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CaptnKirk

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My question is why doesn't the U.S. place the same value on other countries problems.
This has been going on for 10 years, but we see nothing of value there, nothing to gain.
If they do find oil or chromium, or something of value - we'd liberate that.
There have been over 3 million killed, but we obviously don't care.
If the UN is to have an impact obviously the US must get involved.

It's foolharty to blame the UN for the inefficiencies and lack of concern of the US
 

DT4K

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Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
You want to help liberate an oppressed people ? Why no help here?
READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE ! - Before you make a lame reply.

What don't they have that Iraq has ? could it be OIL and the 'Revenge for Daddy ?'

Let me get this straight. You think we should take military action to stop oppression but only if the country is NOT a threat to us?
You think it is wrong to take military action to stop oppression AND eliminate a chemical, bio, and nuclear threat to us?
Seems to me that it just means there are two reasons to go to war instead of only one.

I'd be all in favor of taking military action wherever there is genocide. But there would be way too many peace protesters like you fighting for the rights of those governments to kill as many of their own people as they want. I mean it's none of our business right.

The answer is: we are not going to rescue every country. Should we? Maybe.

We had the opportunity to rescue the Iraqi's because their leader happened to be a threat to the world's safety. But too many people in the U.S. are basically isolationists and think it is not our business to get involved unless other countries pose a threat to us.

So it is the fact that there are two good reasons to go to war in Iraq that has caused the people of the U.S. so supportive of this action. There are many other areas around the world where there is one good reason to go to war. But far fewer people would support these actions.
 

etech

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Iraqis share graphic tales of regime's torture chambers
Mon Apr 14,12:22 PM ET

BAGHDAD -- Pictures of dead Iraqis, with their necks slashed, their eyes gouged out and their genitals blackened, fill a bookshelf. Jail cells, with dried blood on the floor and rusted shackles bolted to the walls, line the corridors. And the screams of what could be imprisoned men in an underground detention center echo through air shafts and sewer pipes.

''This is the place where Saddam made people disappear,'' said an Iraqi soldier named Iyad Hussein, 37, describing Iraq (news - web sites)'s Military Intelligence Directorate in the northwestern suburb of Kadimiya. ''It is a chamber of death.''

The secrets of Saddam Hussein (news - web sites)'s reign of terror are beginning to emerge. Iraqi civilians who had long feared speaking out about the atrocities for fear of government retribution are revealing in detail what the Iraqi dictator and his regime inflicted on some of the country's 26 million people.

They paint a picture of arrests, killings and torture that have led human rights groups to condemn the Iraqi leader in the strongest terms. The groups have charged that tens of thousands of Iraqis, from Kurds in the north to Shiites in the south, were tortured and killed after Saddam seized power in 1979.

Thousands were arrested on charges ranging from criticizing the Iraqi leader to cooperating with the United States.

Only a few walked out of the jails alive.

Some Iraqis are already coming forward with tales of atrocities. Many allegedly were carried out here at the Military Intelligence Directorate.

''I was beaten, refrigerated naked and put underground for one year because I was a Shiite and Saddam is a Sunni,'' said Ali Kaddam Kardom, 37. He said he was arrested in the central city of Karbala on March 10, 2000. He returned to the facility in Baghdad this weekend, he said, to help rescue any Iraqis who still might be imprisoned there.
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Initially, U.S. forces will have to rely on testimony from survivors of Saddam's brutality because some of the key documentary evidence has disappeared, U.S. officials said. When U.S. forces entered the headquarters of the once-feared Iraqi Intelligence Service, across town from the Military Intelligence Directorate, they found the place had been cleaned out even before the Baghdad looters arrived, a U.S. intelligence official said Sunday. Looters have destroyed evidence at other government agencies.

Torture tales

As U.S. forces entered the Iraqi capital, hundreds of military intelligence officers fled the Directorate's headquarters. Apparently, they feared being captured or killed by U.S. forces or beaten by Iraqis for decades of tortures and killings committed here.

Over the weekend, relatives of those arrested began arriving at the now-abandoned intelligence headquarters to inquire about loved ones. They brought pictures, birth certificates and dental records. It was the first time most had even approached the main gate, much less entered the site. Signs outside the headquarters read ''Forbidden to enter under penalty of death.''

