Some rumor busting for nvidia.. and some cool info

[stardust]

Someone explain to me what guru3d is trying to say here?

Guru3D

What rumors is he talking about and what about encoding?

My meeting with NVIDIA was a bit more refreshing as indeed the rumors of a NV40 card soon to be released are true. First let me finish off some of the more nasty rumors that are floating on the web. NV40 was not skipped, there is no A02 core; yet A01 is alive alright. Is NV45 skipped ? Not at all ...

Behind closed doors NVIDIA under the luxury of a Non-Disclosure Agreement NVIDIA was showing the next generation product to a selection of press, partners and industry analysts. Guru3D.com was one of the lucky few who where able to see it all, I've personally seen it, I've played a game, saw new technology demo's on it and I can say it rocks for sure. I can't get into details as it's all NDA stuff but I'll give you a hint: take a good look at the rumors on the web. The downside from a rumor is that often peope are starting to imagine stuff. The last couple of days days people started to shout basically anything to get a bit more attention and spread well let's say it a bit more bluntly: BS, seek in the news from last week, that's all I'm gonna say about it ::end hint:: Ah okay, one more .. also seek up a rumor on encoding certain stuff.

What can you expect from NV40, oh it's fast alright ! When can you expect the NV40 introduction ? How does three weeks from now sound ? It's close, it's in mass-production and you can likely buy it in May already despite some reports I've seen on other sites. From what I heard from nVIDIA and some of their partners I don't expect a delayed product release.

I'm sorry I can't share any further details; it's unfortunately part of the game we are in so the keyword here is patience. It's a product that definitely can bring back NVIDIA on top, but then again, that's a little speculative. And I've learned to be careful with these things; we are not exactly the Inquirer.

Of course we also briefly talked about PCI-Express. But you've seen and read the announcements. The differences between ATI and NVIDIA (NVIDIA HSI/ ATI Native) can be discussed and argumented. Ehm, it really doesn't matter at this time. Only the future will tell what it the most effective solution and most of all you need to remember this; only future generations graphics cards will really benefit from PCI-Express. I expect to see support for AGP for another 3 years or so. PCI Express is definitely the way to ...

One interesting thing should be mentioned. Clock speeds of the new PCX (PCI Express) boards have changes slightly: GeForce PCX 5300 - 250MHz, GeForce PCX 5750 - 425MHz and GeForce PCX 5900 - 350MHz which are all lower then the AGP versions.

What do you guys think?

 

[Keysplayr]

Seems that he was impressed by the nv40. And I also think that he was hinting at the inquirers rumors of last week.

This was the inquirers news exactly a week ago today.

Draw your own conclusions but I think the Guru dude is saying that it is not 8x2, but a 16 pipe jobby.

If this is true, ATI is dead meat.

 

[klah]

Originally posted by: stardust
Someone explain to me what guru3d is trying to say here?
Guru3D
What rumors is he talking about and what about encoding?

Rumor that NV40 has hardware mpeg encoding.

 

[stardust]

Originally posted by: klah

Originally posted by: stardust
Someone explain to me what guru3d is trying to say here?
Guru3D
What rumors is he talking about and what about encoding?

Rumor that NV40 has hardware mpeg encoding.

What is that saying in the long run? faster, higher quality streaming videos?
..that would be cool.

What about HDTV? I think guru3d has told us as much info as we can get our hands on presently. I trust his hints, as he was able to be apart of the NDA ppl.

 

[ronnn]

yes, the writer is definitely promoting the nv40. :beer: I think ATI may survive if R420 is slower. If for no other reason than people like me who will buy the best deal, not neccessarily the performance leader. Being a quiet computer fanatic, I will likely wait until the next gen total solutions roll out ie pci express and form factor whatever.

 

[SneakyStuff]

wow, after reading that article more, I can't wait to make a new system, i'm going to wait as long as possible. Get PCI-E, DDRII, and who knows what new processors will come out in another year or so!? That's some cool stuff.

 

[Pete]

I think that Guru3D still thinks the FX 5900 is an eight pipeline card, so why should I trust info filtered through them? Not that they're saying anything too new, other than the "it's fast, real fast" chant we've been hearing since Anand's Feb. 24th blog.

