Somebody forgot to tell Joe this wasn't a town hall

MovingTarget

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Nice lack of decorum that congressman has, hmmm.. Yelling/shouting is NOT debate, and it is certainly not acceptable during a speech.
 

umbrella39

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This is not the GOP it once used to be. The party has been hijacked by lunatics hell bent on never gaining power again. :thumbsdown:
 

Drako

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Some people have short memories. It was OK to heckle Bush, but it'snot OK to heckle Obama?
 

evident

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Originally posted by: Drako
Some people have short memories. It was OK to heckle Bush, but it'snot OK to heckle Obama?

who heckled bush during an official address to the congress, or state of the union?
 

GTKeeper

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Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: Drako
Some people have short memories. It was OK to heckle Bush, but it'snot OK to heckle Obama?

who heckled bush during an official address to the congress, or state of the union?

Wait wait, so its ok to embarrass myself because you embarrass yourself? WTF kind of logic is that?

Ronald Reagan is rolling over in his grave thats for F-ing sure.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Drako
Some people have short memories. It was OK to heckle Bush, but it'snot OK to heckle Obama?

Yeah how healthcare is being derailed is exactly how SS reform was derailed in 05. In this case a single house member heckled the president. In 05 State of the Union speech it was the entire democrat party throwing a temper tantrum. Death Panels are the new granny going to lose her retirment and be tossed out on the streets.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Drako
Some people have short memories. It was OK to heckle Bush, but it'snot OK to heckle Obama?

Oh yeah when Bush was again, baldface lying to the country about SS? Pft. :roll:
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32...ics-health_care_reform

Although he has already issued a contrite apology this is totally unacceptable behavior for a Congressman IMO. The Presidents opponents have lost all sense of decorum and decency.

Heck, Congressmembers have actually assaulted or killed people while in office (google Preston Brooks or Daniel Sickles), so don't get your panties in a wad over a simple outburst.

Yes, the outburst was dumb, inappropriate, and uncalled-for, but the guy apologized. Story is over, as far as I'm concerned.
 

evident

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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Dems booed Bush during State of Union Speech...

The hypocrisy from the left is very apparent...

You were saying? Oh wait...it's "patriotic" and "right" if liberals dissent and disrupt, but it's "obstructionism" or "inappropriate" if conservatives do.

okay, haven't boos and cheers of approval or disapproval always been part of those addresses? isn't that a little bit different then calling out the president and calling him a liar?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: Drako
Some people have short memories. It was OK to heckle Bush, but it'snot OK to heckle Obama?

Oh yeah when Bush was again, baldface lying to the country about SS? Pft. :roll:

I'd say his rhetoric was on par with the end of the world coming if we dont pass health reform right now.
 

evident

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32...ics-health_care_reform

Although he has already issued a contrite apology this is totally unacceptable behavior for a Congressman IMO. The Presidents opponents have lost all sense of decorum and decency.

Heck, Congressmembers have actually assaulted or killed people while in office (google Preston Brooks or Daniel Sickles), so don't get your panties in a wad over a simple outburst.

Yes, the outburst was dumb, inappropriate, and uncalled-for, but the guy apologized. Story is over, as far as I'm concerned.

same GOP formula of saying something outrageous / expressing false outrage then later retracting their statements.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Dems booed Bush during State of Union Speech...

The hypocrisy from the left is very apparent...

You were saying? Oh wait...it's "patriotic" and "right" if liberals dissent and disrupt, but it's "obstructionism" or "inappropriate" if conservatives do.

okay, haven't boos and cheers of approval or disapproval always been part of those addresses? isn't that a little bit different then calling out the president and calling him a liar?

:laugh:

Wow, the justification from the left is hilarious. So, it's okay for the Democrats to boo and heckle the President during a speech to Congress, but it's "completely unacceptable" for one Republican to call the President a liar during a speech to Congress?

Seriously, the left spins itself around so much...it is quite dizzying.

:roll:

Remember kids: "liberal dissent is patriotic, conservative dissent is obstructionism."

:disgust:

Edit: Fixed typo.
 

evident

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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Dems booed Bush during State of Union Speech...

The hypocrisy from the left is very apparent...

You were saying? Oh wait...it's "patriotic" and "right" if liberals dissent and disrupt, but it's "obstructionism" or "inappropriate" if conservatives do.

okay, haven't boos and cheers of approval or disapproval always been part of those addresses? isn't that a little bit different then calling out the president and calling him a liar?

:laugh:

Wow, the justification from the left is hilarious. So, it's pkay for the Democrats to boo and heckle the President during a speech to Congress, but it's "completely unacceptable" for one Republican to call the President a liar during a speech to Congress?

Seriously, the left spins itself around so much...it is quite dizzying.

