someone explain to me why I should have to pay for people who

[zixxer]

someone explain to me why I should have to pay for people who won't go get a job.


I understand that no.. you can't get another 80k a year job when laid off from your internet-bubble company...

how about sears? best buy? no it's not a job you LOVE, yes you ill only be making 20k-40k a year, but stop b!tching and deal.



IMO, there is NO excuse for not having a job, other than being fscking lazy.

 

[Miramonti]

Originally posted by: armatron
someone explain to me why I should have to pay for people who won't go get a job.


I understand that no.. you can't get another 80k a year job when laid off from your internet-bubble company...

how about sears? best buy? no it's not a job you LOVE, yes you ill only be making 20k-40k a year, but stop b!tching and deal.



IMO, there is NO excuse for not having a job, other than being fscking lazy.

Skilled labor is critical for an economy to grow. If everyone 'changed careers' at the drop of a hat to work at best buy or similar so that people with opinions like yours would be appeased, the nations economy and every sector infrastructure would absolutely collapse and our gdp would become a third world cesspool, so stfu and pay your taxes.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: armatron
someone explain to me why I should have to pay for people who won't go get a job.


I understand that no.. you can't get another 80k a year job when laid off from your internet-bubble company...

how about sears? best buy? no it's not a job you LOVE, yes you ill only be making 20k-40k a year, but stop b!tching and deal.



IMO, there is NO excuse for not having a job, other than being fscking lazy.

Perhaps because they paid into SS and paid into the tax system while they had a job. Now lets talk about limiting the time they can be without work and get paid. Interesting fact: SS pays durg addicts to survive. About $750 per month is the figure I have seen. How come that?

 

[halik]

mostly because if you accept a lower paying job, your next job after that will offer you less than what you had before taking the crappy job (you've shown you would take less)

 

[WooDaddy]

A responsible adult will do what is necessary to maintain a stable household. They understand deferred gratification and will hold out for the big win at the end. Layoffs, firings, etc change the standard of living. People who choose not to work and have no means of self sustanance tend to be nuisances to society. If I were to lose my nicely paying job and could not find one prior to my savings being nearly exhausted, I would reduce my temporary standard of living so that I can survive. I would not consider it a career change. A career change is a WILLING change to a different field. Having to take on another job out of necessity is not a career change; it is a career hiatus.

As far as a job offering less than your last, this is a reality for this main reason. Your original job was probably paying you too much in the first place. Your job became redundant meaning the value was less than the cost (your paycheck). Taking a paycut is a part of life.

The real question is this: If you like your career, then paycuts shouldn't matter. You will adjust your standard of living accordingly and not have a problem because your satification in your career is high enough for the money not to matter. If I took a 20% cut, I would still work because I love what I do. If the money is that much of an issue and the cuts are an industry wide move, then I'd make a career change.

But getting back to the OP, I have a friend who is doing that and it IRRITATES ME TO HELL. Not having a job at all looks worse than taking a job at best buy on a resume. If I had to make a decision between two people who had same years of experience but experienced layoffs, I'd take the person who worked (or was at least in school) over the unemployed one. He/she is a more responsible person that the other.

And yes, there is no excuse for not having a job, unless you are severly handicapped.

 

[slurmsmackenzie]

Originally posted by: armatron
someone explain to me why I should have to pay for people who won't go get a job.


I understand that no.. you can't get another 80k a year job when laid off from your internet-bubble company...

how about sears? best buy? no it's not a job you LOVE, yes you ill only be making 20k-40k a year, but stop b!tching and deal.



IMO, there is NO excuse for not having a job, other than being fscking lazy.

or they could get in a time machine and go back to the 60's when 20k a year could support a family.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: armatron
someone explain to me why I should have to pay for people who won't go get a job.


I understand that no.. you can't get another 80k a year job when laid off from your internet-bubble company...

how about sears? best buy? no it's not a job you LOVE, yes you ill only be making 20k-40k a year, but stop b!tching and deal.



