Some questions

Smaug

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I was wondering if you folks could answer some questions for me, for a minor exit poll if you will

1.) Who did you vote for?

2.) Why?

3.) Why did you not vote for the opposite canidate?

4.) Was going to iraq the right decision?

5.) How did the failure to discover WMD affect your view on iraq?

6.) WAs there an Al-Queda Iraq connection?

7.) How did Gay Marriage affect your vote?

8.) Tell me about how your values affected your canidate
 

jpeyton

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1) Take A Wild Guess
2) Iraq
3) Iraq
4) No
5) It Solidified My Opposition To It
6) No
7) I'm Not Gay, So It Didn't Affect It
8) I Don't Support Liars Or Murderers
 

KK

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1. Bush
2. Iraq
3. Caving in to foreign leaders at the risk to the USA
4. Yes
5. None
6. Still to be determined, if there was, it wasn't a very active
7. None
8. my values didn't affect Mr Bush, as I don't think he personally knows me.
 

assemblage

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Fun!

1.) Bush
2.) Iraq
3.) He is shifty. I didn't trust how he would resolve the Iraq conflict as I think it should be resolved.
4.) Yes
5.) I didn't.
6.) I don't know.
7.) It didn't.
8.) "Tell me about how your values affected your choice of canidates" I'm not sure what Kerry's value's are since he seems to be a political chameleon. On the other hand I know what Bush believes in and his set of values come much closer to mine then what I think Kerry's are.
 

Bumrush99

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Originally posted by: Smaug
I was wondering if you folks could answer some questions for me, for a minor exit poll if you will

1.) Kerry

2.) Economy, stem cell research, we needed a change

3.) Opposition to scientific research, lied about Iraq, to far to the right of center

4.) NO- however if he had been honest and waited for the inspectors I would have supported it

5.) Did not

6.) NO

7.) I'm not racist so it didn't affect my vote at all

8.) A lot. I value honesty, integrity and responsibility. Not fear and hatred.
 

Rainsford

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1.) Who did you vote for?
A: I voted for John Kerry

2.) Why?
A: Social and economic issues. Kerry more closely matches my liberal social views and conservative economic views than Bush does.

3.) Why did you not vote for the opposite canidate?
A: I am almost directly opposed to Bush's social views, and I don't agree with his economic plan.

4.) Was going to iraq the right decision?
A: No.

5.) How did the failure to discover WMD affect your view on iraq?
A: They made me think it was the wrong decision. We went to find WMDs that weren't there. We made a mistake.

6.) WAs there an Al-Queda Iraq connection?
A: No, as far as we can tell at the moment. Could change of course, but I very much doubt it.

7.) How did Gay Marriage affect your vote?
A: I feel very strongly that gay marriage is ok, so as an anti-gay marriage candidate, Bush lost my vote.

8.) Tell me about how your values affected your canidate
A: If you mean how my values affected my choice of candidate, they did, strongly. My value system matches pretty well with Kerry and VERY poorly with Bush.
 

ntdz

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1. Bush
2. I like him, I'm Republican, I'm for the tax cuts, and I was for the Iraq war
3. b/c I like Bush.
4. At the time I thought it was, hindsight it was not.
5. Suprised me, didn't change my opinion on it
6. No
7. It didn't, but I'm against it
8. They didn't, I'm a Republican so I voted for Bush. I agree with nearly everything he's done, the deficit is the only negative on him IMO.
 

Harvey

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1.) Who did you vote for?

Kerry

2.) Why?

Bush is a messianic religious demagogue nutcase who lied about his reasons for starting a war that has killed tens of thousands of people, run the U.S into record deficits that will take generations to pay, legislated to the benefit of the rich and profited by spreading fear and hatred of others, including U.S. citizens who don't conform to their own anal belief system. :|

3.) Why did you not vote for the opposite canidate?

Bush is a messianic religious demagogue nutcase who lied about his reasons for starting a war that has killed tens of thousands of people, run the U.S into record deficits that will take generations to pay, legislated to the benefit of the rich and profited by spreading fear and hatred of others, including U.S. citizens who don't conform to their own anal belief system. :|

4.) Was going to iraq the right decision?