Kardom, one of the former prisoners who came back, was kept in the facility's underground prison until March 10, records here show. He was charged with ''religious incitement'' against the government.

He denied any wrongdoing.

''Under Saddam, there were no rights of appeal,'' Kardom said. ''I begged them to stop as they beat me. It only inspired them to beat me harder.''

An Iraqi soldier, who according to the facility's records witnessed the beatings, said interrogators regularly used pliers to remove men's teeth, electric prods to shock men's genitals and drills to cut holes in their ankles.

In one instance, the soldier recalled, he witnessed a Kuwaiti soldier, who had been captured during the 1991 Persian Gulf War (news - web sites), being forced to sit on a broken Pepsi bottle. The man was removed from the bottle only after it filled up with his blood, the soldier said. He said the man later died.

''I have seen interrogators break the heads of men with baseball bats, pour salt into wounds and rape wives in front of their husbands,'' said former Iraqi soldier Ali Iyad Kareen, 41.

He then produced dozens of Polaroid pictures of beaten and dead Iraqis from the directorate's files.

The beatings continued until the last days of the old government. Iraqi Maj. Shakir Hamid, 33, and his two brothers said they were arrested March 5 by military intelligence police and charged with being informants for the CIA. They were released by sympathetic Iraqi soldiers last week, Hamid said.

He and his two brothers, Majeed and Shakeer, have cigarette burns on their wrists, the bottoms of their feet and their inner thighs. He pointed out dried blood stains on the cement floor of several jail cells. ''The interrogators kept telling me, 'Admit it, you work for the Americans, don't you?' '' Hamid said. ''Under Saddam, you were found guilty whether or not there was any evidence against you.''

Most of the five-story building has been demolished by U.S.-led airstrikes. Steel beams and parts of concrete walls cover the floors. Furniture, files and pictures have been burned beyond recognition.

Underground prison

Several other buildings on the grounds were left relatively intact. Inside one building, there were files with the names and pictures of Iraq's military intelligence officers. There also were pictures of prisoners, many of whom had been tortured and killed.

Former prisoners at the facility here said they were kept in an underground prison adjacent to a pumphouse and near the jail. It was built by the Yugoslav government. The men said the prison contained nearly 400 jail cells. Iraqi soldiers who worked at the site confirm their description.

U.S. Special Forces, however, investigated the site last week and said they found no evidence of a hidden prison there. Relatives of several missing Iraqis said the forces searched the basement of the main headquarters, not the site they had recommended.

Saturday, former prisoners and Iraqi soldiers said they heard screams of ''help'' from men who were still there. Several soldiers who tried to enter the underground prison through a manhole said they found the area flooded and doors locked. Kanan Alwan, 41, who worked in the facility's administrative office, said the intelligence officers of the facility programmed the prison's computers, which control the water flow, so that the water level would exceed the height of the prison doors.

''They are drowning in there, and there's nothing we can do for them,'' Alwan said. ''The real criminals fled. But the innocents who probably did nothing wrong have been condemned to death.''

It was impossible to confirm whether prisoners had been left to die underground. But family members of the suspected prisoners, Iraqi soldiers and local residents worked furiously Saturday in an effort to free the men. They tried to shut off the water, break down the doors with hammers and dig holes with shovels and sticks.

By 10 a.m. Sunday, the screams had stopped. Many of the family members broke down and cried. Others fainted in despair. Some just walked away in anger.

''Saddam may be gone, but his final act was to murder more of his own people,'' Alwan said. ''Now I pray the murders will stop.''
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Those are the stories that people wanted to ignore. Those are the people that some wanted to leave under Saddam's rule.



 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
I would to introduce a couple of obsevations\thoughts about the war I have heard recently:

I stopped by coworker's cube a couple of days ago to say hi and she said that for the US to not appear to be a big bully two things would have to happen:
1. The Iraqis would have to be dancing in the streets after the collapse of Saddam's regime.
2. Chemical and biological weapons have to be found.

Wednesday, April 9, 2003, the media showed two clips of Iraqis celebrating.