IMO, there is NO excuse for not having a job, other than being fscking lazy.

Would someone explain to me why I have to pay taxes into the federal tax redistribution program?

Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: armatron
someone explain to me why I should have to pay for people who won't go get a job.


I understand that no.. you can't get another 80k a year job when laid off from your internet-bubble company...

how about sears? best buy? no it's not a job you LOVE, yes you ill only be making 20k-40k a year, but stop b!tching and deal.



IMO, there is NO excuse for not having a job, other than being fscking lazy.

Would someone explain to me why I have to pay taxes into the federal tax redistribution program?

Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed

Oh oh uh, we guv ya fud!

 

[RobCur]

what is their to explain? most people are not lazy, its the one who is controlling them that is lazy. what do they do? bitch at someone else who does the dirty work for them and complain they don't work hard enough!
doesnt that tick you off that someone is using us as a tool to make them rich??? while you get the crums, or left over just barely enough to support your own life.
1. you have somone with a brain who does no work, just shuffling money around is all and keep most of it for themselves.
2. you have most people working just to meet ends need, anytime they are jobless they are screwed and become homeless.
Taxes is like rebates, a scam that launders money out of the public's fund into their account.

@_@

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: armatron
someone explain to me why I should have to pay for people who won't go get a job.


I understand that no.. you can't get another 80k a year job when laid off from your internet-bubble company...

how about sears? best buy? no it's not a job you LOVE, yes you ill only be making 20k-40k a year, but stop b!tching and deal.



IMO, there is NO excuse for not having a job, other than being fscking lazy.

what if their are no jobs to be had?

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: armatron
someone explain to me why I should have to pay for people who won't go get a job.


I understand that no.. you can't get another 80k a year job when laid off from your internet-bubble company...

how about sears? best buy? no it's not a job you LOVE, yes you ill only be making 20k-40k a year, but stop b!tching and deal.



IMO, there is NO excuse for not having a job, other than being fscking lazy.

Would someone explain to me why I have to pay taxes into the federal tax redistribution program?

Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed

Must be all those welfare queens out on the farms. We know all the urbanites are fabulously wealthy.

 

[Jack Ryan]

Originally posted by: jjsole

Originally posted by: armatron
someone explain to me why I should have to pay for people who won't go get a job.


I understand that no.. you can't get another 80k a year job when laid off from your internet-bubble company...

how about sears? best buy? no it's not a job you LOVE, yes you ill only be making 20k-40k a year, but stop b!tching and deal.



IMO, there is NO excuse for not having a job, other than being fscking lazy.

Skilled labor is critical for an economy to grow. If everyone 'changed careers' at the drop of a hat to work at best buy or similar so that people with opinions like yours would be appeased, the nations economy and every sector infrastructure would absolutely collapse and our gdp would become a third world cesspool, so stfu and pay your taxes.

That may be the dumbest thing I have ever read.

 

[Tom]

Are you asking why there is unemployment insurance ?

If so, then the reason it exists is the same reason why there are other kinds of insurance. There is general agreement that some level of reliability and order in a society is good for that society and it's members. Insurance is one way for a society to enhance reliablity and order in a universe that on a micro scale is chaotic and unpredictable in it's nature.

This applies not only to natural events, but also complex interactions between people, like an economic system.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: armatron
someone explain to me why I should have to pay for people who won't go get a job.


I understand that no.. you can't get another 80k a year job when laid off from your internet-bubble company...

how about sears? best buy? no it's not a job you LOVE, yes you ill only be making 20k-40k a year, but stop b!tching and deal.



IMO, there is NO excuse for not having a job, other than being fscking lazy.

Would someone explain to me why I have to pay taxes into the federal tax redistribution program?

Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed

Must be all those welfare queens out on the farms. We know all the urbanites are fabulously wealthy.

Obviously wealthy enough to support the federal tax redistribution welfare program.

