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Some rhetorical excesses by Republicans

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I've noticed that Republicans haven't had one issue I can remember that was a disagreement with environmentatlists, a disagreement with other Christians.

Every disagreement they have I can remember pretty much was with straw men whose names begin with 'extremist', 'radical', 'anti-American', 'communist', and similar.

No matter what the environental issue is, Republicans are guaranteed to say that anyone who disagrees with them isn't 'less conservative', or an 'environmentalist. Funny, but somehow Republicans seem to get to have all the positions from 'radical anti-environmentalist' to 'very environmentalist', leaving only the crazy 'radical environmentalists' that they disagree with.

Why is that? Well, a majority of American citizens like the environment, so they don't want to be against 'environmentalists', even though they are. They have to demonize them.

And Republican voters are fooled by this simple, dishonest rhetoric.

Similarly not one religious issue has been with any reasonable people with different views. Every person who has disagreed with Republicans on any issue is 'at war with religion'.

On economics, they say not one Democrat has had any positions other than 'communist' or 'socialist'. To the disappointment of socialists, that's a lie, but Republicans fall for it.

It's sad that voters are so gullible as to fall for the rhetoric. Sarah Palin did and still does like to say 'Barack Obama likes to pal around with terrorists'.

Now that's a nice way to get around discussing the issues; just make a radical lie to demonize Obama instead. And voters fall for it.

When you watch the Republican campaigns, the rule now is to simply make a straw man and name him Obama, attacking him because the actual Obama is not as easy.

There was a clip tonight of Rick Santorum saying 'Obama has shifted from talking about freedom of religion to freedom of worship, because he wants to reduce the religious freedom in the constitution.' Nevermind the clip played right after of Obama talking about how he 'cherishes the right of religious freedom in the constitution' - gullible voters eat the lies up.

Sometimes, the Democrats do this also, for example saying Rush Limbaugh 'wants America to fail', when he said he wants Obama to fail to implement some policies.

But it's pervasive on the right - the norm.

Enough people only listen to the right's messaging and fall for it that they accept the lies, and it's harmful to our democracy.

People can correct them all day, and not get to talk to many, many voters on the right.

I don't think many Republicans go to mediamatters.ord and read the corrections.

I invite Republicans who want to debate this to point me to a link of any speech talking about Obama by any candidate this year, and I'll look for examples of this.

I'll do it for the first link, maybe more. Can you find one not doing these straw men?

It's a very cheap lie to demonize Democrats this way, instead of discuss the issues.

I was also just listening to Santorum attack Obama for 'opposing the pipeline there is no reason to oppose', saying the reason is Obama siding with 'radical environmetalists'. No metion of how Republicans politicized this not by discussing the issue, but by forcing Obama to make an approval decision right now, and Obama said 'some changes are needed', so that Repbulicans could make this phone attack.

In fact, is there one major issue being reasonably discussed in the campaign of any of these candidates (except Ron Paul, I don't want another tedious Ron Paul thread).

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Craig is an idiot.

See if we had the new "flowchart" rules I wouldn't be able to express what everyone else is thinking.
 
Every disagreement they have I can remember pretty much was with straw men whose names begin with 'extremist', 'radical', 'anti-American', 'communist', and similar.

And of course you have never called anyone on "the right" "extremist", "radical" or "anti-American".

You even once claimed Michael Moore is center-right.
 
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Questions:

Are rhetorical excesses bad by their nature?
If yes then does not the standard apply universally?
If not why, who should make the standard, and what grants them exclusivity in judgement?
 
Oh wow. A Republican bashing thread by Craig. How unusual.

Apparently you didn't read the OP. Craig applied this to the Democrats as well, but didn't expand upon that. In the interest of actually having a discussion here, can anyone point out where Craig is wrong? Can you provide a counter-example to what he's saying (mostly) about the Republicans?
 
Apparently you didn't read the OP. Craig applied this to the Democrats as well, but didn't expand upon that. In the interest of actually having a discussion here, can anyone point out where Craig is wrong? Can you provide a counter-example to what he's saying (mostly) about the Republicans?

Ponder this quote from Ahab to Starbuck.

All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event — in the living act, the undoubted deed — there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough. He tasks me; he heaps me; I see in him outrageous strength, with an inscrutable malice sinewing it. That inscrutable thing is chiefly what I hate; and be the white whale agent, or be the white whale principle, I will wreak that hate upon him. Talk not to me of blasphemy, man; I'd strike the sun if it insulted me. For could the sun do that, then could I do the other; since there is ever a sort of fair play herein, jealousy presiding over all creations. But not my master, man, is even that fair play. Who's over me? Truth hath no confines.
 
Apparently you didn't read the OP. Craig applied this to the Democrats as well, but didn't expand upon that. In the interest of actually having a discussion here, can anyone point out where Craig is wrong? Can you provide a counter-example to what he's saying (mostly) about the Republicans?

No, he didnt. Here's what he said about Dems:

Sometimes, the Democrats do this also, for example saying Rush Limbaugh 'wants America to fail', when he said he wants Obama to fail to implement some policies.

It's a very cheap lie to demonize Democrats this way, instead of discuss the issues.

What do you supposed he means by instead of discuss the issues(which would be the topic title)?
 
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Holy Crap! I need to talk to my companies accountant!! we just made 1 million dollars investing in equipment, computers, etc...and now your telling me its worthless!!

some heads are going to roll!
 
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Holy Crap! I need to talk to my companies accountant!! we just made 1 million dollars investing in equipment, computers, etc...and now your telling me its worthless!!

some heads are going to roll!

I have no idea what you're trying to say.
 
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