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Something I don't understand about Alberto Gonzalez...

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He said he didn't remember who ordered the firings, right?

There are like 50 of these attorneys, and it's a very high position to have -- very visible.

So if he doesn't remember who called for their firing, and just signed off on it, doesn't that in turn make him a horrible manager?

How is he still saying he's fit for a job that requires oversight, awareness and intelligence to do, if he can't remember any big decisions?

Dunno... 🙁
 
Even if you just have a specific topic you want to discuss you need a link that references it? Or are things like that supposed to go to Off Topic?
 
Originally posted by: Shivetya
provide a link to a relevant story. its kind of like a requirement here... mostly
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People can start their own topics :disgust:


To the OP - yes that's what he's claiming and yes that does make him an ineffectual manager, basically if his side of the story is to be believed then he has underlinings that are running amok. Either way he's a short-timer, there is no possible way he can survive this.
 
Originally posted by: Shivetya
provide a link to a relevant story. its kind of like a requirement here... mostly
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You are a relative noob. It's never been a requirement to post links. In the old days 😀 many a thread lacked links b/c the discussion was largely exchange of opinions (and insults).

The rule for posting commentary was instituted as people began posting links SANS commentary.
 
I suppose Gonzales would be OK with me telling the IRS that I don't remember what that deduction was, but that I know it was properly taken and there is no wrong-doing involved?

Of course that's assuming I'm a good "Bushie" 😉
 
Originally posted by: Scribe
He said he didn't remember who ordered the firings, right?

There are like 50 of these attorneys, and it's a very high position to have -- very visible.

So if he doesn't remember who called for their firing, and just signed off on it, doesn't that in turn make him a horrible manager?

How is he still saying he's fit for a job that requires oversight, awareness and intelligence to do, if he can't remember any big decisions?

Dunno... 🙁
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There's 93 US attorneys but the rest of your post is spot on. Gonzales only went so far as to say the process was flawed . . . yet he believes the outcome was correct. Curiously, the guy basically responsible for the firings (Sampson) went so far as to say the process was flawed to the extent that not everyone on that list may have deserved to be fired. So Gonzales is not only a horrible manager but he lacks the awareness and intelligence to judge basic statements of fact.
 
Originally posted by: ayabe
To the OP - yes that's what he's claiming and yes that does make him an ineffectual manager, basically if his side of the story is to be believed then he has underlinings that are running amok. Either way he's a short-timer, there is no possible way he can survive this.
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Obviously you havent worked in business. You can have a completely know-nothing manager and so long as one of the higher ups likes him he'll get to stick around. It doesnt matter how bad of a job hes doing or how little he knows about what his underlings are doing, so long as he totes the boss' agenda and doesn't do the boss' wife then he'll have a job till the end of time.

 
Originally posted by: Drakkon
Originally posted by: ayabe
To the OP - yes that's what he's claiming and yes that does make him an ineffectual manager, basically if his side of the story is to be believed then he has underlinings that are running amok. Either way he's a short-timer, there is no possible way he can survive this.
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Obviously you havent worked in business. You can have a completely know-nothing manager and so long as one of the higher ups likes him he'll get to stick around. It doesnt matter how bad of a job hes doing or how little he knows about what his underlings are doing, so long as he totes the boss' agenda and doesn't do the boss' wife then he'll have a job till the end of time.
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Yes and in business when that moron is 'caught in the act' he gets axed. He can be a useless moron because he is in charge, and there's nowhere to go, and nobody to voice your complaints to.

Gonzalez got caught with his pants down, and people went to Congress to let them know.
:shocked:
But I agree with your comment... I'm at work right now 😉
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: Scribe
He said he didn't remember who ordered the firings, right?

There are like 50 of these attorneys, and it's a very high position to have -- very visible.

So if he doesn't remember who called for their firing, and just signed off on it, doesn't that in turn make him a horrible manager?

How is he still saying he's fit for a job that requires oversight, awareness and intelligence to do, if he can't remember any big decisions?

Dunno... 🙁
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There's 93 US attorneys but the rest of your post is spot on. Gonzales only went so far as to say the process was flawed . . . yet he believes the outcome was correct. Curiously, the guy basically responsible for the firings (Sampson) went so far as to say the process was flawed to the extent that not everyone on that list may have deserved to be fired. So Gonzales is not only a horrible manager but he lacks the awareness and intelligence to judge basic statements of fact.
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This basically goes to show you just how much respect these people of this administration have for us as citizens...because we are supposed to "Buy into" this load of crap when it is so obviously fallacious.

but yet STILL some people defend these lying A-holes....it just blows me away!
 
Gonzalez is a profoundly good attorney. Single handedly he found a loop hole in Texas law that prevented Bush's drunk record from being made public early enough to cost Bush the election.
 
The thread title is spot on---there is indeed something I don't understand about Gonzales---and thats how such an total idiot could be allowed to become our attorney general.

But come to think of it, the congress was Republican and rubber stamp in 2005. I guess that explains it---and it now 2007 and a few things have changed.

The only remaining question is how to skin the cat------ever so many ways to cut short Gonzales's remaining days. And now the Donkey breys ---with a immunity to Goodling and a subpoena for the RNC. Whose next whose next.
 
Originally posted by: Scribe
How is he still saying he's fit for a job that requires oversight, awareness and intelligence to do, if he can't remember any big decisions?
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The three apparent requirements for an important position in the Bush administration are:

1) Ideological purity
2) Abject loyalty to Mr. Bush
3) An utter inability to recall any failure or any potentially embarrassing event.

