Something does not add up with history in the Americas

[Texashiker]

Something does not add up.

Oldest human remains in the Americas date to around 11,500 years ago.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110224145551.htm

Other evidence points to around 15,000 year go for humans to be in North America.


Archaeologists have discovered a 12,000-year-old iron oxide mine in Chile.

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-05-archaeologists-uncover-oldest-americas.html

The second oldest mine is in North America, was a copper mine, and dated to between 4,500 and 2,600 years ago.

South American mine - 12,000 years ago
North American mine - 4,500 - 2,600 year ago.

It seems a little strange that humans took so long getting to North America, then went to south America rather quickly, made settlements, and even started mining iron powder.

Why does it seem that the cultures in Central and South America were more advanced then cultures in North America?

Its almost like the people in Central and South America were thousands of years ahead of the people in North America.

 

[MrChad]

Read this

 

[IronWing]

The first peoples of North America simply had no need for metallurgical mining once they discovered that all their needs could be met through the mining of nitrous-calc-silicate, Ca-Si-N-O, ore bodies.

 

[KLin]

The first peoples of North America simply had no need for metallurgical mining once they discovered that all their needs could be met through the mining of nitrous-calc-silicate, Ca-Si-N-O, ore bodies.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Why does it seem that the cultures in Central and South America were more advanced then cultures in North America?

It gets cold here.

Its almost like the people in Central and South America were thousands of years ahead of the people in North America.

Just like people in Mesopotamia or Egypt were thousands of years ahead of people living on the Russian steppes. Civilization is easiest to get started in places with year-round growing seasons.

Add this to your reading list too.

http://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations-Americas-Before-Columbus/dp/140004006X

 

[zanejohnson]

Mayans...Aztecs....they built pyramids too....

Also...just think how probably far off we are on historical info we think we know ....

In the future they'll probably look back at our ruins and be like.. "and here we see the God they worshipped represented by golden arches...they called him the great Ronald McDonald"

 

[DrPizza]

So, you're bothered that it took 3000 years for the earliest settlers on this side of the world to make it from Alaska to Northern Chile (where the climate may have been a lot nicer? Though I'm not that familiar with climates of that era.)

Uhhhh, it's been less than 400 years (about 13% of 3000 years) since the Jamestown colony was founded. 3000 years is a LONG time.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

It gets cold here.

This is your answer. You can advance a lot more at basic science if you don't have to spend 1/2 the year huddled up for warmth and the other 1/2 of the year preparing to survive the winter.

That all turns-around when those basic scientific advances become well-known and the people that have to face the cold start utilizing said science to deal with their problems. (thus the modern idea of the industrious north)

 

[Ghiedo27]

My understanding has been that they just kept migrating. It had to be really cold for the land bridge to be there, so NA wouldn't have seemed all that hospitable to people without permanent shelter.

Wikipedia has the last big glacier intrusion into NA to be around 18,000 years ago. Certainly must have been quite chilly for people lacking permanent housing and fossil fuels.

 

[Texashiker]

So, you're bothered that it took 3000 years for the earliest settlers on this side of the world to make it from Alaska to Northern Chile

Its not just that it took 3,000 years, its that the cultures that traveled the furthest were more advanced then the cultures that stayed in a general geographical area.


South and Central America:
Incas
Mayans
Calendars
Pyramids
Roads
Machu Picchu
Mines

North America:
Pueblo cliff dwellings

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Its not just that it took 3,000 years, its that the cultures that traveled the furthest were more advanced then the cultures that stayed in a general geographical area.


South and Central America:
Incas
Mayans
Calendars
Pyramids
Roads
Machu Picchu
Mines

North America:
Pueblo cliff dwellings

Ever play civilization and get stuck near total crap?

 

[zinfamous]

Ever play civilization and get stuck near total crap?

:thumbsup:

 

[Fritzo]

There's a theory that Japanese fishermen made it to South America by riding the NW Asian and SW American currents. They brought pottery and other technologies to the Andies and advanced their civilization.

 

[IronWing]

The last glacial retreat took place ~10,000 ago so while those miners were busy in Chile, much of North America was still butt deep in ice with nasty weather out in front of the ice.

 

[child of wonder]

 

[IndyColtsFan]

There's a theory that Japanese fishermen made it to South America by riding the NW Asian and SW American currents. They brought pottery and other technologies to the Andies and advanced their civilization.

I also read a good book recently outlining the case for contact between Mesoamericans and Egyptians. The evidence presented and the parallels between the cultures are intriguing.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

I also read a good book recently outlining the case for contact between Mesoamericans and Egyptians. The evidence presented and the parallels between the cultures are intriguing.

It's more likely that a similar large flooding river and latitude lead to a kind of equifinality in the human social systems.

 

[0roo0roo]

Read this

yea he has some interesting points, but he takes it too far, it kinda caught on i think because it was the most politically correct explanation for why some peoples suck. problem is it removes all agency and responsibility for simplicity.

 

[Jeff7]

Mayans...Aztecs....they built pyramids too....

Also...just think how probably far off we are on historical info we think we know ....

In the future they'll probably look back at our ruins and be like.. "and here we see the God they worshipped represented by golden arches...they called him the great Ronald McDonald"

And the place of "China," from which all things originate.

<humans>

:thumbsup:

 

[IndyColtsFan]

It's more likely that a similar large flooding river and latitude lead to a kind of equifinality in the human social systems.

You're telling me that similar environmental circumstances leading to independent development of similar items across cultures is more likely than a ship getting blown off course and landing in the New World? Sorry, I'm not buying it. I'm not saying it isn't feasible but I'm not going to dismiss other theories as well. Some of the extreme similarities from memory:

1. Similar religious symbols.
2. Similar alphabetic symbols.
3. Similar symbols of royalty (down to the colors and a winged serpent in both cultures).
4. The legend of Quezcoatl's home place and the name for it being the same as what the ancient Egyptians called their own homeland.
5. The sudden appearance and rapid advancement of Olmec civilization where no advanced civilization once existed.
6. Odd similarities in pottery.

Again, those are just from memory. I'm not convinced on this theory either but it was a very interesting read.

 

[zinfamous]

:awe:

 

[MotF Bane]

The first peoples of North America simply had no need for metallurgical mining once they discovered that all their needs could be met through the mining of nitrous-calc-silicate, Ca-Si-N-O, ore bodies.

:whiste:

 

[IronWing]

:whiste:

Well, I could have used nobelium instead of nitrogen and oxygen but then I would have been too tempted to make another joke that probably would have gotten me a vacation as it involves a deplorable word.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

Adam and Eve 94BC
We are in 2012AC

2200 years roughly so who is talking shit and who say who is wrong?
Confuzzled

 

[IronWing]

Adam and Eve 94BC
We are in 2012AC

2200 years roughly so who is talking shit and who say who is wrong?
Confuzzled

Taking young earthism to new extremes are we?

Edit: Doesn't really matter. Real scientists don't talk in terms of BC and AD anymore. They use the BP designation for times in the past. BP meaning Before Packers.