PS Welfare has been reformed. No more of your mythical welfare queens living on the federal dole. Now it's the red states collecting welfare.

 

[SuperTool]

Why should I have to pay to send other people's kids to school? They have the kids, let them shell out $5K/year to educate them.
Why should I subsidize someone's mortgage with a tax break? Nobody forced them to buy a house, they shouldn't expect a tax break for that.

 

[SuperTool]

But the real reason you should have to pay is that our elected representatives enacted those laws, and our elected presidents signed them. If you don't like it, vote for someone else.

 

[piasabird]

I thought the article was too simplistic. You have to also realize what the cost of living and the average income is in each state to have any real comparison. The amount of support often has to do with distribution of large employers in certain states and in certain geographical areas.

Another thing is where are the largest cities located and what is the population of each state.

Another factor might be the amount of undocumented foreign workers.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: piasabird
I thought the article was too simplistic. You have to also realize what the cost of living and the average income is in each state to have any real comparison. The amount of support often has to do with distribution of large employers in certain states and in certain geographical areas.

Another thing is where are the largest cities located and what is the population of each state.

Another factor might be the amount of undocumented foreign workers.

The numbers don't lie. States are receiving more in federal tax dollars than they are putting while other states are getting back far less than they contribute. Period. Nothing to do with illegals, employers, size of cities and population, cost of living (which is BTW higher in the states contributing more than they receive), it is welfare plain and simple. We pay in more than we get back. The excess is going to states who pay in less than they receive.

 

[SuperTool]

Yeah, the red states are on blue State welfare. But they think it's the other way around, cus they've been brainwashed.
Did you know we the federal taxpayers are building an indoor rainforrest in Cad's own state of Iowa? Indoor rainforrest! In Iowa!

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: armatron
someone explain to me why I should have to pay for people who won't go get a job.


I understand that no.. you can't get another 80k a year job when laid off from your internet-bubble company...

how about sears? best buy? no it's not a job you LOVE, yes you ill only be making 20k-40k a year, but stop b!tching and deal.



IMO, there is NO excuse for not having a job, other than being fscking lazy.

Would someone explain to me why I have to pay taxes into the federal tax redistribution program?

Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed

Must be all those welfare queens out on the farms. We know all the urbanites are fabulously wealthy.

Obviously wealthy enough to support the federal tax redistribution welfare program.

PS Welfare has been reformed. No more of your mythical welfare queens living on the federal dole. Now it's the red states collecting welfare.

My comment about welfare was sarcasm.

I do hope you know this "redistribution," as you like to spin it, really has very little to actually do with welfare or any kind of entitlements.

Edit: Upon reading your subsequent reply, apparently you don't realize that. How sad.

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: armatron
someone explain to me why I should have to pay for people who won't go get a job.


I understand that no.. you can't get another 80k a year job when laid off from your internet-bubble company...

how about sears? best buy? no it's not a job you LOVE, yes you ill only be making 20k-40k a year, but stop b!tching and deal.



IMO, there is NO excuse for not having a job, other than being fscking lazy.

Would someone explain to me why I have to pay taxes into the federal tax redistribution program?

Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed

Must be all those welfare queens out on the farms. We know all the urbanites are fabulously wealthy.

Obviously wealthy enough to support the federal tax redistribution welfare program.

PS Welfare has been reformed. No more of your mythical welfare queens living on the federal dole. Now it's the red states collecting welfare.

My comment about welfare was sarcasm.

I do hope you know this "redistribution," as you like to spin it, really has very little to actually do with welfare or any kind of entitlements.

Edit: Upon reading your subsequent reply, apparently you don't realize that. How sad.

When the tax redistribution is going to poor people it's welfare. When it's going to poor states it's welfare. Period. It's taking money from one taxpayer and handing it to another. Welfare.

 

[zixxer]

Are you guys kidding me?

