your new monitor? Battlefield: BC is meant to look that way. It's like that on my monitor and on every one elses. The grainy effect is intended by DICE to make everything more "vivid".

 

[MraK]

Originally posted by: NoSoup4You
You're playing Battlefield: Bad Company and that's the only game you've played on the PS3 with your new monitor? Battlefield: BC is meant to look that way. It's like that on my monitor and on every one elses. The grainy effect is intended by DICE to make everything more "vivid".

oops sorry for only mentioning one game. Actually I have tried it with a number of my other games such as Fight night: round 3, Call of Duty 4, Dynasty Warriors 6, to name a few and it happens with those games as well, but its worst on Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit. but for some reason I dont see this that much at all with 1 certain game I have "Grid", kinda unusual. Its just I am currently playing Bad Company, which I am happy to say addicted to:laugh: just wished the image quality was better and the freaking jagged look would not be there, its like turning off v-sync on a pc game on the computer.

 

[herkulease]

Originally posted by: MrAK

Originally posted by: spidey07

As already posted if you can do 1:1 mapping on your display it will most likely help.

yea, it states in the specs for this monitor, plus i read some review that it said to have 1:1 mapping. Since you said that would help, what would I need to do in the PS3 image/resolution/blu-ray options or Monitor image options menu to help with the problem I am having?

thanks in advance for your input regarding this matter:thumbsup:

you only make adjustments to your monitor settings.

You essentially do nothing on the ps3 end. 1:1 mapping will adjust to whatever output resolution you set on the ps3. since you set it to 1080 it'll map 1920x1080.

 

[hans030390]

A lot of the games don't actually support 1080p either. I could be wrong, but if you have 720p enabled in the settings and games are playing in that resolution, that might also be why it doesn't look as good. Even if you only have it set at 1080p, it still has to upscale games that don't support a native 1080p...and from my experience, anything below the monitor's "standard" resolution doesn't look so great, even with upscaling.

I'm not sure, but if you haven't checked, the PS3 may enable any resolution below what it defaults at as well.

That's my best guess, next to it being a scaling issue.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: hans030390
A lot of the games don't actually support 1080p either. I could be wrong, but if you have 720p enabled in the settings and games are playing in that resolution, that might also be why it doesn't look as good. Even if you only have it set at 1080p, it still has to upscale games that don't support a native 1080p...and from my experience, anything below the monitor's "standard" resolution doesn't look so great, even with upscaling.

I'm not sure, but if you haven't checked, the PS3 may enable any resolution below what it defaults at as well.

That's my best guess, next to it being a scaling issue.

I'm actually pretty sure the majority of PS3 games dont do native 1080p. I'm positive COD4 and GTA dont even do native 720p on the ps3.

So the game is scaling up once to 1920x1080, and then the monitor scales it up again to 1920x1080. The only thing worse than one scale is two scales.

Make sure your PS3 is set to output 1080p (not 1080i) in the options, dont just assume its doing so cause youre on HDMI. Then check your monitor settings to see if you can turn off the scaling - many monitors can.

 

[MraK]

hmmmm I have noticed something now, base on what you guys have said


PS3 720p, 1080i, 1080p check marked /
Monitor current input: HDMI - 1920x1200@60hz

then I tried this

PS3 720p, 1080p check marked /
Monitor current input: HDMI - 1920 x 1080 @60hz

When I play Bad Company with the first settings image is better looking but has grainy look, but when I use the second settings image is downgraded somewhat but close to no grainy look.

Then I changed some settings in the PS3 image options, and forgot that Bad:company is actuall 720p resolution game and so I used this instead

PS3 720p check marked /
Monitor current input: HDMI - 1920 x 1080 @60hz weird

everything look better now, very little grainy look and much less jagged look but everthing looks bigger (which I didnt really like since it looked like I was playing on a low resolution or something)

My guess is I have to adjust something from the PS3, since the only thing the monitor is doing is reacting to what I change or enable/disable in the PS3's image/blu-ray options

 

[Raduque]

Tell me again why you can't just get a 20-something inch LCD TV?

The monitor is expecting NO LESS THAN a 1920x1200 image. The PS3 is NEVER going to output that exact specific resolution. Anything the PS3 puts out is going to be scaled by the monitor one way or another. The only way to get it looking "right" is to enable 1:1 pixel mapping on the monitor. You'll end up with letterboxed games, but they won't be scaled.

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: Raduque
Tell me again why you can't just get a 20-something inch LCD TV?

The monitor is expecting NO LESS THAN a 1920x1200 image. The PS3 is NEVER going to output that exact specific resolution. Anything the PS3 puts out is going to be scaled by the monitor one way or another. The only way to get it looking "right" is to enable 1:1 pixel mapping on the monitor. You'll end up with letterboxed games, but they won't be scaled.

Hard to find quality 20" LCD HDTVs. The price range of monitors is good as well. Or at least for me.

 

[BD2003]

According to the manual of your monitor, you should be able to do 1:1 and/or maintain the proper aspect ratio in 1080p/720p.

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfr...&product=3551927<=

In the OSD, under image control, go to custom scaling. Set it to fill to aspect ratio. Then check only 1080p and 720p, absolutely do NOT check 1080i.

I'd also advise you set the color to 6500k in your monitor.

 

[RESmonkey]

My monitor is 1680x1050 and it never has those scaling issues (well, mine would be downscaling).

 

[CasioTech]

I notice this problem everywhere i go. I assume that the games haven't caught up to the technology of the monitors or that the monitor technology needs to be viewed from further away.

if you ever play a ps3 at a gamestop, you'll notice all their demos look bad too from 1' away but they look great from far.

 

[hans030390]

Originally posted by: MrAK
hmmmm I have noticed something now, base on what you guys have said


PS3 720p, 1080i, 1080p check marked /
Monitor current input: HDMI - 1920x1200@60hz

then I tried this

PS3 720p, 1080p check marked /
Monitor current input: HDMI - 1920 x 1080 @60hz

When I play Bad Company with the first settings image is better looking but has grainy look, but when I use the second settings image is downgraded somewhat but close to no grainy look.

Then I changed some settings in the PS3 image options, and forgot that Bad:company is actuall 720p resolution game and so I used this instead

PS3 720p check marked /
Monitor current input: HDMI - 1920 x 1080 @60hz weird

everything look better now, very little grainy look and much less jagged look but everthing looks bigger (which I didnt really like since it looked like I was playing on a low resolution or something)

My guess is I have to adjust something from the PS3, since the only thing the monitor is doing is reacting to what I change or enable/disable in the PS3's image/blu-ray options

How does it look with just 1080p checked? Also, get into your monitor's settings. You should have a 1:1 pixel mapping/scaling option (as people have said). That needs to be enabled.

Also, try other games. Bad Company is definitely not a game I'd use to test a monitor.

 

[mlm]

Originally posted by: hans030390
How does it look with just 1080p checked? Also, get into your monitor's settings. You should have a 1:1 pixel mapping/scaling option (as people have said). That needs to be enabled.

That would force the PS3 to scale 720p games, and the games that don't support scaling would go down to 480.