Someone explain Interstellar

[StrangerGuy]

It was just a stupid movie. No reason to try to understand stupid.

Yup. There's nothing wrong with science fiction paying lip service to the actual science but entertaining when done well, but this one fail miserably because it's horribly written and pretending to be intelligent.

 

[CZroe]

The advanced future selves were probably descendants from the seeds Dr Brand is able to cultivate. Remember she and Cooper part ways at the end of the movie. Brand goes to Dr Mann's planet, and Cooper continues on to the Black Hole.

No. She goes to the planet where the guy she was in love with had died in a rock slide. They only went to Mann's planet because he lied/faked the data. They had an argument about it before going to Mann's planet specifically because they wouldn't have enough fuel to get everyone to the other planet. The black hole sacrifice is what allowed her to get there anyway.

After solving antigravity with the black hole data, all of Earth's remaining humanity were on their way so there is no reason to assume that Brand and Plan B were the exclusive ancestors of the 5th dimensional beings.

Also, they didn't "part ways" at the end. The movie ended with Murph telling Cooper to "go to her" and Cooper taking a ship to do just that. The final scene shows him arriving where Brand is set up.

Edit: OK, it seems like you are trying to explain the causality issues. In one timeline, he never made it back and the descendants of Plan B survived to become 5th dimensional beings. Those beings felt bad about the sacrifice of all the others and decided to change the past. It still doesn't explain how they would have gotten there without the wormhole provided by the 5th dimensional beings.

 

[Gunbuster]

Entire plot is based around the need to "crack the gravity equation" so they can boost habitats into space. (instead of building them on earth) Then goes on to show they have a Chevy escalade size lander that can go SSTO on a supergravity planet. ¯\_(&#12484😉_/¯

Don't try to figure it out, and best you take your disbelief, suspend it, and lock it in a storage unit 100 miles away.

 

[CZroe]

Entire plot is based around the need to "crack the gravity equation" so they can boost habitats into space. (instead of building them on earth) Then goes on to show they have a Chevy escalade size lander that can go SSTO on a supergravity planet.

Don't try to figure it out, and best you take your disbelief, suspend it, and lock it in a storage unit 100 miles away.

Ichinisan complains every time I mention that. Some of those planets had 30% more pull than Earth. On Miller's Planet they also had to escape Gargantua's pull to rendezvous and move on to Mann's Planet.

It's hard not to notice the contradiction when they used what looked like a freakin' multi-stage Saturn V to get off of Earth and then proceed to trivially land and leave Earth-like planets using nothing but the combustible fuel they brought with them (didn't even have multiple stages).

Even so, I accept it as necessary for the story, though they could have tried to imply some new technology that makes it possible or implied that their precursors had been creating and storing fuel since their arrival years ago.

I happen to think it was the biggest faux pas in the movie... beside the stupid "love is a scientific force that transcends time" BS.

 

[Jeff7]

Entire plot is based around the need to "crack the gravity equation" so they can boost habitats into space. (instead of building them on earth) Then goes on to show they have a Chevy escalade size lander that can go SSTO on a supergravity planet. ¯\_(&#12484😉_/¯

Don't try to figure it out, and best you take your disbelief, suspend it, and lock it in a storage unit 100 miles away.

The special SSTO vehicle uses Deus Ex Machina brand fuel, which is really expensive and difficult to make.

 

[randay]

The special SSTO vehicle uses Deus Ex Machina brand fuel, which is really expensive and difficult to make.

its got what plan(e)ts need, its got electrolytes

 

[JimKiler]

Time Travel aside, my biggest hangup is that Matt Mcconaughey does not want himself to go interspace but yet in communicating to his daughter he forgets that it failed to stop him from going in the first place.

My second favorite honest trailer is for this movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZMzf-SDWP8

(Mad Max Fury Road is my top honest trailer in case you cared)

 

[Bart*Simpson]

Despite them being uninterested in space exploration and believing the moon landings to be myth

I did enjoy the dig at the public school retaliating against the little girl who insisted the moon landings were real despite the asshole teacher's ignorant opinion that they weren't.

Seems to illustrate the fact that government-controlled education is also government-controlled propaganda. And if they say a lie is the truth then you'll get in trouble for calling the lie a lie.

 

[John Connor]

Time Travel aside, my biggest hangup is that Matt Mcconaughey does not want himself to go interspace but yet in communicating to his daughter he forgets that it failed to stop him from going in the first place.

My second favorite honest trailer is for this movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZMzf-SDWP8

(Mad Max Fury Road is my top honest trailer in case you cared)

LMAO! I should have watched that instead of what seemed like a three hour movie! :thumbsup:

 

[John Connor]

I did enjoy the dig at the public school retaliating against the little girl who insisted the moon landings were real despite the asshole teacher's ignorant opinion that they weren't.

Seems to illustrate the fact that government-controlled education is also government-controlled propaganda. And if they say a lie is the truth then you'll get in trouble for calling the lie a lie.

Read sig. 😉

 

[MongGrel]

LMAO! I should have watched that instead of what seemed like a three hour movie! :thumbsup:

You're one of the most clueless posters on the forums that do not even realize the fact that I've ever seen.

That in itself is a bit entertaining I guess.

