Some *REFURB* SFF i5-6500 (Skylake quad-core) desktop units, one for $250 with 1TB HDD, one for $280 with 256GB SSD+HDD @ Newegg (marketplace)

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(Please note that neither one of these units is sold by Newegg themselves, they are sold by marketplace sellers.)

Dell Optiplex 5040 SFF i5-6500 3.2GHz 8GB RAM 1TB HDD Windows 10 Home $259.50


Refurbished HP Desktop Computer ProDesk 600 G2 Intel Core i5 6th Gen 6500 (3.20 GHz) 8 GB DDR4 256 GB SSD + 500 GB HDD Windows 10 Pro 64-bit $279.99



Good news, Skylake refurbs are finally dropping under $300 retail. If you're looking for a gaming PC cheap, you could (likely, haven't actually tried it with these models) get one of these, and drop in a GTX 1650 D6 LP card (Gigabyte makes a GDDR6 LP variant now) for another $160-180, and get a somewhat respectable gaming PC with a quad-core Skylake CPU for under $500.

Edit: Honestly, there's really no substantial (not even noticable, really) difference, between Skylake, Kaby Lake, Coffee Lake, and 9th and 10th-Gen Intel Core parts. All 14nm (+, ++, +++, etc.), all -lake architecture (started with Skylake), all virtually the same IPC and performance (*). If you're an "average / casual gamer", and not a "competetive / high-FPS gamer", then one of these boxes should suit you just fine, or if you know a friend that wants to get into PC gaming, but doesn't have the "PCMR Big Bux" to go all-out, these are for you. Now, unlike that other Haswell i5-4570 / 8GB DDR3 / 500GB HDD deal, that I found originally for $110, which I did personally purchase, and go out and refurbish into a pair of gaming rigs (well, haven't built the second one yet, may do that today), I haven't purchased these. So possibly there are some "gotchas". I don't know.

Also, it goes without saying, no OC on these SFF rigs.

(*) Some of the later chips are more than 4C, that's basically the difference. The amount of games that requires effectively more than 4C, is a pretty short list so far. There are a few.

I would probably personally go with the SSD + HDD rig for $280, just because. The fact that the other one, only has two expansion slots, I don't know what the inside looks like, sometimes OEMs are stupid and put the PCI-E x16 slot on the "wrong side", so a double-wide video card won't fit. I hope that's not the case, but I haven't fully verified it.

Edit: And also, if you opted for the earlier, cheaper deal, on the Haswell i5-4570 and souped that up, don't feel too bad here. Between 4C Haswell, and 4C Skylake, there was maybe a 10-12% IPC uplift (I think that I'm being overly-generous here, some things didn't see much difference). But... since the most powerful SFF video card, except for "Professional" cards which I'm not intimately familiar with, is a GDDR6 GTX 1650 LP made by Gigabyte, you're not really missing much in the CPU dept, because most likely, you'll be GPU bottle-necked ANYWAYS. (The GTX 1650, even with GDDR6, isn't that fast of a card. Basically, around or maybe 10-20% under an RX 580, which is considered to be basically a 60FPS 1080P graphics card in its 4GB GDDR5 variant.)

TL;DR: Buy one of these, preferably the one with the SSD and the four expansion slots, and get a GTX 1650 LP 4GB video card, and you can have yourself a BASIC gaming PC. For under $500 total.

 
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Between the two of them, the HP will not have an issue with double width cards, while the Dell may as yet again they placed the x16 slot almost right up against the power supply. They seem to do this regularly on their sff optiplex units, so you would need a 1x lp card which is more rare than even just a lp version.
 

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Between the two of them, the HP will not have an issue with double width cards

You did notice both are half height PCI-E right?
There are only a few half height video cards to begin with, and not many half height addon cards.

I dont think either will have an issue with adding on a half height video card.
 
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