conehead433
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The only thing good I could think of in regard to the Republican and Disney feud would be Ron DeSantis never getting elected to public office again.
Mickey will still likely be protected due to the fact that it is a registered trademark of Disney, and that has no expiration. So that could impact the ability of independent people to make derivative works specifically of Mickey (and his depiction in old cartoons)No one that created Mickey is still alive. Disney is no longer owned by the Disney family. They have gotten their value out of Mickey, it's time for him to enter the public domain. Disney itself is the perfect example of why stories should enter the public domain, almost no one would know the story of Snow White, Little Mermaid, Cinderella, etc without Disney. All stories pulled from the public domain.
Also it isn't all of Mickey that's about to enter the public domain, only the original Steamboat Willie. So modern versions are still protected.
Do you think the Wright aircraft company should still have exclusive rights to build aircraft?
I don't think that style Mickey is Trademarked, but might be. Either way you could make him look different, but still have new "Mickey Mouse" stories.Mickey will still likely be protected due to the fact that it is a registered trademark of Disney, and that has no expiration. So that could impact the ability of independent people to make derivative works specifically of Mickey (and his depiction in old cartoons)
However, society would still greatly benefit by having old materials enter the public domain for redistribution or creating other derivative works. And anyone would be able to distribute or sell the public domain Mickey cartoons (regardless of trademark status).
Mickey will still likely be protected due to the fact that it is a registered trademark of Disney, and that has no expiration. So that could impact the ability of independent people to make derivative works specifically of Mickey (and his depiction in old cartoons)
However, society would still greatly benefit by having old materials enter the public domain for redistribution or creating other derivative works. And anyone would be able to distribute or sell the public domain Mickey cartoons (regardless of trademark status).
There would be no modern Disney without them depending on existing works.if an "artist" has to depend on existing works to be creative...maybe they need to find some other job, because that doesn't sound very creative to me.
Why should ANYONE have the right to materials created by someone else?
There would be no modern Disney without them depending on existing works.
Isn't that a trademark?
I think McDonalds tried to go after a Jamaican restaurant that had McDonald's as the same name.
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They couldn't buy the rights to Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Aladdin, Beauty & the Beast, The Little Mermaid, etc, as they were already public domain.BUT, AFAIK, they bought those works...or at least bought the rights to use them.
They couldn't buy the rights to Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Aladdin, Beauty & the Beast, The Little Mermaid, etc, as they were already public domain.
I'm not against shortening copyright protection. But I'm against this bill. Because our legislature is not supposed to pass laws to politically retaliate against private individuals or corporations.
Josh Hawley is a shit stain. Probably his parents are or were shit stains. And if he has kids, they'll be shit stains too. All he is doing here is puffing himself up like a peacock for his and Trump's brain dead cultist followers. That should never be the purpose of legislation. Legislating is not a performative act, and it should never be a punitive act.
It's corrupt right from the get go since he is trying to punish a specific company, and for that reason, it needs to fail, or it opens the door for more deplorable behavior of this kind. We should not be passing laws to punish our political enemies. Yet another basic norm of democracy flushed down the toilet by the far right. Brick by brick, we're losing our democracy.
Irrelevant, really, because your argument was:I don't really follow this stuff, but were those ever copyrighted before they became public domain?
Regardless of whether they had been copyrighted in the past, Disney still created those based on existing works, and so is apparently not very creative to you?if an "artist" has to depend on existing works to be creative...maybe they need to find some other job, because that doesn't sound very creative to me.
Why should ANYONE have the right to materials created by someone else?
Irrelevant, really, because your argument was:
Regardless of whether they had been copyrighted in the past, Disney still created those based on existing works, and so is apparently not very creative to you?
Should we throw Sherlock Holmes in the garbage because it's inspired and somewhat derivative of a Robert Lewis Stevenson's Suicide Club novella? Creativity breeds creativity, and as you may notice, many works are inspired or derivative of older stories, rehashed in a new context or with new twists.if an "artist" has to depend on existing works to be creative...maybe they need to find some other job, because that doesn't sound very creative to me.
Why should ANYONE have the right to materials created by someone else?
Why not make a law similar to this that applies to real property? You bought or built your house, but you only have ownership of it for 26 years (or 75 years) After that, it becomes public domain and anyone can live there without your permission or paying you for the privilege.
New Mexico maybe. Fed gov owns so much land (White Sands) there might not be enough of a large tract to acquire. Water is probably another bugaboo.I'm no fan of disney but they should up and leave that shithole state and open up shop elsewhere. Just another 200,000 floridians on the welfare system.
How do you feel about patents expiring? Why is it different?if an "artist" has to depend on existing works to be creative...maybe they need to find some other job, because that doesn't sound very creative to me.
Why should ANYONE have the right to materials created by someone else?
Why not make a law similar to this that applies to real property? You bought or built your house, but you only have ownership of it for 26 years (or 75 years) After that, it becomes public domain and anyone can live there without your permission or paying you for the privilege.
We also wouldn't have Splash Mountain without derivative works.Irrelevant, really, because your argument was:
Regardless of whether they had been copyrighted in the past, Disney still created those based on existing works, and so is apparently not very creative to you?
And isn't Sherlock in the public domain? Which has allowed all of the movies and shows to exist with many different takes.Should we throw Sherlock Holmes in the garbage because it's inspired and somewhat derivative of a Robert Lewis Stevenson's Suicide Club novella? Creativity breeds creativity, and as you may notice, many works are inspired or derivative of older stories, rehashed in a new context or with new twists.
Yes, some Sherlock Holmes is public domain; a few later stories are still protected. I just brought it up because it's not wide public knowledge that such a famous story and character piggybacked off a novella of another famous author.And isn't Sherlock in the public domain? Which has allowed all of the movies and shows to exist with many different takes.
Schools can do Shakespeare because it's in the public domain. By Boomer's standard someone should still be profiting off Shakespeare's writing. Even if that mean they decided to put it into a "Vault" and refuse to let anyone ever see it.