Is there really a question, here? :roll:

The Bush administration lied to the American public about why they launched a useless, elective war that has killed tens of thousands of people, and they spent us into trillions of dollars of debt that will remain a burden on our society for generations to come. They did so while offering continuously shifting alleged reasons for this actions:
  • There was no yellow cake uraniium in Niger.
  • There were no aluminum tubes capable of being used in centrifuges process nuclear material.
  • There were no facilities for making nerve gas or biological weapons.
  • There were no long range rockets.
  • There were no WMD's.
The most recent reports from the CIA and every other credible source states conclusively that Saddam did not have any biological or chemical weapons hidden anywhere in Iraq prior to the invasion. The most they found was possible residue from old, abandoned sites. From CNN
Report: No WMD stockpiles in Iraq

CIA: Saddam intended to make arms if sanctions ended

Thursday, October 7, 2004 Posted: 10:50 AM EDT (1450 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Saddam Hussein did not possess stockpiles of illicit weapons at the time of the U.S. invasion in March 2003 and had not begun any program to produce them, a CIA report concludes.


In fact, the long-awaited report, authored by Charles Duelfer, who advises the director of central intelligence on Iraqi weapons, says Iraq's WMD program was essentially destroyed in 1991 and Saddam ended Iraq's nuclear program after the 1991 Gulf War.

The Iraq Survey Group report, released Wednesday, is 1,200 to 1,500 pages long.

The massive report does say, however, that Iraq worked hard to cheat on United Nations-imposed sanctions and retain the capability to resume production of weapons of mass destruction at some time in the future.

"[Saddam] wanted to end sanctions while preserving the capability to reconstitute his weapons of mass destruction when sanctions were lifted," a summary of the report says.

Duelfer, testifying at a Senate hearing on the report, said his account attempts to describe Iraq's weapons programs "not in isolation but in the context of the aims and objectives of the regime that created and used them."

"I also have insisted that the report include as much basic data as reasonable and that it be unclassified, since the tragedy that has been Iraq has exacted such a huge cost for so many for so long," Duelfer said.

The report was released nearly two years ago to the day that President Bush strode onto a stage in Cincinnati and told the audience that Saddam Hussein's Iraq "possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons" and "is seeking nuclear weapons."

"The danger is already significant and it only grows worse with time," Bush said in the speech delivered October 7, 2002. "If we know Saddam Hussein has dangerous weapons today -- and we do -- does it make any sense for the world to wait to confront him as he grows even stronger and develops even more dangerous weapons?"

Speaking on the campaign trail in Pennsylvania, Bush maintained Wednesday that the war was the right thing to do and that Iraq stood out as a place where terrorists might get weapons of mass destruction.

"There was a risk, a real risk, that Saddam Hussein would pass weapons or materials or information to terrorist networks, and in the world after September the 11th, that was a risk we could not afford to take," Bush said.

But Sen. Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia, the top Democrat on the Senate Intelligence Committee, seized on the report as political ammunition against the Bush administration.

"Despite the efforts to focus on Saddam's desires and intentions, the bottom line is Iraq did not have either weapon stockpiles or active production capabilities at the time of the war," Rockefeller said in a press release.

"The report does further document Saddam's attempts to deceive the world and get out from under the sanctions, but the fact remains, the sanctions combined with inspections were working and Saddam was restrained."

But British Prime Minister Tony Blair had just the opposite take on the information in the report, saying it demonstrated the U.N. sanctions were not working and Saddam was "doing his best" to get around them.

He said the report made clear that there was "every intention" on Saddam's part to develop WMD and he "never had any intention of complying with U.N. resolutions."

At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee Wednesday, panel Chairman John Warner, R-Virginia, called the findings "significant."

"While the ISG has not found stockpiles of WMD, the ISG and other coalition elements have developed a body of fact that shows that Saddam Hussein had, first, the strategic intention to continue to pursue WMD capabilities; two, created ambiguity about his WMD capabilities that he used to extract concessions in the international world of disclosure and discussion and negotiation.

"He used it as a bargaining tactic and as a strategic deterrent against his neighbors and others."

"As we speak, over 1,700 individuals -- military and civilian -- are in Iraq and Qatar, continuing to search for facts about Iraq's WMD programs," Warner said.

But Sen. Carl Levin of Michigan, ranking Democrat on the committee, said 1,750 experts have visited 1,200 potential WMD sites and have come up empty-handed.