If there's no A02 stepping, as G3D said, then perhaps the B3D numbers are BS. Then again, maybe G3D's reference to A02 was alluding to the B3D numbers, but mistakenly thinking Vegetto was talking about the core, when it seems he was talking about the card. Or maybe everyone's as clueless as me about this whole mess. ;P

 

[Bucksnort]

All guru does is get a hardon encouraging and talking about flashing. Not much of an expert.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Pete
I think that Guru3D still thinks the FX 5900 is an eight pipeline card, so why should I trust info filtered through them? Not that they're saying anything too new, other than the "it's fast, real fast" chant we've been hearing since Anand's Feb. 24th blog.

If there's no A02 stepping, as G3D said, then perhaps the B3D numbers are BS. Then again, maybe G3D's reference to A02 was alluding to the B3D numbers, but mistakenly thinking Vegetto was talking about the core, when it seems he was talking about the card. Or maybe everyone's as clueless as me about this whole mess. ;P

I think that this is what the dude meant when he said "The downside from a rumor is that often peope are starting to imagine stuff."

All the "I think's" and the "if's" , "perhaps", and the ever popular "maybeees" just add up to a whole bunch of nothing.
Heck, I do this too. The only thing that gives this little tidbid any weight is the fact that he said Guru3d was actually present during Nvidia's behind closed doors presentation along with press, partners and industry analysts.

I dont think Nvidia is fooling around this go'round. See? There I go again....

 

[stardust]

Originally posted by: Pete
I think that Guru3D still thinks the FX 5900 is an eight pipeline card, so why should I trust info filtered through them? Not that they're saying anything too new, other than the "it's fast, real fast" chant we've been hearing since Anand's Feb. 24th blog.

If there's no A02 stepping, as G3D said, then perhaps the B3D numbers are BS. Then again, maybe G3D's reference to A02 was alluding to the B3D numbers, but mistakenly thinking Vegetto was talking about the core, when it seems he was talking about the card. Or maybe everyone's as clueless as me about this whole mess. ;P

He wouldn't lie now would he? what I mean is that we can trust his hints to be accurate to what nvidia has told the press in the NDA demonstration. Actually, I just think videoclone's threads have been too radical and something can maybe sober people up a bit.

 

[RussianSensation]

Woahhhhhhhhhhhhhh did you guys hear about the Ultimate Atlantis Sapphire 5200 Extreme Ultra Nvidia Edition card? It scored 29000 3dmarks and has 5,363 texel and 5604 pixel fillrates!!! 16 full pipelines...For only $89 at bestbuy. Who need NV40...eh?

 

[stardust]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Woahhhhhhhhhhhhhh did you guys hear about the Ultimate Atlantis Sapphire 5200 Extreme Ultra Nvidia Edition card? It scored 29000 3dmarks and has 5,363 texel and 5604 pixel fillrates!!! 16 full pipelines...For only $89 at bestbuy. Who need NV40...eh?

lol, poking fun at me? or.. videoclone or.. g3d
i'm not getting the reason for your sarcasm

 

[RussianSensation]

nah, I am not making fun of you at all

I just think that it is very difficult to predict the cards' performance based on speculation. Heck it would be difficult even if you knew the exact specs. Can you possibly predict who will win in the next console race between PS3, Xbox 2 and Gamecube 2? It is certainly very difficult at this point. Since we only have 3 weeks or so until benchmarks begin to appear I say we just enjoy the current games like Far Cry which just came out and relax this notion of predicting the future videocard performance which might be fun but at the end of the day you'll sit down and realize you wasted brain cells and energy because chances are we are probably way off. What do you say? I must admit though I dont blame you at all, except for the anticipation of the videocards, especially during the last 2-3 months, nothing exciting has happened on the forums so I give you credit for creating some interest as it was getting pretty boring... and telling ppl to buy 4200 over 5200 and explaining why isn't my cup of tea

 

[MrJim]

Originally posted by: klah

Originally posted by: stardust
Someone explain to me what guru3d is trying to say here?
Guru3D
What rumors is he talking about and what about encoding?

Rumor that NV40 has hardware mpeg encoding.

Thats going to be sweet if it indeed is the truth

 

[Pete]

stardust, I'm not saying he would, just that I wouldn't fully trust him to correctly interpret the facts. Meh, it was more of a snide remark because of their bafflingly late 8x1 NV30 mistake. I'm sure he's providing the goods, though beyond the stepping details, he didn't provide much news. Thanks for bringing it to our attention, though--one more nugget to ponder before the boulder is dropped.

