Someone stole my pictures and used them on eBay!!

[Cattlegod]

<< copyright of me. >>



sorry man. just because you took them, doesn't mean you own copy rights to them. at least to my understanding that is how it works.

 

[zippy]

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<< copyright of me. >>



sorry man. just because you took them, doesn't mean you own copy rights to them. at least to my understanding that is how it works. >>

Yes it does. One can copyright any material (be it visual, textual, audio, whatever) that he/she made. Once something is made it is protected under the Copyright Law of 19xx. I forget what year it was in...my friend had to do some research on it though. That is why we have to quote things and cite things.

 

[perry]

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<< copyright of me. >>



sorry man. just because you took them, doesn't mean you own copy rights to them. at least to my understanding that is how it works. >>



You don't quite understand right. When someone publishes something (either in print or on the internet) the publisher automatically owns the copyright to the work. This isn't even fair use since the guy is using it to generate income.

 

[lepper boy]

if there copywrited does it say that on your web site?? Let's see your web site and proof of copywrite... Can you prove that you had ownership of the pictures BEFORE anyone else did??

and to quote someone else here......

we Do have bigger fish to fry..... so GET OVER IT!

 

[vegetation]

Just do what I do -- take poor quality pictures. Nobody will want to use them.

 

[perry]

<< if there copywrited does it say that on your web site?? >>



It doesn't need to say it on the website. It helps when trying to get certain legal judgements, but it is not necessary to own the copyright.

You may have bigger fish to fry, that's fine, go on your merry way and read other threads. The idea of these forums is to post things that are on your mind. Communication, the exchange of ideas.

It's actually an epidemic that has spread as the population of the internet has spread. People stealing images and text to use on their website without the permission of the owner of said images or text. You don't seem to understand the implications of not standing up for your property and protecting it.

If everyone was of the mindest of "if you don't want it stolen, don't place it on the Internet" then there would be almost nothing on the internet. People spend their time to share information and knowledge on ther Internet with the reasonable expection that what they publish is theirs.

I suggest all of you that think it's not a big deal to go out and write a best selling book and have it published under someone else's name. That someone else will get all the money and you will not recieve a dime. Then see how you like it. Same basic principle applies here, albeit on a lesser scale.

I may not have had a problem if the guy had just asked me for permission to use the images, but since he took it upon himself to outright steal them and claim them as his own (and attempt to profit from them) I have developed a problem.

 

[yoda291]

ok...but if you don't have it explicitly stated on your site that the picture has been copyrighted and is your property, then how the hell is this guy supposed to know you don't want it stolen? I mean, for all he knows, you coulda stolen the pic off of someone else's site and they stole it from someone else. Especially if it's a really good picture, it coulda come from a site that gives instructions on how to duplicate it and, for all we know, that site might not care or might actually promote taking pics off.

Granted, I can understand that you'd be a bit agitated as you went to the trouble of taking the picture with a 1200 dollar digital camera and uploaded it in your own time only to have some schmuck come around, right click and save image it, but it happens. I may be wrong on many different levels, but it's kind of an accepted standard. It's like jaywalking...there's a hefty fine for jaywalkin. It's relatively harmless, but illegal nonetheless, but do cops hunt down and prosecute jaywalkers? Only when they want to ruin someone's day or an individual agitates them, but not on a regular basis.

As far as the epidemic of people yanking stuff off of the web, that's kind of inherent in the web. It was designed so anyone could view your information and documents and make copies and proliferate them. If this is really bothering you, I suggest you come up with some hard evidence that you indeed took the pictures(kinda like your book example, I woulda usps'd myself a copy via registered mail) and send him an email politely asking that he take down the picture or you'll have to take some kind of action against him. Then, put a few lockdowns on your website that encrypts the source code and prevents right-clicking(The average joe will prolly be unable to rip images off, anandtechers on the other hand.... ) . If he doesn't... you could go for legal action, or you can be underhanded and tell the winner of the auction how to do this 2 dollar mod for the car. Heck, if you REALLY want to ruin this guys day, drop 2 bucks on the mesh, make another whatever it is, and send it to the winner of auction with a letter explaining what's goin on...prolly get the guy some negative feedback and he won't be able to duplicate the scam.

just my 2 cents.