"It is important to emphasize that central fact because the administration's case for going to war against Iraq rested on the twin arguments that Saddam Hussein had existing stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction and that he might give weapons of mass destruction to al Qaeda to attack us -- as al Qaeda had attacked us on 9/11," Levin said.

Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, asked Duelfer about the future likelihood of finding weapons of mass destruction, to which Duelfer replied, "The chance of finding a significant stockpile is less than 5 percent."

Based in part on interviews with Saddam, the report concludes that the deposed Iraqi president wanted to acquire weapons of mass destruction because he believed they kept the United States from going all the way to Baghdad during the first Gulf War and stopped an Iranian ground offensive during the Iran-Iraq War in the 1980s, senior administration officials said.

U.S. officials said the Duelfer report is "comprehensive," but they are not calling it a "final report" because there are still some loose ends to tie up.

One outstanding issue, an official said, is whether Iraq shipped any stockpiles of weapons outside of the country. Another issue, he said, is mobile biological weapons labs, a matter on which he said "there is still useful work to do."

Duelfer said Wednesday his teams found no evidence of a mobile biological weapons capability.

The U.S. official said he believes Saddam decided to give up his weapons in 1991, but tried to conceal his nuclear and biological programs for as long as possible. Then in 1995, when his son-in-law Hussain Kamal defected with information about the programs, he gave those up, too.

Iraq's nuclear program, which in 1991 was well-advanced, "was decaying" by 2001, the official said, to the point where Iraq was -- if it even could restart the program -- "many years from a bomb."
Here's the Comprehensive Report of the Special Advisor to the DCI on Iraq?s WMD -- 30 September 2004.

Or maybe you'd prefer just the Key Findings from this report.

The Bush administration ignored any information from competent internal sources that ran counter to their ambitions:
  • They ignored all warnings about the possiblity of an attack like 9/11, despite explicit warnings from people like Richard Clark, former terrorisim advisor to Presidents Reagan, Bush Sr. and Clinton. Richard Clark also warned Bush that Saddam probably was not tied to 9/11.

    They didn't want to hear that so they did what any good exec would do -- They fired him.
  • They claimed their pre-war planning included plenty of troops to handle foreseeable problems in the aftermath of their invasion, despite warnings from Army Chief of Staff, Eric Shinseki that they would need around 400,000 troops to do the job.

    The Bush administration didn't want to hear that so they did what any good exec would do -- They fired him.
Of course, those are just some of Bushwhacko's lies. There are plenty more, but at a minimum, it would take at links to at least half the threads in P&amp;N.

5.) How did the failure to discover WMD affect your view on iraq?

It was just one more piece of confirmation that Bush is a messianic religious demagogue nutcase who lied about his reasons for starting a war that has killed tens of thousands of people, run the U.S into record deficits that will take generations to pay, legislated to the benefit of the rich and profited by spreading fear and hatred of others, including U.S. citizens who don't conform to their own anal belief system. :|

6.) Was there an Al-Queda Iraq connection?

You're joking, right? :roll: Ask Richard Clark or the CIA (see above). :|

7.) How did Gay Marriage affect your vote?

I'm not gay, but I've been in and working around the art and entertainment community for years. The entire issue of gay marriage and other gay rights has been nothing but a sick appeal to bigots from the religious ultra-right to beat up on a group that has harmed no one.

Fun-da-Mental-ists are neither. The Religious Right is neither. In their own way, they are as evil and as much terrorists as Osama Bin Laden's Islamic fundamentalist terrorists.

8.) Tell me about how your values affected your canidate.

I believe in truth. I believe in equal justice and equality of opportunity for all citizens. The Bush administraton has clearly shown they believe in none of these. :|
 

SirStev0

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1) kerry
2) voting independant would be throwing my vote away this election or worse a vote for george dubs
3) IMHO trickle down economics do not work...
also bush didnt touch social security or health care in four years...
and on top of that i never supported the war(yeh i protested it) even so it was handled horribley...
4) NO
5) i never felt they were there anyway... if they were they werent the reason we went in anyway..
6) are you serious?
7) i feel everyone deserves the rights as everyone else
8) i believe in freedom above all other things...



