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Some of my friends are going to jail for murder :(

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<< I'm taking criminal law right now, and every day I grow more and more shocked at how confused criminal law is - there is vehement debate about the very foundations of liability, and yet we are throwing people in jail for life in the mean time. But then again, the relative confusion criminal law harbors, as compared to, lets say contract law, just goes to show that its pretty much impossible to satisfactorily codify morality.

my two cents.... >>



This carifies how I feel a great deal. I firmly believe what those boys did was horrifying and inhumane. I don't think the criminal justice system is always entirely in the right.
 
I say 10 years is light for the fsckers. How would you feel if that were your brother, father, or friend lying in the ground after a few scumbags decided to take a bat to his head? We were all teenagers once. There are plenty of teenagers who work hard and try to make something of themselves. I don't remember ever considering doing such a thing, and to label them as simply "stupid teenagers" is a malapropism of the worst kind.

If you can consciously sit idly by whilst your friends club another man to death, you're guilty. Perhaps not guilty of murder, but guilty. How could you even live with yourself after witnessing such an event and doing nothing?

As far as I'm concerned, there are far, far too many great people in this world who work hard every day only to have complete losers disrupt the lives of others. I have no sympathy for these people when they are jailed and become the bitch of one of their inmates.

And people say I'm a liberal...
 
Speaking of a duty to help....


In America, if I am walking down the street and I see a guy about to die because of a piano thats falling from above, and I fail to say "Hey, watch out", I'm not liable for anything. Nada. Zippo. Jack squat.

The american legal system is one of the few (I think there is only one other) where there is no duty to aid another, no matter how dangerous the predicament and no matter how easy the aid would be.

Exception to this are if a "special relationship" exists between you and the person, like a mother-father, employer-employee, or other select and traditionally recognized relationships.

But, compare us with France, where Good Samaritan laws (which require people to aid in emergencies) can punish people with up to 5 years in prison!!!!!!

You may think that our system is bad, but there are good and bad points to both.
 


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<< Some of my friends are going to jail for murder >>



That's what you get from beating man to death with aluminum baseball bats. >>




They got off Light as far as I'm conscerned. >>



You know that is true. Looks they'll do a about 5-7 years tops and go free. I have friend who murdered someone at the age of 17 and he got 25 years to life. Looks like they are getting pretty light sentences. Especially considering the brutality involved. If you've never seen someone being beaten with a baseball bat, it is a very very ugly sight and sound.
 
Millenium-

Fvck you and your fvcking friends. You've got some nerve coming on here and trying to make people feel sorry for these worthless pieces of sh!t. If it were up to me, they would spend the rest of their lives in jail. They would rot there.

Don't come on here with your little "frownie" faces babbling "this sucks", yada, yada, yada. Why don't you ask Jimmy Hill's wife how bad this ordeal sucks? It's little punks like you who end up in these situations. The little scumbags are crying for their mommies -- LMFAO!
 
Funny you should choose to attack me without reading the thread. I knew Jimmy too. He offered me a job before. My mother new him very. Like I said in an earlier post Jimmy can't be brought back but my friends can get their lives back. It sucks for both.
 


<< Fvck you and your fvcking friends. You've got some nerve coming on here and trying to make people feel sorry for these worthless pieces of sh!t. If it were up to me, they would spend the rest of their lives in jail. They would rot there.

Don't come on here with your little "frownie" faces babbling "this sucks", yada, yada, yada. Why don't you ask Jimmy Hill's wife how bad this ordeal sucks? It's little punks like you who end up in these situations. The little scumbags are crying for their mommies -- LMFAO! >>



I don't remember reading Millenium's posts and getting the impression he wanted people to feel sorry for them.
 