 

[Jeff7]

I did enjoy the dig at the public school retaliating against the little girl who insisted the moon landings were real despite the asshole teacher's ignorant opinion that they weren't.

Seems to illustrate the fact that government-controlled education is also government-controlled propaganda. And if they say a lie is the truth then you'll get in trouble for calling the lie a lie.

Education from any source is subject to bias.
Government, private sector, whoever, anyone can potentially have an agenda of some sort.

 

[JimKiler]

You're one of the most clueless posters on the forums that do not even realize the fact that I've ever seen.

That in itself is a bit entertaining I guess.

can you translate what you are trying to say...you lost me on this post.

 

[Muse]

The special SSTO vehicle uses Deus Ex Machina brand fuel, which is really expensive and difficult to make.

And can blow up in your face if you aren't careful! A big part of the cost, of course, is any reasonable semblance of credulity. I still really like The Martian! 😎

Decades ago I wrote a short story about an interstellar expedition in which the voyagers return to earth after having aged considerably less than earth's inhabitants. I should find that, maybe I can write a decent screenplay based on it. I was aiming for credulity. Of course, I don't have a design for a propulsion system intense enough to take advantage of relativistic time differential. That's just an assumed given in my story. The Martian has no such flaw. I was in awe of that book and am totally incapable of creating anything that compares to it. Well, I'm not a space travel freak like Andy Weir.

 

[Jeff7]

And can blow up in your face if you aren't careful! A big part of the cost, of course, is any reasonable semblance of credulity. I still really like The Martian! 😎

Decades ago I wrote a short story about an interstellar expedition in which the voyagers return to earth after having aged considerably less than earth's inhabitants. I should find that, maybe I can write a decent screenplay based on it. I was aiming for credulity. Of course, I don't have a design for a propulsion system intense enough to take advantage of relativistic time differential. That's just an assumed given in my story. The Martian has no such flaw. I was in awe of that book and am totally incapable of creating anything that compares to it. Well, I'm not a space travel freak like Andy Weir.

Star Wars vs Star Trek.
In Star Wars, "engines" and "hyperdrive" made people go from one place to another. They weren't really used in the story, except when the hyperdrive needed to break.
In Star Trek, they spend more time getting into the hardware behind the engines, and the weird things they can do.

So your interstellar travelers could have also used "engines" to make them go fast. 😛

I guess if they're not really mentioned at all, it's not as big of a problem. You assume the subsystem is present and it works well; the rest of the story is the focus, not the technology.

But if a writer mentions the engines a lot and throws a lot of what is essentially magic into it, or else random terms that only sound like they belong there, that's where things fall apart. ("If they did go into light Even traversing a tiny galaxy at light speed would take many many years. Saying "hyperspeed" or "hyperdrive" would have alleviated the major gripe from that line. I guess if you're Lucas or a Hollywood writer, light is "really fast" and space is "a little on the big side," and math is hard)

 

[vi edit]

Mostly I despise the time travel card in science fiction, with few exceptions. The Terminator movies are good and Back to the Future worked, but it's so easy to make a bad movie playing that card and I think they did here, disastrously. And I thought the ending was just plain boring, really the ultimate sin in a movie.

Yeah I'm not a fan of time travel movies, or movies that have a high vestment in mind control. There's really no limits to how those can be used/limited and you end up with some overpowered plot or character that is cracked/crumbled by lame/cheesy reason.

They are like the "Could God build a rock so big that God couldn't even move it" argument.

 

[blankslate]

It was all a dream that's why they had the top spinning at the end...


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[JimKiler]

And can blow up in your face if you aren't careful! A big part of the cost, of course, is any reasonable semblance of credulity. I still really like The Martian! 😎

Decades ago I wrote a short story about an interstellar expedition in which the voyagers return to earth after having aged considerably less than earth's inhabitants. I should find that, maybe I can write a decent screenplay based on it. I was aiming for credulity. Of course, I don't have a design for a propulsion system intense enough to take advantage of relativistic time differential. That's just an assumed given in my story. The Martian has no such flaw. I was in awe of that book and am totally incapable of creating anything that compares to it. Well, I'm not a space travel freak like Andy Weir.

Here is a podcast of a really good script about with the same concept:

http://blacklist.wolfpop.com/audio/40147/celeritas

Season 2 of the new and improved The Black List Table Reads with Franklin Leonard continues this week with the Sci-Fi/Drama earmovie Celeritas by screenwriter Kimberly Barrante. When a missing astronaut crash lands forty years after he launched having not aged a day, his elderly twin brother helps him escape the NASA scientists hunting him. As the government closes in, neither brother is who they claim to be. Our presentation stars Jake Abel, Justin Chatwin, Alexandra Daddario, Christine Estabrook, Matthew Del Negro, Kevin Weisman, Adam Grimes, Jose Pablo Cantillo, Matthew Jaeger, and Cooper Thornton.

 

[CZroe]

You asked for it OP:
"Someone" explains Interstellar.

Interstellar explained by... someone.

 

[dighn]

Yup. There's nothing wrong with science fiction paying lip service to the actual science but entertaining when done well, but this one fail miserably because it's horribly written and pretending to be intelligent.

I was happy that it at least pretended; even that's rare in sci-fi these days.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

http://youtu.be/TqiZnHRuQ7E

Interstellar explained by... someone.

This is fantastic!