 

[nRollo]

Of course, this doesn't really "bust" any rumours at all, it just start more.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: klah

Originally posted by: stardust
Someone explain to me what guru3d is trying to say here?
Guru3D
What rumors is he talking about and what about encoding?

Rumor that NV40 has hardware mpeg encoding.

That's a very small market... i'd rather they have two version, one with that and one without. I don't need to pay for things i don't use.

 

[Gagabiji]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Of course, this doesn't really "bust" any rumours at all, it just start more.

Yeah...

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Hardcore

Originally posted by: klah

Originally posted by: stardust
Someone explain to me what guru3d is trying to say here?
Guru3D
What rumors is he talking about and what about encoding?

Rumor that NV40 has hardware mpeg encoding.

That's a very small market... i'd rather they have two version, one with that and one without. I don't need to pay for things i don't use.

It would be more costly for you if they made two separate GPU's, one with hardware mpeg encoding capabilities, and one without.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Pete
stardust, I'm not saying he would, just that I wouldn't fully trust him to correctly interpret the facts. Meh, it was more of a snide remark because of their bafflingly late 8x1 NV30 mistake. I'm sure he's providing the goods, though beyond the stepping details, he didn't provide much news. Thanks for bringing it to our attention, though--one more nugget to ponder before the boulder is dropped.

I see what your saying Pete, but what makes you think he was "interpretting" the facts at all? It would seem to me that if you are technically knowledgable, and physically seeing and hearing the Nvidia demonstration, what would be so difficult in getting the facts straight and transferring them (to the best of his ability due to NDA) an internet web article?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Hardcore

Originally posted by: klah

Originally posted by: stardust
Someone explain to me what guru3d is trying to say here?
Guru3D
What rumors is he talking about and what about encoding?

Rumor that NV40 has hardware mpeg encoding.

That's a very small market... i'd rather they have two version, one with that and one without. I don't need to pay for things i don't use.

If you want an NV4x, then yes you absolutely do.

 

[niggles]

By the time the new cards are out, reviewed, on sale 3 or four times and go through 2 or 3 price cuts will I be able to afford one. I just picked up my 9800 Pro and love it... it does all I need it to, and a year & a half to Two years from now I will likely get the later offering. I can't speculate on something that will only make me depressed that I can't afford.

 

[nRollo]

If this is true, ATI is dead meat.

Although I usually agree with you, I don't on this one Keys.
With 9800Pros at $200 and offering the level performance they do, and the incredibly small percentage of people who buy >$300 video cards, nVidia's $400 - $500 card could offer 10X the performance of ATIs best and ATI would still retain a big market share.

Of course, if you meant ATI is "dead meat" in terms of high end performance comparison if the nV40 is a 16X1 design, well that could be.

 

[stardust]

Originally posted by: Rollo
Of course, this doesn't really "bust" any rumours at all, it just start more.

Not really, G3D just confirmed that the recent rumors that have been going around are too farfetched and he also confirmed some more established rumors on encoding. Well in my mind, its called busting ... maybe i just wanted a catchy title.

I found it interested that the PCX cards will be underclocked, does this mean PCI-E actually improves performance over AGP significantly enough that nvidia dares to lower the clock of thir cards?

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

I see what your saying Pete, but what makes you think he was "interpretting" the facts at all? It would seem to me that if you are technically knowledgable, and physically seeing and hearing the Nvidia demonstration, what would be so difficult in getting the facts straight and transferring them (to the best of his ability due to NDA) an internet web article?

Again, the fact that Guru3D thinks (at least when last I checked) NV30/35--chips that've been out for quite a long time--are 8x1 doesn't bode well for his critical analysis of what nV says NV40 is. nV said NV30 was 8x1 and would blow R300 out of the water, but that didn't quite happen, did it? I don't doubt nV can come up with the goods, but forgive me for being skeptical both of their advance marketing claims and of Guru3D's ability to relay them to me with a modicum of thought. Beyond their telling us NV40 is fast, though, I suppose he didn't say much, so there wasn't much to "interpret."

Anyway, like I said, maybe I'm being too hard on them for that one (rather incredible ) mistake.