Some thoughts on women...

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To all of you... don't read too much (or maybe read a lot) into this, I'm writing this after having been up since 11 yesterday morning, so I'm kind of tired.

I was thinking about it tonight, about my female friends and... how my relationships with them have changed and grown over the years. How, ones that I thought were fairly innocent ended up being very... very interesting. How others, where I thought I wanted this girl more than any other... where I "suffered" through being her friend, just to be near her... how those ended up being great times, and a learning experience. I've been through a lot of friendships with different women in my 18 years, and I will have many more. Some specific things I've learned, realized...

First... if you don't tell her, she won't know. It seems elementary, but a few times, I have latched on to a woman, spending all of my time with her, around her, talking to her...sending what I thought were hints... only to be rebuffed. Only later do I find out that she had no idea of my true intentions. Once, a friend of mine did confront me about my actions, and I was honest about my feelings... we talked about it, came to a mutual understanding, and moved on. Honesty, though tactful, is always the way to go.

Second... if you latch on to her, expecting to woo her over with your devotion...you won't. There is nothing healthy, mature women hate more than a guy who's needy. A lot of guys (including myself, in the past) say that women prefer the "jerks"... no, they prefer the men who have a spine, and who pay attention to their own needs, relationships and life. While devotion is good, it's not necessarily the first step. It comes in handy after the marriage is established, and you're building a life together... but if you're in Junior High, High School, College... (even after, I 'spose, :p)... devotion isn't the most important characteristic. Strength, firmness, and confidence are.

Third... a friendship with a woman isn't a bad thing! This seems like such a horrible thing to many guys (to me, too, at a few points)... "Oh, dangit, I just got relegated to the friend zone...", as if it were a horrific place to be. And, yet, as I examine the last eight years of my life... some of my most rewarding friendships have been with women that I've gotten to know and stayed good friends with, throughout Junior High, High School and college. In jr. high, high school... friendships with the girls around you probably don't seem like that big of a deal. They are! Nothing has made me happier than to come back, after a year at college, to see those four or five lady friends and to get to share the changes in my life with them. It's worth it, in the long run. Don't throw away a friendship just because it's not what you want (a relationship) at the moment.

Fourth... don't generalize! Just because you get screwed over by a few mean women, doesn't give you excuse to stereotype all women. There are mean, ugly, nasty women out there... and there are mean, ugly nasty men as well. There are cold, calculating, manipulative women out there... and there are just as many men like that. There are also plenty of kind, intelligent, curious young women, just as there are as many guys.

Finally...and the most important, I think, probably the most important thing in most issues in a young person's life... be patient! Some things just take time to work themselves out. Some of you young men on here are going through awkward phases in life; you're uncertain about yourself, physically, emotionally, spiritually... you're unsure about those girls you're getting to know, etc... give it time. Most of you guys, if there's any common link between the geeks in h.s. and college... you'll come out of it sooner or later. And the women notice. Oh... yes, they notice. :D They see all those traits that you see now (compassion, loyalty, devotion), but combined with intelligence, wit, and physical attractiveness, and earning potential :)P). You don't see it now... but you will. I've seen it in myself, and in other young men around me.

Women are strange creatures... but no stranger than men. You wonder why women always go to the bathroom in groups? They're doing the same things guys are doing here in OT (well, some) - they're asking for advice, checking out different guys... etc. We're more alike than I think most people ever realize. It always makes me laugh when my sister comes to me asking for advice about guys... because they're the exact same questions I ask her. Without fail. The same issues that we struggle with... the same things that irritate us. Sure, they express it in different ways, and they have their moody times of the month, ;). But we all want the same core things, at heart... acceptance, love, belonging... (yadda, :))

That's all. :) Off to the gym.
 

joohang

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*yawn*

I'm heading to bed now.

On a serious note, good post man. You make some very good points.

See ya tonight. :)
 

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Originally posted by: joohang
*yawn*

I'm heading to bed now.

On a serious note, good post man. You make some very good points.

See ya tonight. :)

:D I'll actually be up in Bellingham, hopefully... :) I'll catch up tomorrow night, though.
 