April 9, 2003, I was listening to NPR driving home and they were interviewing a number of people who were saying that US's invasion of Iraq would be "legitimized" when the details of Saddam's goverment's murderous brutality against its own people were released. Apparently the Iraqis are rigorous record keepers and that there exists detail evidence of Iraqi torture, gassing, murder of its citizens.

What do you think?

I think the response to a simple "Hi" speaks volumes regarding the pent up need to vent.
regarding the more salient point, I think besides the genetic perpensity toward the accounting profession they (Iraqis) display the attitude of an Iraqi in power as one wanting to stay in power through the systematic elimination of any and all potential threats to that end. More subtle similar efforts are found elsewhere as well.
 

Alistar7

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Originally posted by: etech
Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
You want to help liberate an oppressed people ? Why no help here?
READ THE WHOLE ARTICLE ! - Before you make a lame reply.

What don't they have that Iraq has ? could it be OIL and the 'Revenge for Daddy ?'

It seems from the article that the UN is handling the situation with their usual competance.

France is there as well, offering their astute international diplomacy, they have BOTH sides pissed at them right now, if that's not damn near impossible I don't know what is, but it is indicative of their lack of understanding the world we live in today and their inability to create a consensus.
 

MC

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Originally posted by: rchiu
I don't know if the following logic is going to go through bunch of 12 year olds...., but I am going to try anyway.

It is great to fight for everyone's freedom in the world, but in reality, it is not that easy, and this is why.

1. How do you determine if the people in a country is oppressed? Freedom and oppression is not exactly black and white. You see people dancing on the street of Bagdad and say, hey they must be happy because we freed them. That's great but that's after the fact. How do we determine if the people is oppressed BEFORE we go in? Should we just go in anytime and way until to end to see if people dancing on the street to declare a success? We execute prisoners in our country, but in some people's view, that is a huge violation of human right, do we change our system and our value because what other people think? By the same token, should we expect every other country to follow our system and value? China executes prisoners by the thousands. Many Asian countries sees political dissidents as people who commit treason, and treat them with most serious punishment. Are you going to judge if people are oppressed based one that?

2. How do you know you are soloving the problem by invading the country. There are conflicts between Shiites and Baath and the Kurds in Iraq, you take down the Baath in power now and put the Shiites in power, is the country going to be free of oppression? Racial/relegion conflicts are caused by hundred and thousands years of bad blood. Do you want our troops to be in the region forever to make sure the conflicts end?

3. Who has the final say of which country is oppressed? We? Who gave us the power and the right? What qualifies us? In our judicial system, the supreme court judges are appointed by President who is elected by people. Let's make the world a court and deciding which country is oppressed a court case. How can one country, without the endorsement from other members of the world go around and say they have the power and the wisdom to determine the fate of people in another country thousands of miles away?

4. I am sorry to bring this up. But going to war involves huge cost to us American people, and we DO NOT have unlimited resources, especially now when economy is bad. Let's just say we are doing the right thing freeing the people and providing a long term solution to make sure they keep their freedom. But how does all those benefit us? Me who pays 35% and more to the government? My kids? Should the government keeps on taking money away from my social security, reduce money going to health care, take money out out of already crappy public school system just so people from other part of the world can be freed?

Why can't we let people fight for themselves? Why not let UN takes care of other instances when genocide/crime against humanity is commited? Why can't we let UN, in a court where all member of the world can voice their voice determine who we should help and how? Why do we, instead of UN, have to get into regional conflicts, which brings unneccessary dangers to our society?

The current administration got lots of smart people, I am sure they know all the problems I mentioned. Why are they still feeding us the "feel good" story and theory about freeing Iraqi people, while hiding all the cost to us? Who does the war really benefit? Hint Hint, the guy with rock high approval rating. Sorry that you can't see through all that BS.

couldn't have say it better.
 

etech

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couldn't have say it better.

I'd be ashamed to admit that. There are so many mistakes and fallacies in that argument it would take an hour to prove just how wrong that it really is.

Do I really need to take that time or were just a rchiu fanboy? Seriously, think for yourself.
1)Can you tell if a people in one country are more oppressed than the norm. Does widespread torture and non-judicial killings by the party in power have any merit on the question?
2) Do you have no faith in the Arab people? Are you saying they are nothing more than animals that can't live together with out an overseer?
3) What do you do when certain judges(countries) of your court are bought off by the oppressor? Do you continue to ignore the people?
4) Yes, cost is a concern. What will the benefits of a free Iraq bring to the world and that region in the long term? A country out from under sanctions, able to rebuild and commence full trade with its neighbors?