:roll:

Remember kids: "liberal dissent is patriotic, conservative dissent is obstructionism."

:disgust:

dude, i am asking a legitimate question. has a president from either party ever been disrespectfully interrupted like this before? anytime i watch a speech it's just stops for applaud or polite boos.
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Dems booed Bush during State of Union Speech...

The hypocrisy from the left is very apparent...

You were saying? Oh wait...it's "patriotic" and "right" if liberals dissent and disrupt, but it's "obstructionism" or "inappropriate" if conservatives do.

okay, haven't boos and cheers of approval or disapproval always been part of those addresses? isn't that a little bit different then calling out the president and calling him a liar?

:laugh:

Wow, the justification from the left is hilarious. So, it's pkay for the Democrats to boo and heckle the President during a speech to Congress, but it's "completely unacceptable" for one Republican to call the President a liar during a speech to Congress?

Seriously, the left spins itself around so much...it is quite dizzying.

:roll:

Remember kids: "liberal dissent is patriotic, conservative dissent is obstructionism."

:disgust:

dude, i am asking a legitimate question. has a president from either party ever been disrespectfully interrupted like this before? anytime i watch a speech it's just stops for applaud or polite boos.

Originally posted by: evident
same GOP formula of saying something outrageous / expressing false outrage then later retracting their statements.

Somehow, I doubt you are actually asking a sincere and "legitimate" question, instead just trying to justify Democrats doing something then lambasting Republicans for doing something similar.
 

DealMonkey

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Fact-check, Joe you f'ing douchebag liar:

The statement:

Complaints that those in the United States illegally would get benefits under the health-care bill now before the House of Representatives have been a staple of the raucous public meetings some members of Congress have been hosting during their August break. At least two people raised the issue at a forum held by Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Maryland, on August 12, and Cardin's insistence that "Illegal aliens will not be in this bill ? period ? the end" was met with a round of jeers.

Facts and the Truth Squad verdict after the jump:


The facts:

The bill, HR 3200, would set up a health insurance "exchange," in which consumers could compare policies and choose a plan. It would create a government-run health plan to compete with private insurers in that exchange, and extend subsidies for coverage to people who aren't already covered by employers or federal programs like Medicare and Medicaid.

It specifically bars illegal immigrants from receiving those subsidies. Section 246, which is included in the part of the bill that sets up the exchange, forbids payments "on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States."

But when Cardin said undocumented workers "will not be in this bill," he appears to have missed one point: It may require them to buy their own coverage.

That's the conclusion of the Congressional Research Service, which issued a report on the topic this week. According to the CRS, noncitizens who can be considered "resident aliens" under U.S. tax law would have to buy insurance ? and unlike immigration laws, the tax code doesn't distinguish between legal and illegal immigrants.

"Thus, legal permanent residents, and noncitizens and unauthorized aliens who qualify as resident aliens ? would be required under H.R. 3200 to have health insurance," the new report states.

Critics say there is no way to enforce the ban on subsidies for undocumented workers, since the Democratic majority in the House turned back a Republican effort to explicitly stiffen citizenship checks. But Medicare and Medicaid already require those enrolled to provide "a substantial number of documents" to show they're U.S. citizens or legal residents, said Henrie Treadwell, a professor of community and preventive medicine at Atlanta's Morehouse University medical school.

Treadwell calls the issue a "red herring," since many of the estimated 10 million to 12 million illegal immigrants in the United States are getting treatment at emergency rooms already. Doctors are obligated to treat people who show up regardless of citizenship, and most of those costs are being absorbed by hospitals and state and local governments, Treadwell said.

"It is certainly not just something that disappears," she said. "We are paying now for care that is not preventive, and we are paying millions."

Some Republicans argue that the measure has left a loophole for undocumented relatives of legal residents to be covered. But Treadwell disputes that, telling CNN that based on her reading of the bills, "There is no loophole currently." The language in Section 242 of the House bill limits benefits to family members who are citizens or legal residents, she said.

In addition, a widely circulated e-mail critical of the bill states that a non-discrimination clause in Section 152 would require illegal immigrants to be covered by a public health insurance plan. But the first line of that provision forbids discrimination "except as otherwise explicitly permitted by this act."

The verdict:

False. A new report finds the bill could require illegal immigrants to buy coverage, but it clearly restricts subsidies to U.S. citizens and legal residents.


http://tinyurl.com/mmlnns

Get your facts straight before you open your mouth next time, Joe.
 

ayabe

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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Dems booed Bush during State of Union Speech...

The hypocrisy from the left is very apparent...

You were saying? Oh wait...it's "patriotic" and "right" if liberals dissent and disrupt, but it's "obstructionism" or "inappropriate" if conservatives do.

okay, haven't boos and cheers of approval or disapproval always been part of those addresses? isn't that a little bit different then calling out the president and calling him a liar?