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<< Some of my friends are going to jail for murder >>



That's what you get from beating man to death with aluminum baseball bats. >>




They got off Light as far as I'm conscerned. >>





<< You know that is true. Looks they'll do a about 5-7 years tops and go free. I have friend who murdered someone at the age of 17 and he got 25 years to life. Looks like they are getting pretty light sentences. Especially considering the brutality involved. If you've never seen someone being beaten with a baseball bat, it is a very very ugly sight and sound. >>



Agreed Classy. The biggest fight I was an unwilling part of involved bats. I was with a group of friends in high school when a rival school showed up in their Porches and Beamers (richest district in Dallas) armed with bats and Crowbars, real brave guys since we had nothing. They sourounded the house simply because it was in "their" neighborhood. I was with my friend when they broke his arm with one of the bats. Believe me, you never want to hear that sound.
 


<< I say 10 years is light for the fsckers. How would you feel if that were your brother, father, or friend lying in the ground after a few scumbags decided to take a bat to his head? We were all teenagers once. There are plenty of teenagers who work hard and try to make something of themselves. I don't remember ever considering doing such a thing, and to label them as simply "stupid teenagers" is a malapropism of the worst kind.

If you can consciously sit idly by whilst your friends club another man to death, you're guilty. Perhaps not guilty of murder, but guilty. How could you even live with yourself after witnessing such an event and doing nothing?

As far as I'm concerned, there are far, far too many great people in this world who work hard every day only to have complete losers disrupt the lives of others. I have no sympathy for these people when they are jailed and become the bitch of one of their inmates.

And people say I'm a liberal... >>



Ok, i agree with a lot of the things that you say.. but remember, that this mans death was caused by 4 blows, not just a straight up beat down.... its not like they were standing there swinging over and over and over again at this man.. i doubt Christ Stano even had a chance to stop anything... 4 hits.. can you imagine how quick that would be.. its not like they were standing in a cirlce, around this guy, passing the bat back and forth saying, "you're turn.."..... also, this situation reminds me of a little story.. people go into shock.. it happens.. heres what happened w/ me..

I went to a lakehouse one summer w/ a/ bunch of friends, maybe a total of 15 or 20 of us at the time.... the guy that we know was in his mid-30s (keith is his name)... his parents owned the lakehouse, along w/ 4 jetskis i think, motorboat, all kinds of fun stuff..

anyways, we were all out on the lake, 6 or 7 on the motorboat, 1 or 2 people on each jetski.. i was driving a jetski w/ a girl on the back of mine.. another guy name jeremy was driving another jetski.. anyways, i stopped the jetski for a minute to tighten my lifejacket and to argue with the girl on the back about it being her turn to drive.. anyways, meanwhile jeremy is coming straight at us, not thinking about us stopping and runs right into us.. his jetski hits kari (the girl on the back of my jetski) in the back of the head and knocks her unconscious, face down in the water... took me a sec to realize she fell off cause i thought jeremy had just ran into our jetski and everything was ok.. well the driver of the motor boat, keith, saw kari face down in the water and started driving over to us while i jumped into the water to get her.... now i turn her on her back in the water and tread while the motorboat is on its way to us ( they were a little ways off when they "heard" the crash).... and this girls eyes are up in the top of her head, i coulda sworn she was dead at that moment.. blood all over the place, even the water around us is darker because of all the blood.. anyways we get her on the boat and only 2 or 3 other guys are willing to help.. everybody else is just in shock, worried she's dead or not going to make it.. nobody talking, saying anything, looking or anything.. i yell call "911" on a cell, there were a few onboard and nobody responded.. so i yell it again, and a girl responds.. she picks up the phone, and just stared at it.. didnt know what to do with it... i was busy checkin to see if kari was breathing, somebody else was busy trying to wake her up, somebody else was busy holding her on the boat, and keith was driving the boat.... the other 4 or 5 people on the boat could not do anything, they were in shock.... i had to take the phone and call 911 myself and tell them where to meet us and everything....

thats my point, this boy could have been in shock, he could not have had enough time to jump outta the truck, run over to the group, and stop them... who knows the story... but its human reaction and somethings we cannot control.. he didnt have much time to think, he didnt have time to even comprehend what was going on... its something he has to live with for the rest of his life, and that is horrible punishment in itself, i know it would be for me... i think about it all the time.... the doctors tell Kari had I not turned her over on her back she would have surely died, they say i saved her life.. I think all the time, what if i had just froze on the jetski.. what if i had done nothing?? I'm glad i didnt, but i dont blame those who did freeze.. who did nothing... its human reaction, everybody reacts in different ways... and its not their fault....
 