 

[KK]

I can't believe this discussion, grant the person took the photo without permission, was there a copyright on it? No, you say. End of discussion. Next problem?

KK

 

[Soybomb]

<< ok...but if you don't have it explicitly stated on your site that the picture has been copyrighted and is your property, then how the hell is this guy supposed to know you don't want it stolen? I mean, for all he knows, you coulda stolen the pic off of someone else's site and they stole it from someone else. Especially if it's a really good picture, it coulda come from a site that gives instructions on how to duplicate it and, for all we know, that site might not care or might actually promote taking pics off. Granted, I can understand that you'd be a bit agitated as you went to the trouble of taking the picture with a 1200 dollar digital camera and uploaded it in your own time only to have some schmuck come around, right click and save image it, but it happens. I may be wrong on many different levels, but it's kind of an accepted standard. It's like jaywalking...there's a hefty fine for jaywalkin. It's relatively harmless, but illegal nonetheless, but do cops hunt down and prosecute jaywalkers? Only when they want to ruin someone's day or an individual agitates them, but not on a regular basis. As far as the epidemic of people yanking stuff off of the web, that's kind of inherent in the web. It was designed so anyone could view your information and documents and make copies and proliferate them. If this is really bothering you, I suggest you come up with some hard evidence that you indeed took the pictures(kinda like your book example, I woulda usps'd myself a copy via registered mail) and send him an email politely asking that he take down the picture or you'll have to take some kind of action against him. Then, put a few lockdowns on your website that encrypts the source code and prevents right-clicking(The average joe will prolly be unable to rip images off, anandtechers on the other hand.... ) . If he doesn't... you could go for legal action, or you can be underhanded and tell the winner of the auction how to do this 2 dollar mod for the car. Heck, if you REALLY want to ruin this guys day, drop 2 bucks on the mesh, make another whatever it is, and send it to the winner of auction with a letter explaining what's goin on...prolly get the guy some negative feedback and he won't be able to duplicate the scam. just my 2 cents. >>



He doesn't need to include any sort of wartermarking or copyright notice on this site though, both you and KK seem to think that for some reason he does. If you want to use an image (or anything for that matter) off someone elses website, you need to ask for their permission first, unless its specifically said to be a public domain, etc image. Anything else is just ignorance of copyright laws and not a legally defendable position. Any intellectual property you create is copyrighted from the moment you create it unless you specifically release your rights. Proving that it belongs to you can sometimes be difficult, but its the legally correct position.

Finally I have no idea what you're talking about when you say "encrypt the source code" of the webpage. You know browsers need to be able to read that to display the page right? Its not an exe file we're talking about here.

 

[perry]

<< or you can be underhanded and tell the winner of the auction how to do this 2 dollar mod for the car. Heck, if you REALLY want to ruin this guys day, drop 2 bucks on the mesh, make another whatever it is, and send it to the winner of auction with a letter explaining what's goin on...prolly get the guy some negative feedback and he won't be able to duplicate the scam.
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Gathering email address and sending out a mail to all the bidders on his auctions telling them how to make the thing for themselves for less than $5.... Gunna be funny when he winds up with a bunch of retracted bids tomorrow...

 

[KK]

What's says that perry didn't take this picture from someone's else website? How does this guy know that? Why would he ask for permisssion if he doesn't know if the picture is perrys?

KK

 

[KK]

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<< or you can be underhanded and tell the winner of the auction how to do this 2 dollar mod for the car. Heck, if you REALLY want to ruin this guys day, drop 2 bucks on the mesh, make another whatever it is, and send it to the winner of auction with a letter explaining what's goin on...prolly get the guy some negative feedback and he won't be able to duplicate the scam.
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Gathering email address and sending out a mail to all the bidders on his auctions telling them how to make the thing for themselves for less than $5.... Gunna be funny when he winds up with a bunch of retracted bids tomorrow... >>



Well, that'd work at p1ssing him off. Anyways what kind of mesh grill is this, what's it on?

KK

 

[veryape]

Jesus,get a life. Have you nothing better to do then harass this poor guy? I'll bet you don't have many friends with that attitude.