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Incredibly well-put advice. I'm taking this all way thru the years..and I'm only in grade 11 ;)

Simon
 

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What's up with all these threads about girls and relationships. They don't seem to help anyone.

My advice..short and sweet.

Girls are 100 times more insecure than men. If your interested in a girl then tell her, hit on her, grab her (maybe not), etc. Most guys think girls don't want to be hit on...and really don't want to be hit on by ugly, dorky guys. NOT SO!!

A girl would rather be hit on my 10 super ugly guys at a bar than have not single person hit on her
 

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Originally posted by: LostHiWay
What's up with all these threads about girls and relationships. They don't seem to help anyone.

My advice..short and sweet.

Girls are 100 times more insecure than men. If your interested in a girl then tell her, hit on her, grab her (maybe not), etc. Most guys think girls don't want to be hit on...and really don't want to be hit on by ugly, dorky guys. NOT SO!!

A girl would rather be hit on my 10 super ugly guys at a bar than have not single person hit on her


oh god,you couldn't be more wrong ! I avoid clubs precisly because I don't want dorky,clueless guys hitting on me !

 

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Originally posted by: LostHiWay
What's up with all these threads about girls and relationships. They don't seem to help anyone.

My advice..short and sweet.

Girls are 100 times more insecure than men. If your interested in a girl then tell her, hit on her, grab her (maybe not), etc. Most guys think girls don't want to be hit on...and really don't want to be hit on by ugly, dorky guys. NOT SO!!

A girl would rather be hit on my 10 super ugly guys at a bar than have not single person hit on her

And, I would assume this is also the way to build long-term, meaningful relationships with these same women?

Thanks for the contribution,
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Koing

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Originally posted by: baffled2
Originally posted by: LostHiWay
What's up with all these threads about girls and relationships. They don't seem to help anyone.

My advice..short and sweet.

Girls are 100 times more insecure than men. If your interested in a girl then tell her, hit on her, grab her (maybe not), etc. Most guys think girls don't want to be hit on...and really don't want to be hit on by ugly, dorky guys. NOT SO!!

A girl would rather be hit on my 10 super ugly guys at a bar than have not single person hit on her


oh god,you couldn't be more wrong ! I avoid clubs precisly because I don't want dorky,clueless guys hitting on me !

No problem they are all here;)

 

Geekbabe

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Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: baffled2
Originally posted by: LostHiWay
What's up with all these threads about girls and relationships. They don't seem to help anyone.

My advice..short and sweet.

Girls are 100 times more insecure than men. If your interested in a girl then tell her, hit on her, grab her (maybe not), etc. Most guys think girls don't want to be hit on...and really don't want to be hit on by ugly, dorky guys. NOT SO!!

A girl would rather be hit on my 10 super ugly guys at a bar than have not single person hit on her


oh god,you couldn't be more wrong ! I avoid clubs precisly because I don't want dorky,clueless guys hitting on me !

No problem they are all here;)

Hahaha, true that, at least here though they're just virtual dorks !
 

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Originally posted by: Koing

No problem they are all here;)

*hits Koing over the head* Yes, they are... we're all about trying to share some experiences that have worked, so they won't be the dorky guys anymore!

<--- is still the dorky guy... :) But he's gotten a woman or two.
 

Koing

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: Koing

No problem they are all here;)

*hits Koing over the head* Yes, they are... we're all about trying to share some experiences that have worked, so they won't be the dorky guys anymore!

<--- is still the dorky guy... :) But he's gotten a woman or two.

yeah just playing with baffled2.

Most the guys here aren't dorky. Just that they haven't me the right girls. I think most of the people here aren't dorky, just lacking soem confidence with girls. Once they get this then its fine for them. Just like they are with their guy friends, its no different really. Just that its a bit different to them as they are nervous or not that confidence.

btw nice points. I have learnt them all as well through the last 9 months with this amazing girl:D Its made me much more confidence with girls. Spending time with a girl that you thought was unobtainable and keeping her happy does wonders for you:D also she cares for me w00t.
 

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: Koing
also she cares for me w00t.