The Iraq people did try to fight off Saddam. You won't find very many of them left alive now. They couldn't do it themselves.

"The current administration got lots of smart people". Yes and their grammar is better than yours. What country did you say you were from originally?
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: Armoth
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
I would to introduce a couple of obsevations\thoughts about the war I have heard recently:

I stopped by coworker's cube a couple of days ago to say hi and she said that for the US to not appear to be a big bully two things would have to happen:
1. The Iraqis would have to be dancing in the streets after the collapse of Saddam's regime.
2. Chemical and biological weapons have to be found.

Wednesday, April 9, 2003, the media showed two clips of Iraqis celebrating.

April 9, 2003, I was listening to NPR driving home and they were interviewing a number of people who were saying that US's invasion of Iraq would be "legitimized" when the details of Saddam's goverment's murderous brutality against its own people were released. Apparently the Iraqis are rigorous record keepers and that there exists detail evidence of Iraqi torture, gassing, murder of its citizens.

What do you think?

I think if you interview prison inmates in the US, you will see how injust and brutal the US society and government is too. For every Iraqis dancing in the street, there may be another dying in the hospital bed, but who want to report those sad stories. I mean there are ways to manipulate the news and information to create a perception, it depends on who you talk to and which story you decide to report. But invading other country to free other people is never the job of American to begin with, and it's not what this war is about. No matter what the media reports or Bush Administration says.

I beg to differ. This war is about right and wrong, good and evil. The reason that people have so much trouble with this war is that they do not understand the concept of a just war. All the justifications for the war like oppression from the regime, WMDs, ties to Al Qaeda, etc. aside, it comes down to the fact the Saddam is an evil person and has been ruthlessly violent towards his own people. I always hear the term equality. Who do you think you are (and all the other protesters) to say that the people of Iraq don't deserve the same basic human freedoms that the rest of the world does. America has the power to do something about the problems there, so we did something about it. Case closed.

Go President Bush! Go USA!

So why not free the people of Congo, Angola or the people of other African nations were archaic practices such as slavery still exist? What about communist countries? It's really sad that blind patriotism makes people so naive. This is not about good and evil, this is about the bottom line. The true reasons are more base: oil, demonstration of power, making a point, revenge, diverting attention and Israel. There are a lot of people who are a lot worse of than the Iraqi's who will never have the pleasure of our altruism in liberating them from their tyrannical leaders. Stop being so close minded, just because we are from this country does not mean it can do no wrong.

 

rchiu

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1)Can you tell if a people in one country are more oppressed than the norm. Does widespread torture and non-judicial killings by the party in power have any merit on the question?

Yeah, you who believe every piece of propaganda the government feeds you can be an impartial judge of who is oppressed and who is not. Go live in the country before you make all those assumptions.

2) Do you have no faith in the Arab people? Are you saying they are nothing more than animals that can't live together with out an overseer?

If you have so much faith in the Arab people, why do you want your government there in the first place? They can take care of themselves right? How is the presence of an army who are not liked by the local people, who has no ideal of the cultural and history background of the people is going to solve the racial and religion conflicts over there?

3) What do you do when certain judges(countries) of your court are bought off by the oppressor? Do you continue to ignore the people?

That is ridiculous. If you truly believe French and Russian and the rest of the world worked against us due to economic reasons, you are truly ignorant. Do you know who is the biggest economy in the world? Hint, that's us. Do you know who is French largest trading partner outside of EU? That's us. Do you know we are the 11th ranked recipient of Russian export and if oil is not counted, 2nd ranked? If those countries truly wanted money, you believe they will stand behind a country that ranked 153 in the world in terms of GDP per capita? (July 2001)

4) Yes, cost is a concern. What will the benefits of a free Iraq bring to the world and that region in the long term? A country out from under sanctions, able to rebuild and commence full trade with its neighbors?

Go ahead and quantify that, let's see if you can come up with something remotely close to 79 billion.