Mr Gonzales displays all three qualities, which is why he enjoys the president's full confidence. In the absence of an impeachable offense, that's all he needs to keep his job.
 
Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
Originally posted by: Scribe
How is he still saying he's fit for a job that requires oversight, awareness and intelligence to do, if he can't remember any big decisions?
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The three apparent requirements for an important position in the Bush administration are:

1) Ideological purity
2) Abject loyalty to Mr. Bush
3) An utter inability to recall any failure or any potentially embarrassing event.

Mr Gonzales displays all three qualities, which is why he enjoys the president's full confidence. In the absence of an impeachable offense, that's all he needs to keep his job.
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You win this thread.
 
Originally posted by: Shivetya
provide a link to a relevant story. its kind of like a requirement here... mostly
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Hey, Shive - would you not agree that the top law enforcement officer in the country should have more insight into what happens under his watch in his office?

It's this kind of "blind-eye" that leads to things like 9-11 or the mis-handling of New Orleans in the wake of Katrina.....
 
Mr Gonzales displays all three qualities, which is why he enjoys the president's full confidence. In the absence of an impeachable offense, that's all he needs to keep his job.



You win this thread.

Maybe in pre 11/06 linear republican thinking he does----but methinks Alberto is about to become so totally radioactive for GWB&co, that there will be no distance far enough away for GWB&co to place Alberto in a very short number of weeks-----and the ink on the new subpoenas set are barely dried yet----this scandal has legs---and Alberto will be just one of the the many electrodes stuck under the Presidents skin.----think rotten onion---you peel off the layers one by one---looking for something--anything good underneath--and when you discover there is nothing but rot---its time to pitch the whole rotten mess.---and Alberto is just the weak seam on one of those layers.---cut here and peel.
 
Bush will abandon Gonzalez as soon as Rove is in jeopardy.

Too late---Rove is already in jeopardy---Congress is already coming after Rove from at least three different directions that I know of---with subpoenas already cut to blaze the trail. They have not directly issued a subpoena to Rove-----------YET-----but I would bet its going to logically follow the current set. ---but the witnesses must follow the proper ceremony---and take the stand----and then Rove can have his turn to get the subpoena.
 
What I don't understand about Alberto Gonzalez: Why isn't he putting up drywall or mowing the lawn?
 
Originally posted by: Jadow
What I don't understand about Alberto Gonzalez: Why isn't he putting up drywall or mowing the lawn?
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Don't be a racist bigot---the guy is still an attorney---who found his meal ticket in GWB. And rode it to the top. Its simply what people with no ethics or integrity do first chance they get.
And if ignoring clear constitutional language is what it takes, that is what they do. If he he can
ignore clear ethical guidelines and get away with it, that what he does. And now he is caught and there is nothing to do but tough it out---and hope he can find a scapegoat to blame it on.
 
Originally posted by: Jadow
What I don't understand about Alberto Gonzalez: Why isn't he putting up drywall or mowing the lawn?
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The guy has a great resume . . . just a weak personal constitution. He has the same fatal flaw as Colin Powell . . . a failure to realize that he works for the PEOPLE not the President. IMHO, Colin Powell could have done a better job (and he knows it). He left b/c he couldn't do a better job in the Bush Regime. Gonzalez cannot do a better job . . . that's why he still has one.
 
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: Jadow
What I don't understand about Alberto Gonzalez: Why isn't he putting up drywall or mowing the lawn?
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Don't be a racist bigot---the guy is still an attorney---who found his meal ticket in GWB. And rode it to the top. Its simply what people with no ethics or integrity do first chance they get.
And if ignoring clear constitutional language is what it takes, that is what they do. If he he can
ignore clear ethical guidelines and get away with it, that what he does. And now he is caught and there is nothing to do but tough it out---and hope he can find a scapegoat to blame it on.
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You brought race into this. Jadow never mentioned race.
 
Originally posted by: MadRat
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: Jadow
What I don't understand about Alberto Gonzalez: Why isn't he putting up drywall or mowing the lawn?
Click to expand...

Don't be a racist bigot---the guy is still an attorney---who found his meal ticket in GWB. And rode it to the top. Its simply what people with no ethics or integrity do first chance they get.
And if ignoring clear constitutional language is what it takes, that is what they do. If he he can
ignore clear ethical guidelines and get away with it, that what he does. And now he is caught and there is nothing to do but tough it out---and hope he can find a scapegoat to blame it on.
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You brought race into this. Jadow never mentioned race.
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he brought in derogatory Mexican/illegal immigrant stereotypes.
 
Originally posted by: MadRat
Originally posted by: Lemon law
Originally posted by: Jadow
What I don't understand about Alberto Gonzalez: Why isn't he putting up drywall or mowing the lawn?
Click to expand...

Don't be a racist bigot---the guy is still an attorney---who found his meal ticket in GWB. And rode it to the top. Its simply what people with no ethics or integrity do first chance they get.
And if ignoring clear constitutional language is what it takes, that is what they do. If he he can
ignore clear ethical guidelines and get away with it, that what he does. And now he is caught and there is nothing to do but tough it out---and hope he can find a scapegoat to blame it on.
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You brought race into this. Jadow never mentioned race.
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hmmm what else could drywall and mowing lawns be referring to? :roll: Nice baiting though Jadow.
 
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