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some observations.
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UglyCasanova
Lifer
lol
yllus
Elite Member & Lifer
I imagine SS reform will go through in the end. If you're looking at polls as evidence otherwise, well, as I've said every time - polls go up, polls go down. Unless there's a very clear-cut position depicted by polls, they're meaningless.
There'll be no further wars/invasions in President Bush's second term, though some sabre-rattling might happen (and perhaps rightfully so).
What other issues are there?
There'll be no further wars/invasions in President Bush's second term, though some sabre-rattling might happen (and perhaps rightfully so).
What other issues are there?
Steeplerot
Lifer
I trust him, as long as his cell door is locked, in jail
I think social security should just be scrapped. It is a stupid arrangement when the elected officials can make a tax dedicated to social security and then steal the money from it and use it for other purposes. I say cut off access to the SS Funds from the federal government and make it a privately run organization like the post office.
Well, I think that Bush's idea is a good one. Instead of treating the SS system like a tax, it's something that people could invest their money into and build their own retirement nest-eggs. I find it interesting that while senate democrats fight for an individual's right to choose in the case of abortion, they want to prevent Americans choice in the case of putting their OWN money in private accounts. Also, funny that most of these guys thought there was a problem with Social Security in the late 90s with Clinton in office, but are now opposed to what Bush has in mind...Hmm...
oldman420
Platinum Member
and how much of your retirement funds are you willing to gamble on govt stock buys?
and what about the huge administrative costs involved with setting up millions with these accounts?.
maybe they should make SS a voluntary program that you can refuse and therefore take care of your own retirement
and what about the huge administrative costs involved with setting up millions with these accounts?.
maybe they should make SS a voluntary program that you can refuse and therefore take care of your own retirement
CycloWizard
Lifer
:thumbsup:
This is the problem with both parties: one wants to let you do anything you want financially but restrict your social behavior, the other wants to allow you to do anything you want except with your money.
SS is supposed to be a safety net, an insurance program so that older people who have worked their whole lives can live with dignity. If we withdraw a 3rd of the funding from a system that needs more funding, what do you get, an even greater problem. Then we have the investment idea; what if investments fail. What if the market tanks one year and wipes out 10 years of growth. Who bails out those who fail?
Bush's idea isn't SS reform; its just one step closer to killing off SS completely, which is what they want anyways.
What the Dem's talked about in the 90s isn't what Bush is proposing now (and failing miserably at if I may add). Creating a system that will require borrowing TRILLIONS only to lead to greater funding problems with SS and create a myriad of new problems isn't a solution.
CycloWizard
Lifer
If you had 10% of your income back for every year you worked, would you need to rely on the government for a safety net? What do you propose - that we just keep feeding it and feeding it by raising taxes ad infinitum? If the market tanks, the growth over the other 30 years that you worked should more than cover it.
Oh, and when did a political blog become a definitive declaration that Bush is trying to kill SS? I think he probably is, but that's hardly a worthwhile source. If you want, I can start throwing up links to my own personal beliefs on my blog in support of my claims, but this is hardly a productive exercise for anyone.
Steeplerot
Lifer
This is not about 10% of YOUR income it is about the income of millions combined together w/ interest.
THAT adds up. After the boomers are gone our population will be shrinking back to sizes SS was meant for, so wheres the crisis?
THAT adds up. After the boomers are gone our population will be shrinking back to sizes SS was meant for, so wheres the crisis?
Last thing first; the link to the blog I probably should have defined; in it we have some College Republicans at a Santorum event chanting "hey ho, social security has go to go.." its amusing, though truthful for the right. Obviously Rove did not supply them with the proper way of going about it. So that was why I linked.
As for having 10% of your income back; yes, most probably would still need the safety net. Why? Because of mismanagement or because they would spend the extra 10% to make their quality of life on a year to year basis better. As for retirement, well they could either probably A) Never retire or B) Hope the government will realize they've created a jacked system in which people were told they'd make more money and live better retirements only to realize they've lost a healthy chunk of what they thought they'd have, thus they'd get more work or bank on a new program down the line to bail out this joke of a solution.
What do I propose? Worrying about things that matter right now. If we must do something with SS now, then raise the cap on taxable income thus moving any sort of funding problem off until *well* into the future (say 75 years +). After that, how about we focus on medicare and the state of our health system.
WiseOldDude
Senior member
cowards voted for him because he promised to protect them from the big bad terrorist. These people were so busy hiding in their fear that they never bothered to look around and realize that terrorists are not on the top of the list of things that are destroying this country.
The irony is that bush is also doing a miserable job at fighting terrorists. one small trophy in his case, Saddam, while bin Laden and the dangerous one continue to be free and make their plans.
Very good subject to bring up. Like SS, it would be so easy for them to also say the USPS is awful and needs to be private. What they wouldn?t tell you, if that happened, is that it would cost $5+ to mail ONE letter. No more home delivery, except at a HUGE cost. No more street corner mailboxes. You'd have to drive to a central location to drop off mail, and pick up your mail. Sound like fun? That 37 cents doesn?t sound so bad after all, now does it.
If there was something in it, for the powers that be, they'd surely try to brain wash us with the idea the US PO needs to be killed and replaced with private. But, nothing in it for them I guess. So they pick on SS. Lots of money to be made (for the banks and investment companies) and little to be gained for the retired.
True... SS probably could be tweaked and ran much better, but NO WAY I trust GW to try that. You all know he's really trying to kill it. Its been their goal since it was started, and we all know that.
no one is denying there's a problem (well, no one important), they're just saying that SS is not in an immediate crisis. Bush himself predicted that Social Security would go bankrupt by the mid-80's, so how much confidence can we put in his fearmongering? 😕
last I heard, the democrats just wanted privitization taken off the table.
personally, I just want to hear about how we're going to pay for this, and the huge medicare handout, and making Bush's tax cuts permanent, and increased homeland security, and the war on terror without faltering.
court apponitments are a big deal...and i voted for bsh and im a conservative...but i hate hs close ties to the far religous right, which i am not a part of. this is gonna put far right wing relgious loonies on the bench...which is gonna start this christain agenda crap ireally hate....also could casue sop problems withthe abortion people etc...which ...i mgaagsint abortion...but i understand and repsect pro choices side..a.nd repsect thier fight...and say..."let the courts decide"
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