The Iraq people did try to fight off Saddam. You won't find very many of them left alive now. They couldn't do it themselves.

"The current administration got lots of smart people". Yes and their grammar is better than yours. What country did you say you were from originally?

woah, attack on grammar....why don't you spend more time arguing against my logic instead of checking every word I write....oh wait, may be you know you can't win the argument, and attacking the grammar is all you can do.
 

ShawnS

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Tell the govt of the Congo to start funding suicide bombers and building WMD that can be used by terrorist organizations against the US.
I am sure we can get them to the top of the list pretty quick.


I am sick of the people saying the US only interest in the region is oil. Granted oil is involved in the equation, but it isn't the only or even main reason. Having a government reward individuals who kill innocents with suicide bombings, having a government that basically stole the food for oil for themselves, having a governenment that is constantly trying to get back at the west, not to mention the oppression of a truly valuable people with the longest history on the earth, having a government with ties to several Terrorist organizations. Those are some of the more important reasons.

And to those who are already bitching "where are the WMD" do 11 buried, unaccounted for mobile labs mean ANYTHING to you?
How about the 11 missles found, one that had nerve gas in the warhead mean ANYTHING to you? Iraq isn't a tiny lil town, it will take time. Not to mention our troops are KINDA busy atm controlling the masses, helping the IRAQI police force regain civil control of the country. Sheesh, give the UN inspectors 12+ years and we can't give the US troops a few months?
 

tbrooks40

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Originally posted by: Shanti
Originally posted by: rchiu
Originally posted by: Dr Smooth
I would to introduce a couple of obsevations\thoughts about the war I have heard recently:

I stopped by coworker's cube a couple of days ago to say hi and she said that for the US to not appear to be a big bully two things would have to happen:
1. The Iraqis would have to be dancing in the streets after the collapse of Saddam's regime.
2. Chemical and biological weapons have to be found.

Wednesday, April 9, 2003, the media showed two clips of Iraqis celebrating.

April 9, 2003, I was listening to NPR driving home and they were interviewing a number of people who were saying that US's invasion of Iraq would be "legitimized" when the details of Saddam's goverment's murderous brutality against its own people were released. Apparently the Iraqis are rigorous record keepers and that there exists detail evidence of Iraqi torture, gassing, murder of its citizens.

What do you think?

I think if you interview prison inmates in the US, you will see how injust and brutal the US society and government is too. For every Iraqis dancing in the street, there may be another dying in the hospital bed, but who want to report those sad stories. I mean there are ways to manipulate the news and information to create a perception, it depends on who you talk to and which story you decide to report. But invading other country to free other people is never the job of American to begin with, and it's not what this war is about. No matter what the media reports or Bush Administration says.

Tell that to the Jews in WW2 Germany.

I haven't heard too many stories about U.S. prison inmates being beaten and tortured for years for stealing a loaf of bread when they are starving. Have you?
How about having body parts cut off and being forced to watch the rape and murder of their entire families for verbally expressing disagreement with your president?
Didnt' think so.

We have a duty to protect people from evil and free them from tyranny wherever we can. The sad part is that we so often do nothing until we have some excuse like 9/11. I know we do not have the resources to police the entire world. But we should do what we can. Contrary to some people's beliefs, there IS good and evil in this world. Not everything is subjective.

If your neighbor was being stabbed to death in his backyard, would you sit and watch and say "oh well, none of my business, it's not my house" or "well, i don't really know why he's being stabbed, maybe he deserves it"

It is people like you that made it possible for millions of innocent Jews to be gassed to death.

have you one shred of proof that this has happened to ANYONE in IRAQ? hell no you don't this is what you WANT to believe and its sad that you will stop here and not explore any other possible reasons as to why we are there. We don't want to feel as tho we have done ANYTHING wrong - ITS JUST UNBELIEVEABLE!

This is the first time I actually witnessed our leaders asking for the media's help with the war... bush officials actually (pubically) asked the media to put them in a better light where the war was concerned in return for up close coverage - THIS IS JUST WRONG. again i say - you have to support those who fighting this war - but you also have to call it like you see it!
 

tbrooks40

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oh yeah, is it me or do i keep seing the same 13 iraqi's doing the celebrating? do you know how many people are there? the shots of celebration i have seen is in no way a representation of the iraqi people.
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: tbrooks40
oh yeah, is it me or do i keep seing the same 13 iraqi's doing the celebrating? do you know how many people are there? the shots of celebration i have seen is in no way a representation of the iraqi people.

