Some quotes relevant to the Occupy movement

[homercles337]

Laissez-faire capitalism worked quite well the only time (after Jackson until a few days before Buchanan left office) this country was anywhere close to it. The ones who wanted government intervention were the corporatist Henry Clay Whigs who were National Socialists.

I see you are fond of reinventing history. Conservatives love doing that shit because historically they are always wrong.

 

[Matt1970]

The great corporations which we have grown to speak of rather loosely as trusts are the creatures of the State, and the State not only has the right to control them, but it is duty bound to control them wherever the need of such control is shown.

Our Government has proved time and time again that they can't even control themselves much less a Corporation. Even the corporations they created needed to be bailed out.

 

[Ldir]

Our Government has proved time and time again that they can't even control themselves much less a Corporation. Even the corporations they created needed to be bailed out.

Corporations have proved time and time again they can't control themselves. I guess the only option you leave is banishing corporations.

 

[Matt1970]

Corporations have proved time and time again they can't control themselves. I guess the only option you leave is banishing corporations.

For every corrupt Corporation there is probably 50 good ones. I wish we had the same ratio in Government agencies.

 

[dmcowen674]

Corporations have proved time and time again they can't control themselves.

I guess the only option you leave is banishing corporations.

They were "controlled" up until Republicans deregulated controlling Corporations.

To be fair Democrats did not put controls back in place when they had both House and Senate.

It's something that needs to be put as an amendment to the Constitution.

 

[cubby1223]

These are one person, from the 'progressive' movement:

Go away.

Your "progressive" ideals are a fairy-tale dream. History has proven time and time again that free markets work better than tightly controlled markets. Neither is perfect, and never will be perfect. But your vision, in my opinion, leads to total failure. There is no such thing as a utopian world.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

These are one person, from the 'progressive' movement:













These are the quotes of a 'progressive' leader. They could easily be from a progressive leader about the Occupy movement.

A century ago, the issues of the corruption of government by corrupted wealth and its harms to society was an issue as well. There was the 'progressive era' in politics.

All of the quotes above are from Teddy Roosevelt, who ran against his Republican Party because it had become to beholden to wealth, as a progressive. And lost.

But it says a lot how the issues are so similar. Which side are readers on, the people or the corrupt wealthy? We have a lot of people here foolishly on the wrong side.

Look at that last quote - it describes the Republican front-runners to a tee, "glorified pawnbrokers", Herman Cain, Mitt Romeny, also Donald Trump who still influences Rick Perry.

You can add Obama and the rest to the list... Everyone is supported by big companies or they don't even have a chance in hell to run, they are all the forerunners of the biggest companies, all that differs is what company they run for.... i mean party they run for...

Politics have become a game of who can gain the most support of the most wealthiest contributors.

If you really want to do something, outlaw lobbying and outside monetary support for candidates, don't support one over the other.

 

[HendrixFan]

let me get this straight, you want the US to be more like China?

No, the other direction since mixed works the best. We are further towards capitalism than a socialism/capitalism blend. China is authoritarian in government, but economically they are mostly capitalist. The authoritarian side does show up and tear down your business if they feel like it, but aside from that there are almost no regulations for business.

 

[HendrixFan]

Don't tell me Dems good, Repubs bad. I constantly hear "at the least some of the Dems TRY to help the middle class, while none of the Repubs even give a sh*t." Put a serious proposal on the table that targets your sacred cow donors and maybe I'll take you seriously. And intent doesn't count by the way. Only results matter.

I haven't voted for a D for president since 2000, and I won't be voting D again in 2012.

 

[Steeplerot]

History has proven time and time again that free markets work better than tightly controlled markets.

Where?

 

[Ninjahedge]

Go away.

Your "progressive" ideals are a fairy-tale dream. History has proven time and time again that free markets work better than tightly controlled markets. Neither is perfect, and never will be perfect. But your vision, in my opinion, leads to total failure. There is no such thing as a utopian world.

No, they don't.

Free markets are more volatile, so on the average they DO work better, but each dip grinds some people and businesses into the dirt.

Eventually that market starts to shrink, and corporations start to enact policies to prevent their own grinding. They start to monopolize and control the portion of world that effects them at the cost of those around them.

There has never been one puritan dogma of financial beliefs that has worked without some buffer and limiting measures.

One man may be pure, but men in general never are. There will always be some that make the wrong decisions whether by accident or on purpose. The job of the people is to make sure that the people don't get screwed, not that they don't get screwed.