Some rumor busting for nvidia.. and some cool info

[rbV5]

I found it interested that the PCX cards will be underclocked, does this mean PCI-E actually improves performance over AGP significantly enough that nvidia dares to lower the clock of thir cards?

How could it unless the AGP bus were saturated? My "guess" is that it will simply to increase the yields significantly to reduce production costs.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Rollo

If this is true, ATI is dead meat.

Although I usually agree with you, I don't on this one Keys.
With 9800Pros at $200 and offering the level performance they do, and the incredibly small percentage of people who buy >$300 video cards, nVidia's $400 - $500 card could offer 10X the performance of ATIs best and ATI would still retain a big market share.

Of course, if you meant ATI is "dead meat" in terms of high end performance comparison if the nV40 is a 16X1 design, well that could be.

Yes, I did mean for the high end title. Strictly performance.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Pete

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

I see what your saying Pete, but what makes you think he was "interpretting" the facts at all? It would seem to me that if you are technically knowledgable, and physically seeing and hearing the Nvidia demonstration, what would be so difficult in getting the facts straight and transferring them (to the best of his ability due to NDA) an internet web article?

Again, the fact that Guru3D thinks (at least when last I checked) NV30/35--chips that've been out for quite a long time--are 8x1 doesn't bode well for his critical analysis of what nV says NV40 is. nV said NV30 was 8x1 and would blow R300 out of the water, but that didn't quite happen, did it? I don't doubt nV can come up with the goods, but forgive me for being skeptical both of their advance marketing claims and of Guru3D's ability to relay them to me with a modicum of thought. Beyond their telling us NV40 is fast, though, I suppose he didn't say much, so there wasn't much to "interpret."

Anyway, like I said, maybe I'm being too hard on them for that one (rather incredible ) mistake.

I remember that. But do you remember whether or not NV specifically said that it was in fact not a 4x2 design at the time? I dont know.
As for this time around, people will be very disappionted if it turns out to be 8x2 instead of 16 true individual pipes.

 

[Acanthus]

8x2 would still be a great card... and theres about 200 other things that can dramatically effect performance, like their new AA implementation, much higher memory clocks, any new bandwidth saving technologies, down to firmware, drivers, and game optimizations. (there are hundreds more i know). People are concentrating way too much on pipelines, as its only part of a very large equation for overall performance.

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: rbV5

I found it interested that the PCX cards will be underclocked, does this mean PCI-E actually improves performance over AGP significantly enough that nvidia dares to lower the clock of thir cards?

How could it unless the AGP bus were saturated? My "guess" is that it will simply to increase the yields significantly to reduce production costs.

It's likely primarily to stay within PEG power limits, as the PCX 5900 is supposed to do without a molex connector. But ultimately that'll reduce costs, so cheap may be their first concern.

 

[stardust]

Originally posted by: Pete

Originally posted by: rbV5

I found it interested that the PCX cards will be underclocked, does this mean PCI-E actually improves performance over AGP significantly enough that nvidia dares to lower the clock of thir cards?

How could it unless the AGP bus were saturated? My "guess" is that it will simply to increase the yields significantly to reduce production costs.

It's likely primarily to stay within PEG power limits, as the PCX 5900 is supposed to do without a molex connector. But ultimately that'll reduce costs, so cheap may be their first concern.

Let's hope speed is also high on their list.. I don't think shaving more performance off the NV3* series is going to do any good for nvidia.

 

[reever]

Someone explain to me what guru3d is trying to say here?

They're trying to say that they are a Nvidia fansite, and a badly administrated one at that

 

[Wuzup101]

Hum... might have to go back to Nvidia

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: reever

Someone explain to me what guru3d is trying to say here?

They're trying to say that they are a Nvidia fansite, and a badly administrated one at that

Oh Brother....

 

[stardust]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: reever

Someone explain to me what guru3d is trying to say here?

They're trying to say that they are a Nvidia fansite, and a badly administrated one at that

Oh Brother....

We just can't avoid those people can we? no matter how passively we talk and discuss..

 

[caz67]