:laugh:

Wow, the justification from the left is hilarious. So, it's pkay for the Democrats to boo and heckle the President during a speech to Congress, but it's "completely unacceptable" for one Republican to call the President a liar during a speech to Congress?

Seriously, the left spins itself around so much...it is quite dizzying.

:roll:

Remember kids: "liberal dissent is patriotic, conservative dissent is obstructionism."

:disgust:

No, your moral equivalency is hillarious. Unprecedented.
 

evident

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Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Originally posted by: evident
Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
Dems booed Bush during State of Union Speech...

The hypocrisy from the left is very apparent...

You were saying? Oh wait...it's "patriotic" and "right" if liberals dissent and disrupt, but it's "obstructionism" or "inappropriate" if conservatives do.

okay, haven't boos and cheers of approval or disapproval always been part of those addresses? isn't that a little bit different then calling out the president and calling him a liar?

:laugh:

Wow, the justification from the left is hilarious. So, it's pkay for the Democrats to boo and heckle the President during a speech to Congress, but it's "completely unacceptable" for one Republican to call the President a liar during a speech to Congress?

Seriously, the left spins itself around so much...it is quite dizzying.

:roll:

Remember kids: "liberal dissent is patriotic, conservative dissent is obstructionism."

:disgust:

dude, i am asking a legitimate question. has a president from either party ever been disrespectfully interrupted like this before? anytime i watch a speech it's just stops for applaud or polite boos.

Originally posted by: evident
same GOP formula of saying something outrageous / expressing false outrage then later retracting their statements.

Somehow, I doubt you are actually asking a sincere and "legitimate" question, instead just trying to justify Democrats doing something then lambasting Republicans for doing something similar.

you didn't answer my question. i'm not trying to justify anything.
 

fskimospy

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There are applause lines that frequently have elicited boos or cheers during speeches like this. There's almost no precedent for members of Congress pulling something like this, certainly not recently. It's hardly a huge deal, but it will hurt the GOP as it plays into the Democrats' strategy of painting them as being crazed and blinded by hatred of Obama.
 

Mursilis

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Originally posted by: evident
dude, i am asking a legitimate question. has a president from either party ever been disrespectfully interrupted like this before? anytime i watch a speech it's just stops for applaud or polite boos.

Speaking only for myself of course, booing is about as inappropriate as a brief outburst in this situation. No member of Congress has to agree with the Pres. all the time - that's just obvious - but at least respect the office. If you don't like what's being said, then don't applaud (silence says a lot) and issue a well-reasoned rebuttal statement afterward. Booing is fine at a sporting event (and should be legally required anytime the Dallas Cowboys take the field :D), but not when the Pres. is addressing Congress.
 

PottedMeat

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Why can't we do this House of Commons style? Put the president in the center floor, let him talk about his policies, representatives in the gallery can heckle/respond/whatever, and the president can respond back. Lots of laughs, heckling, boos, and cheers. All on glorious CSPAN.

Gordon Brown vs. some dude
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: evident
dude, i am asking a legitimate question. has a president from either party ever been disrespectfully interrupted like this before? anytime i watch a speech it's just stops for applaud or polite boos.

Speaking only for myself of course, booing is about as inappropriate as a brief outburst in this situation. No member of Congress has to agree with the Pres. all the time - that's just obvious - but at least respect the office. If you don't like what's being said, then don't applaud (silence says a lot) and issue a well-reasoned rebuttal statement afterward. Booing is fine at a sporting event (and should be legally required anytime the Dallas Cowboys take the field :D), but not when the Pres. is addressing Congress.

And the cheering/booing that congress normally does has been done countless times to past Presidents....thats all fine and dandy.

But the guy interrupted the speech all by himself by calling the President a Liar....I don't recall THAT ever happening before.

The respect for the Office of the President is faltering. I have to wonder if it has less to do with the Presidents policies and positions and more to do with the man (Obama) himself.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Mursilis
Originally posted by: evident
dude, i am asking a legitimate question. has a president from either party ever been disrespectfully interrupted like this before? anytime i watch a speech it's just stops for applaud or polite boos.

Speaking only for myself of course, booing is about as inappropriate as a brief outburst in this situation. No member of Congress has to agree with the Pres. all the time - that's just obvious - but at least respect the office. If you don't like what's being said, then don't applaud (silence says a lot) and issue a well-reasoned rebuttal statement afterward. Booing is fine at a sporting event (and should be legally required anytime the Dallas Cowboys take the field :D), but not when the Pres. is addressing Congress.

I think booing in disapproval of something the President said is quite a bit different than screaming a personal insult. Neither one is super-classy... but still.