EDIT: ahhh... what else can i say, im a douche and couldnt post...
 

jjzelinski

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Originally posted by: Smaug
I was wondering if you folks could answer some questions for me, for a minor exit poll if you will

1.) Who did you vote for? Kerry

2.) Why? Because I not only despise the decisions (or lack there of, 9/11?) of this admin I actually respect and admire Kerry. I support the stand he took in Vietnam, I support the stand he took now. Some people will never forgive his lack of loyalty, but to me loyalty is just a contract for incompetence.

3.) Why did you not vote for the opposite canidate? Based pretty much on every significant policy decision (or again, lack thereof) of the last 4 years. I've also come to realize how dangerous it is for one party to control all branches of Government. In one of the very few remaining reason I would ever vote Republican again is to prevent a similar Democrat monopoloy.

4.) Was going to iraq the right decision? he facts, or lack thereof, speak for themselves

5.) How did the failure to discover WMD affect your view on iraq? It totally confirmed my reservations about the war. It's baseless, at least according to the ever growing plethora of justifications we've been spoon fed

6.) WAs there an Al-Queda Iraq connection? Let's rephrase it and let the question answer itself. Was there a significant connection between a secular despotic regime and a fanatically religious terror organization who's followers were being persecuted by that despotic regime?

7.) How did Gay Marriage affect your vote? The biggotry it faced futher undermined my faith in Americans as a whole

8.) Tell me about how your values affected your canidateI value the truth, intelligence, and social compasion and I find none of those characteristics held or put forth by this admin
 

glugglug

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1.) Kerry

2.) He's not Bush.

3) Bush is a stubborn warmongering fool who brought our nation to an expensive war under false pretenses, killing tens of thousands, and tries to impose his narrowminded "morality" on others. He gives tax benefits to large corporations &amp; the wealthy, encourages those corporations to outsource, and reduces tax returned to states by larger margins than even those rich see. He also is the most fiscally irresponsible gov't official of any nation ever. Only a fool would give Bush a credit card. Hence our national deficit. His administration is more than likely responsible for the largest terrorist attack ever on American soil.

4.) Absolutely NOT

5.) It didn't. I was strongly against going to Iraq from the beginning. The failure to find WMD was absolutely not a surprise.

6.) No

7.) It didn't.

8.) Moral values make it absolutely certain that I would never vote for Bush.

 

GoPackGo

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1.) Who did you vote for? Bush

2.) Why? I like his economic polices and his foreign policy

3.) Why did you not vote for the opposite canidate? kerrys post military record

4.) Was going to iraq the right decision? yes

5.) How did the failure to discover WMD affect your view on iraq? no, but why did the world think they were there for 12 years

6.) WAs there an Al-Queda Iraq connection? probably, never know for sure unless saddam confesses

7.) How did Gay Marriage affect your vote? not at all

8.) Tell me about how your values affected your canidate[/quote]
kerry screwed up lambeau field, i mean
 

PELarson

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1.) Kerry
2.) Better candidate. Moral and ethical!
3.) President Bush built his candidacy on lies and quarter truths. It appears over 50% of the voting population swallowed the lies hook, line, and sinker.
4.) No. The wrong time, should have gotten OBL first. No planning of post war involvement, and it was a given that the war would be quick.
5.) Confirmed my earlier views
6.) Not a strong one.
7.) It didn't
8.) I didn't want President Bush to continue for another four years and once I actually looked at Senator Kerry's views and life record I found he could be the right man at the right time to help this country.
 

Smaug

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I was seeing if I could find a values voter, from what it looks like to me, values are such a broad topic. The people for bush see his values as honesty, straightforwardness, and religious piety. Gay marriage may not have swong it.

One more question for you folks.

How has Iraq impacted the security of the US, before the war?

How has the invasion impacted our security?

And who did you vote for? :)
 

glugglug

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Originally posted by: Smaug
I was seeing if I could find a values voter, from what it looks like to me, values are such a broad topic. The people for bush see his values as honesty, straightforwardness, and religious piety. Gay marriage may not have swong it.
Bush has NO honesty or straightforwardness. My suspicion is that many of the "values voters" who voted for Bush are illiterate, and would never be posting on the Internet, seeing it as a tool of the devil. No, I am not kidding.

One more question for you folks.
How has Iraq impacted the security of the US, before the war?
No impact.

How has the invasion impacted our security?
It's reduced it greatly. We are more likely to be attacked now than ever before. Not to mention "homeland security" is a bigger threat than official "terrorists".

And who did you vote for? :)
see post above, it shouldn't be too hard to guess.