Exactly, and notice that you only see these celebrations from the point of view of the embedded aka army puppet reporters. Take a look at foreign sources such as Al Jazeera not so much to see the truth, but to get a different point of view so you can decide for yourself objectively. Most people are too afraid of networks like Al Jazeera because they show reality, and that shatters their illusions of the righteousness of this war.
 

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Its very sad, and I was very afraid of this. People after seeing these images of celebrating Iraqis, refuse to believe their eyes. They'll find any possible way to criticize Bush. It is all or nothing.

They expect the entire country to be PERFECTLY PEACEFUL after we've liberated them.

They expect every single citizen to be out there to take down a statue in a non-residential area of the town when there is still fighting going on outside their homes.

They expect WMD's to be found instantly upon liberation. When there are 2,000-3,000 sites that have to be checked and only about 20 can be finished per day.

They expect that since other dictators are getting away with this, that they ALL should get away with this. By this rationale we shouldn't ever charge anyone with rape or murder because , somewhere somebody's gotten away with it.

This war is ALL about oil and revenge? Ask the people fighting the war when they come home. Ask them what they were fighting for everyday. I don't care what the Bush admin says, ask them. They'll tell you. I doubt they'll say that they were risking their lives every day for Bush's oil.

Its ALL or NOTHING. Do it perfect or don't do it at all. This is a sad state of criticism. If you want to criticize how Bush is doing things, try offering up a solution to the way it SHOULD be done at the very least. I don't like a lot of the way it was handled from the start, but I'm not going to chase them down with an ALL or NOTHING fantasy.

If your just anti-bush, at least make that stance.
 

LilBlinbBlahIce

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Originally posted by: ConclamoLudus
Its very sad, and I was very afraid of this. People after seeing these images of celebrating Iraqis, refuse to believe their eyes. They'll find any possible way to criticize Bush. It is all or nothing.

They expect the entire country to be PERFECTLY PEACEFUL after we've liberated them.

They expect every single citizen to be out there to take down a statue in a non-residential area of the town when there is still fighting going on outside their homes.

They expect WMD's to be found instantly upon liberation. When there are 2,000-3,000 sites that have to be checked and only about 20 can be finished per day.

They expect that since other dictators are getting away with this, that they ALL should get away with this. By this rationale we shouldn't ever charge anyone with rape or murder because , somewhere somebody's gotten away with it.

This war is ALL about oil and revenge? Ask the people fighting the war when they come home. Ask them what they were fighting for everyday. I don't care what the Bush admin says, ask them. They'll tell you. I doubt they'll say that they were risking their lives every day for Bush's oil.

Its ALL or NOTHING. Do it perfect or don't do it at all. This is a sad state of criticism. If you want to criticize how Bush is doing things, try offering up a solution to the way it SHOULD be done at the very least. I don't like a lot of the way it was handled from the start, but I'm not going to chase them down with an ALL or NOTHING fantasy.

If your just anti-bush, at least make that stance.

The administration should have waited for the inspectors. Yeah they had 12 years to come clean, but the inspectors said they needed a few more months. We waited so long, what would a few more months do? There was no immenent threat from Iraq. If there were weapons, they would have been found, but just like you said "They expect WMD's to be found instantly upon liberation. When there are 2,000-3,000 sites that have to be checked and only about 20 can be finished per day." At the end we said we would give UN inspectors a few weeks to do their job. We isolated ourselves by going against the world community. Now people will say: the coalition of the willing has over 40 countries! Yeah, well if you care if Myamar, Micronesia and Bulgaria are on our side, good for you.
 

etech

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Yeah they had 12 years to come clean, but the inspectors said they needed a few more months. We waited so long, what would a few more months do?

Exactly, Iraq had twelve years to come clean. Why do you expect another month to make any difference? What difference would another month have made except to give Saddam more time to put out bribes to certain countries, and make the weather even hotter and more difficult for the coalition troops.