 

[Soybomb]

<< What's says that perry didn't take this picture from someone's else website? How does this guy know that? Why would he ask for permisssion if he doesn't know if the picture is perrys?KK >>


Legally? If perry didn't take measures before hand, nothing. Christ do people not have ethics and morals anymore though? If he didn't take those images he should have asked for permission before using them, not assumed they were stolen already. Thats a ridiculous assumption. Can I reprint an article from the front page of the NY Times just because I'm not positive they didn't steal it from somewhere else? Of course not, you might try to justify it to yourself like that, but you know good and well that chances are quite high those images are his own.

veryape: Damn man I hope you won't feel its necessary to stand up for yourself when someone steals your work that you put your time, money, and engery in to.

 

[perry]

<< Well, that'd work at p1ssing him off. Anyways what kind of mesh grill is this, what's it on?
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It's on a Ford Contour, but he is selling them for a multitude of cars, most of them using the same picture of an Integra or something.

He doesn't now that it's not mine, which is why he writes and asks for permission to use it. If I have permission from somone else to use it, then I pass along the owner's contact information so that he can obtain permission from the owner. No matter who the copyright owner is, you cannot go along taking other people's property.



<< Jesus,get a life. Have you nothing better to do then harass this poor guy? I'll bet you don't have many friends with that attitude. >>



He obviously has nothing better to do than steal from me. So at 2am, I have nothing better to do than protecting my property. If I can spend 5 minutes, when I have nothing better to do, protecting my property (that's about how long it took me to email the 10 or 11 bidders on his auctions) then it's worth it to me.

edit: so it's not so inflamatory... I shouldn't sink as low as others.

 

[SUBxWRX]

I personally think that when someone steals one of my pictures....it is an honor because someone wants to jock my style =).....steal on

 

[Bleep]

Something needs clearing up here. You do not have to publish to own the copyrite. Anything you create is automatically copyrighted to the creator.
If a person takes a photo of a person, place or thing he owns the copyrite unless it has already been copyrighted, very simple just look at the law.
Bleep

 

[Maetryx]

C-O-P-Y-R-I-G-H-T

There's like 6 different spellings in here.

 

[zippy]

<< Something needs clearing up here. You do not have to publish to own the copyrite. Anything you create is automatically copyrighted to the creator.
If a person takes a photo of a person, place or thing he owns the copyrite unless it has already been copyrighted, very simple just look at the law.
Bleep >>

Exactly.

 

[slag]

umm, deal with the fact that it happens and move on. As you said, the grills only cost $2.00 to make. Its not like he is stealing plans to make a 4 million dollar super conductor. He is using a picture of a generic car to show what the product looks like
It happens to me all the time. At first I was mad about it, but after thinking about it, it really doesnt affect me at all.

Get over it and move on.

 

[JetsFanatic]

Report him to eBay and let them follow through

 

[bandXtrb]

He is a copyright infringer, report him.

By the way, a person who uses images that are on ther server of others is called a "bandwith theif," and that is a big no-no.

 

[C'DaleRider]

What I find interesting in all this is.......these are the same complaints Metallica, et al, have had about the use of Napster and their ilk. Interesting to me that most people around here don't see anything wrong in freely downloading music off the web knowing they should be paying for it, yet when a photo is lifted much in the same way, the sudden morality that is spawned about copyright infringement is amazing........and I'd hazard a guess that most that are up in arms about the photo have a few questionable mp3s on their HD.

 

[lo5750ul]

Although this is a little off the original topic, I would like to clarify for all the thieves and immoral people in here that theft is wrong, both mortally and legally. There is no justification for stealing something because you can or because you can not afford to buy it legally.

As far as copyright law is concerned I suggest all those who think that you have a right to take anything that you see posted on the World Wide Web take a look here.

BTW, you will find that most content owners on the internet will allow you to freely use their copyright material if you ask them for permission. They will usually just ask you to show their copyright when you reproduce their content.

 

[slag]

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By the way, a person who uses images that are on ther server of others is called a "bandwith theif," and that is a big no-no. >>



?? Reread the entire lists of posts. He did not link to this guys images.. He copied them to another server and linked to those.

LOL.

Joe