Simplistic yet fiendishly dorky. :p

yeah I realised that after I had typed it in. Quite funny; only as my mate Si has bene saying it around in college and in classes. lol. yes he actually says *w00t* like that. And now I am cactching it off him and saying it as well.

so you have a girlfriend Zakath15?

 

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Originally posted by: Koing

yeah I realised that after I had typed it in. Quite funny; only as my mate Si has bene saying it around in college and in classes. lol. yes he actually says *w00t* like that. And now I am cactching it off him and saying it as well.

so you have a girlfriend Zakath15?

Not at the moment... if you've looked at my last big thread at all, you'd know part of my current situation....

These were more thoughts that I've been mulling over for a while... things I've noticed around me, and with friends from high school who I've kept in touch with. I had lunch with a good female friend of mine on Thursday... that was the deciding factor - I hadn't seen her in a while, but it was good to catch up... and realize how much we'd both changed. That kinda spurred this whole train of thought that's in this thread.

:)

<--- makes mental note to post updates...
 

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very interesting post.

this is good advice even though most of it I already knew, but for the young bucks here, they should read up.
 

Koing

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yeah I read that. Update it.

and hey aren't you suppose to go hit the gym?!?!;) So what do you do at the gym? I Olympic Lift myself. = Clean and Jerk. Snatch.

I'm off to work so speak to you latezzz and best wishes with that girl.
 

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Could I please have the Reader's Digest condensed version? :p Seriously though, you are offering hope to those who have none......good job :)
 

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Originally posted by: guapo337
zakath: you have begun the writing of the ATOT Bible on Women (for Men).


damn valid points indeed. I have just begun to learn this stuff, as freshman in high school.

Hehe, good that you're learning some of them!

Maybe I should start that ATOT bible.... :) I'd probably make some okay money, too.
 

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There is nothing healthy, mature women hate more than a guy who's needy. A lot of guys (including myself, in the past) say that women prefer the "jerks"... no, they prefer the men who have a spine, and who pay attention to their own needs, relationships and life. While devotion is good, it's not necessarily the first step
*applauding*
you have put into words what ive tried to tell my guy (and girl!) friends a lot. except i use the words "always try have your own thing happening too."

*kat. <-- a fan of this thread.

 

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Originally posted by: eakers

*applauding*
you have put into words what ive tried to tell my guy (and girl!) friends a lot. except i use the words "always try have your own thing happening too."

*kat. <-- a fan of this thread.

*beaming* eakers is a fan!

It's something that I learned after my last relationship... if you're so wrapped up into the relationship that your losing contact with your really close circle of friends... there's something wrong. And, of course, if she just keeps eating up your attention... there's something wrong with that, too.

<--- dated an attention-whore, and regrets letting his friendships go by the wayside.
 

eakers

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Originally posted by: Zakath15
Originally posted by: eakers

*applauding*
you have put into words what ive tried to tell my guy (and girl!) friends a lot. except i use the words "always try have your own thing happening too."

*kat. <-- a fan of this thread.

*beaming* eakers is a fan!

It's something that I learned after my last relationship... if you're so wrapped up into the relationship that your losing contact with your really close circle of friends... there's something wrong. And, of course, if she just keeps eating up your attention... there's something wrong with that, too.

<--- dated an attention-whore, and regrets letting his friendships go by the wayside.

agh, after me and my ex broke up (we were together for three years) i realised how stupid i was to ditch all my friends to hang out with him and his friends all the time. it was one of the most valuble lessons ive ever learned.

*kat. <-- loves her friends and doesnt understand how she could go so long with not hanging out with them
 

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Originally posted by: eakers

agh, after me and my ex broke up (we were together for three years) i realised how stupid i was to ditch all my friends to hang out with him and his friends all the time. it was one of the most valuble lessons ive ever learned.

*kat. <-- loves her friends and doesnt understand how she could go so long with not hanging out with them

You go, girl! :p
 

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Zakath15, all I have to say is I love you. :D You are a very very smart man, and there is no doubt in my mind you have as many female friendships as you say you do with that attitude.

Now dammit guys, read this post, its so true!