1) mostly because if you accept a lower paying job, your next job after that will offer you less than what you had before taking the crappy job (you've shown you would take less)

That's the dumbest fscking thing I think I'ver ever read on this forum. If you have NO job, and are on welfare, you GET A FSCKING JOB. As an employer, I'd rather see someone who got laid off, was out of work for a month, then went to best buy/sears wherever; than someone who sat on their arse for 9 months.


2) or they could get in a time machine and go back to the 60's when 20k a year could support a family.

20k CAN support a family. Don't go knocking your wife up 5 times, and trying to buy a brand new truck with 22 inch wheels, and you WILL survive. Again, 20k compared to? Oh wait. Welfare gives them the incentive to NOT get a job.


3)what if their are no jobs to be had?

There ARE jobs to be had. Show me one best buy that won't hire someone, even with no skills. How about sears? publix? There might not be 80k a YEAR jobs, but there ARE jobs.


4) Why should I have to pay to send other people's kids to school? They have the kids, let them shell out $5K/year to educate them.
Why should I subsidize someone's mortgage with a tax break? Nobody forced them to buy a house, they shouldn't expect a tax break for that.

Because you aren't paying for a lazy fscking bum to sit around on their arse all day. Totally different situation. The house/mortgage.. again, same thing. Totally different situation. Also, chances are, that money WILL come back to you in some form.

 

[TastesLikeChicken]

Originally posted by: BBond
When the tax redistribution is going to poor people it's welfare. When it's going to poor states it's welfare. Period. It's taking money from one taxpayer and handing it to another. Welfare.

Except it's not redistibution going to poor people. Maybe instead of making sweping assumptions you should actually look into the link? It's a breakdown of federal spending - which includes government salaries, highways and infastructure, military and defense spending, etc.

But hey, why pay attention to the actual facts of the situation when you can smack that red herring all around?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: armatron
someone explain to me why I should have to pay for people who won't go get a job.


I understand that no.. you can't get another 80k a year job when laid off from your internet-bubble company...

how about sears? best buy? no it's not a job you LOVE, yes you ill only be making 20k-40k a year, but stop b!tching and deal.



IMO, there is NO excuse for not having a job, other than being fscking lazy.

Aren't you basing this on the idea that everyone who's out of work is out of work because they WON'T get another job? You seem to have this mistaken belief that there is an unlimited number of jobs on the lower level to compensate for losses on the higher level. Never mind the problem that Sears and Best Buy would much rather higher some dumb highschooler than a former programmer who will want health care for him and his family and be harder to fvck with.

Really, your idea seems to be that everyone who's out of work can get a job that will support them (and their family). I haven't seen a lot to suggest this is true.

 

[zixxer]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: armatron
someone explain to me why I should have to pay for people who won't go get a job.


I understand that no.. you can't get another 80k a year job when laid off from your internet-bubble company...

how about sears? best buy? no it's not a job you LOVE, yes you ill only be making 20k-40k a year, but stop b!tching and deal.



IMO, there is NO excuse for not having a job, other than being fscking lazy.

Aren't you basing this on the idea that everyone who's out of work is out of work because they WON'T get another job? You seem to have this mistaken belief that there is an unlimited number of jobs on the lower level to compensate for losses on the higher level. Never mind the problem that Sears and Best Buy would much rather higher some dumb highschooler than a former programmer who will want health care for him and his family and be harder to fvck with.

Really, your idea seems to be that everyone who's out of work can get a job that will support them (and their family). I haven't seen a lot to suggest this is true.

In general I am not talking about upper class people. I'm talking middle and down.

When I drive by the trailer park full of brand new f-150's, lexus's, mustangs, corvettes, and see 100 little kids running around and ADULTS (18yo-25yo) playing basketball.. and they're there at lunch.. same people.. in the afternoon on the way home?

guess who's paying for that?

EDIT:
also, They will get hired; they just don't want to.

healthcare? They don't have healthcare if they don't have a job in the first place