Some more Tom's Hardware bashing

[Zap]

In reference to this article:
The Mother of All CPU Charts 2005/2006

I'm posting here because the article is about CPUs.

I usually try to keep an open mind about stuff and I know that some of Tom's authors are not native English speakers, but c'mon don't they even do basic editing?

Three different CPU versions were produced for Socket 754 when the Athlon64 was introduced... And starting in 2005, it will be joined by the Sempron with only a 256 kB L2 cache.

Available chipsets come from NVIDIA in the form of the nForce 3 150/250, VIA's K8T800, and the 755FX from SIS. All CPUs to date are based on a 130 nm process.

Hello? We have 128k cache Semprons and those based on 90nm process (later there is mention of that). For an article dated 11/21, they must be in a time warp to not know about the Geforce 6100, Nforce 3 250GB, Nforce 4, Nforce 4 SLI (courtesy of Epox), SiS 760, VIA K8M800, ATI RS480, VIA K8T890, ULi chipsets... those are just what I've seen in socket 754, plus doesn't any socket 939 chipset inherently support socket 754?

Regardless about claims of Tom's articles being inaccurate, having "facts" mysteriously changed, rumors of being on Intel's payroll... WTF is up with basic lack of journalistic editing to at least get the basics right?

I know, I know, most other websites lack editing as well, but that's no excuse for a high profile site such as this. This gives "Web journalists" a bad name.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: Zap
In reference to this article:
The Mother of All CPU Charts 2005/2006

I'm posting here because the article is about CPUs.

I usually try to keep an open mind about stuff and I know that some of Tom's authors are not native English speakers, but c'mon don't they even do basic editing?

Three different CPU versions were produced for Socket 754 when the Athlon64 was introduced... And starting in 2005, it will be joined by the Sempron with only a 256 kB L2 cache.

Available chipsets come from NVIDIA in the form of the nForce 3 150/250, VIA's K8T800, and the 755FX from SIS. All CPUs to date are based on a 130 nm process.

Hello? We have 128k cache Semprons and those based on 90nm process (later there is mention of that). For an article dated 11/21, they must be in a time warp to not know about the Geforce 6100, Nforce 3 250GB, Nforce 4, Nforce 4 SLI (courtesy of Epox), SiS 760, VIA K8M800, ATI RS480, VIA K8T890, ULi chipsets... those are just what I've seen in socket 754, plus doesn't any socket 939 chipset inherently support socket 754?

Regardless about claims of Tom's articles being inaccurate, having "facts" mysteriously changed, rumors of being on Intel's payroll... WTF is up with basic lack of journalistic editing to at least get the basics right?

I know, I know, most other websites lack editing as well, but that's no excuse for a high profile site such as this. This gives "Web journalists" a bad name.

Check anandtech's articles .

 

[AkumaX]

obviously Intel is the clear winner here


















in synthetics!

 

[Markfw]

See my post. There is actually a true statement about synthetics !

 

[evilharp]

Originally posted by: Zap

I know, I know, most other websites lack editing as well, but that's no excuse for a high profile site such as this. This gives "Web journalists" a bad name.

I thinks Tom's is focused on becoming the next Zdnet/Cnet (formerly ok sites, now wastes of time). The site keeps splintering off into speciality "guru" sites (with skanky models?? WTF?).

I miss the old Tom's, when reviews and integrity were key (remember the glorious articles on the P3 1.13 and RDRAM... ).

I hit the site occassionally to see if it has returned to its former glory, but it hasn't.

And for proof of bias, look at the table of contents for the article in question:

AMD Platform Troubles
AMD Code Name Troubles

Funny, no "Intel's thermal dilema" or "Intel's half-arsed P-D" pages. I guess AMD is just no darn good... clearly I am a fool for believing articles posted on other websites. Better sell my X2 and get a 820-D :roll:

 

[n7]

LOL @ THG...

Who reads their FUD now anyway?

Okay, once & a while i do for a good laugh, but aside from that

 

[CrimsonKnight]

the truth is hidden in the "AMD Codename Troubles" Heading....

From the article:

"...AMD unveiled a new and very impressive CPU, codenamed Winchester (D0), which was only available in the low-cost market segment. As such, the core made its way into the Athlon 64 3000+, 3200+ and 3500+ models. The technology it was based on was anything but low-cost, though: we would have loved to see the looks on the faces of Intel's engineers when they measured the power consumption of AMD's 90nm CPUs and realized that even under full load, this unimposing CPU draws a mere 31.4 W. This means AMD was able to reduce the power consumption by about 44% clock for clock. Further measurements taken on a specially-modified motherboard in our Munich lab showed an idle power consumption of only 11.1 W."

But ya...pretty much biased...they couldn't change the benchmarks though go AMD!

 

[Shenkoa]

THG is Intel Funded!

 

[IntelUser2000]

The truth:
1. Tomshardware is not a good site to compare on.
2. Some other sites are crappy too.
3. That's why you come to Anandtech.
4. The thing wrong with Tomshardware is that they sometimes are not able to make equal comparisons
5. When sites praise Intel, no matter whether its true or not, people say its an "unreliable" site
6. When sites praise AMD, people say nothing(well, most)


With numbers 5 and 6 I can clearly see since people who are bashing Intel don't seem to make right arguments, not being able to give facts, etc.

 

[carlosd]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
5. When sites praise Intel, no matter whether its true or not, people say its an "unreliable" site

Normally sites praising intel only say BS that is because there is no reason to praise intel, with their crappy CPU and dirty strategies.

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
6. When sites praise AMD, people say nothing(well, most)

You don't have antthing to say AMD CPUs are the best in this moment.

 

[IntelUser2000]

You don't have antthing to say AMD CPUs are the best in this moment.

That's true. Certainly I saw no point why you said that.


Look with LGA775, all that fragile socket crap. Now its rumored that even AMD will go to similar type socket, how's that for a change??

Everyone said DDR2 sucks and AMD shouldn't go for it and I think even AMD said that.

Next year: DDR2 for AMD

Normally sites praising intel only say BS that is because there is no reason to praise intel, with their crappy CPU and dirty strategies.

The thing wrong with Tomshardware is that they don't have equal comparisons(not all the time).

But then that somehow makes it a Intel-biased site

 

[Zap]

Originally posted by: IntelUser2000
Everyone said DDR2 sucks and AMD shouldn't go for it and I think even AMD said that.

Next year: DDR2 for AMD

Originally DDR2 had really high latencies and prices. Now, DDR2 latencies are down to CAS3 which is livable and prices are LOWER than DDR. 1GB dual channel has been seen for about $60 and 2GB dual channel has been seen for around $140. Of course the cheapest stuff isn't the lowest latency...