There is nothing at all unfortunate about people willfully ruining their own lives, its their life to screw up and if they do...they're getting what they asked for. What is unfortunate is when someone's life is ruined by another.

It seems that none of these boys actually believe they did anything wrong, which says quite a lot about why this happened. When you punch someone in the face, you can make a good argument that you did not intend to kill them. When you cave the back of someone's skull in with a baseball bat while they're on all fours, you can not credibly claim you did not intent to kill them.
 


<< Like I said in an earlier post Jimmy can't be brought back but my friends can get their lives back. >>


fvck your friend's lives; they don't deserve their freedom. the only thing they deserve is to be Bubba's next bitch.
 
Damn how sad... Jimmy Hill sounds like a nice guy too. Could you emphasize a bit more on the conflict between Jimmy Hill's stepson and the boys? I don't get why they're pissed at each other.
 


<< "Zachary Cain cried in Mark Harper's lap, and Jeremy Cain fell face down to the floor..." >>

Losers. As the saying goes "If you can't do the time, don't do the crime."
 
I just hope they put them up in a max joint and not some pansy a$$ detention center. The boys will soon be men, whether they like it or not.
 
<<thats my point, this boy could have been in shock, he could not have had enough time to jump outta the truck, run over to the group, and stop them... >>

Nobody can argue that he should have stopped them, but when a few your friends say "lets go hassle that store owner again and we will take our bats with us in case he confronts us" you need to realise you are now setting youself up to be an accomplice to an assault and in this case, murder.



Millenium, I feel for you.
 
your friends are retarded at best, beating someone with a baseball bat is best reserved for someone that deserves, perhaps a murderer or a rapist. if you do it you'd better make sure the body dissapears. any other reason is beyond justification.
 
Sandigga: i completely agree with you..

Who knows what Chris was thinking during the event... Well..the article was vague...so i couldn't really capture the details...but it seems as tho Chris was cooperating....and as though he never intended on killing Jimmy.

And for Millenium... I find it preposterous that you believe it sucks for both! Your friends (i can't believe you still call them friends) killed someone. And from what i know of you (what you have shared on the forums), your past wasn't very pretty either. I am assuming your friends behavior is similar to what your's used to be (the drugs?). Anyway...they deserve the prison. I am typically leniant with punishment given to criminal offenders. HOwever...i find the sobs of self-pity revolting. These guys are punks.....it's that simple. From what i know of the average person, they don't enjoy confrontations. These guys do. Furthermore, they enjoy violence and are quite aggressive. Their absence of a normal mind may be the fault of their genetics, environment....or just their own damn selves (continuous bad choices leads to a depleted, degenerated mind, causing habitual mistakes, often heinous, to take place).. It would be interesting to take a look at their parents. Maybe they should be sent to prison? Who knows...we can question each individual case with such questions..... However, this is not very practical. From what we know of the criminal mind (not much), it would be only appropriate to conclude that 10 years isn't too much time for what they did.
 
Hurrah!

And don't forget jailhouse justice too.. Your "friends' will be the reigning racial group's bitches soon. (Arians, blacks, hispanicsm etc..)

The fact you even refer to them as "friends" repulses me.
 
I say we beat them to death. Seriously, a stupid prank is like mailboxing and stupid stuff. Beating a guy down with bats and killing him is something else. They deserve their punishment.
-- mrcodedude
 
I agree with Squisher. Those of you whose hearts are bleeding for the future of these kids are whats wrong with America Today.
Sure it is a shame they threw a good portion of there lifes away cause they where imptetuous youths..
But with out punishment our society would woefully lost. The rule of law is the rule of law. You do the crime you do the time.

Next thing you bleeding hearts are gonna tell me is. To many people innocent or not die in high speed cop chases. and that we should not pursue. For fear of someone dying. Sure that would work NOT. then all you would have to do is make it to your car get rolling and you are home free.. BS
We have rules. And in order for society to avoid lawlessness they must be enforced.
 
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