Some may have had cause to criticize Jimmy Carter's presidency...

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
To add to what I said, I'm sure there are people who actually believe what Jimmy Carter is claiming ALL believe. However, they are in the extreme minority. Carter is taking his incorrect assumption and interpretation and using it to stereotype an entire group. Talk about ignorant...

So, like I said, good riddance.

Some Religious People reject the Crap. Others embrace it. Carter is one to reject it.

Jimmy Carter is wrong with his assumption. The Southern Baptists do not teach what he claims they teach. He is blatantly twisting the facts to make himself appear to be some sort of paragon of equality, when no inequality is being taught (as long as they stick to what is in the Scriptures). There are, of course, some people who go off in the extreme and may actually believe what he claims, but like I said before, they are the minority.

Of course, you wouldn't actually research the facts, instead taking everything your hero Jimmy Carter says at face value because he is a liberal Democrat crusader.

Twisting? Who cares what Southern Baptists teach, when Jesus is used as the Source. Seems a no-Brainer who is the Authority in that fight.

You're not even reading my posts, instead just posting flippant little comments that never actually address or discuss the points I made. Which is why I typically ignore you, but your Carter comment was too hilarious.

My points are crystal clear. Jimmy Carter claims that the Southern Baptists are twisting Scripture and teach some sort of "repression of women". When in fact, Southern Baptists do NOT teach that at all, and they in fact teach what Scripture (AKA Jesus, AKA the Source) teaches on the subject. Jimmy Carter is blatantly WRONG in his fallacious claims, because he does not understand proper interpretation of Scripture.

Because YOUR interpretations are correct, his MUST be wrong.
Sorry, wrong, but thanks for playing, we have lovely parting gifts for you in the afterlife...

Do you know what hermeneutics are? Exegesis? Studying the original Greek/Aramaic/etc. to learn the proper meaning of the words that got lost in translation?

No? I didn't think so.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: sandorski
Jimmy Carter ... does not understand proper interpretation of Scripture.

Priceless ... "proper interpretation of Scripture" ... what a hoot.

Just to clarify, that wasn't my quote.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
To add to what I said, I'm sure there are people who actually believe what Jimmy Carter is claiming ALL believe. However, they are in the extreme minority. Carter is taking his incorrect assumption and interpretation and using it to stereotype an entire group. Talk about ignorant...

So, like I said, good riddance.

Some Religious People reject the Crap. Others embrace it. Carter is one to reject it.

Jimmy Carter is wrong with his assumption. The Southern Baptists do not teach what he claims they teach. He is blatantly twisting the facts to make himself appear to be some sort of paragon of equality, when no inequality is being taught (as long as they stick to what is in the Scriptures). There are, of course, some people who go off in the extreme and may actually believe what he claims, but like I said before, they are the minority.

Of course, you wouldn't actually research the facts, instead taking everything your hero Jimmy Carter says at face value because he is a liberal Democrat crusader.

Twisting? Who cares what Southern Baptists teach, when Jesus is used as the Source. Seems a no-Brainer who is the Authority in that fight.

You're not even reading my posts, instead just posting flippant little comments that never actually address or discuss the points I made. Which is why I typically ignore you, but your Carter comment was too hilarious.

My points are crystal clear. Jimmy Carter claims that the Southern Baptists are twisting Scripture and teach some sort of "repression of women". When in fact, Southern Baptists do NOT teach that at all, and they in fact teach what Scripture (AKA Jesus, AKA the Source) teaches on the subject. Jimmy Carter is blatantly WRONG in his fallacious claims, because he does not understand proper interpretation of Scripture.

Because YOUR interpretations are correct, his MUST be wrong.
Sorry, wrong, but thanks for playing, we have lovely parting gifts for you in the afterlife...

Protestants are all heretics anyway. Of course they are wrong...

Anyway, people do give Carter a lot of flak where he really doesn't deserve it. When it comes to Religion, he may not have the best of theological interpretations but it is his actions the past few decades that really make him stand out. With regards to the Southern Baptists, it seems he was just trying to align himself with the more moderate/progressive wings of their overall congregation.

 

[ayabe]

An an aside, Carter also approved what would become the B-2 bomber over the B-1, interesting bit of history some people aren't aware of.

Of course Reagan resurrected the B-1, and instead of making choices between the two, decided to produce both.

 

[CrazyHelloDeli]

Carter: Exemplary Christian Humanitarian, God-Awful President. One does not detract from the other in my opinion.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: Sheik Yerbouti

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
To add to what I said, I'm sure there are people who actually believe what Jimmy Carter is claiming ALL believe. However, they are in the extreme minority. Carter is taking his incorrect assumption and interpretation and using it to stereotype an entire group. Talk about ignorant...

So, like I said, good riddance.

Some Religious People reject the Crap. Others embrace it. Carter is one to reject it.

Jimmy Carter is wrong with his assumption. The Southern Baptists do not teach what he claims they teach. He is blatantly twisting the facts to make himself appear to be some sort of paragon of equality, when no inequality is being taught (as long as they stick to what is in the Scriptures). There are, of course, some people who go off in the extreme and may actually believe what he claims, but like I said before, they are the minority.

Of course, you wouldn't actually research the facts, instead taking everything your hero Jimmy Carter says at face value because he is a liberal Democrat crusader.

Twisting? Who cares what Southern Baptists teach, when Jesus is used as the Source. Seems a no-Brainer who is the Authority in that fight.

You're not even reading my posts, instead just posting flippant little comments that never actually address or discuss the points I made. Which is why I typically ignore you, but your Carter comment was too hilarious.

My points are crystal clear. Jimmy Carter claims that the Southern Baptists are twisting Scripture and teach some sort of "repression of women". When in fact, Southern Baptists do NOT teach that at all, and they in fact teach what Scripture (AKA Jesus, AKA the Source) teaches on the subject. Jimmy Carter is blatantly WRONG in his fallacious claims, because he does not understand proper interpretation of Scripture.

Because YOUR interpretations are correct, his MUST be wrong.
Sorry, wrong, but thanks for playing, we have lovely parting gifts for you in the afterlife...

Do you know what hermeneutics are? Exegesis? Studying the original Greek/Aramaic/etc. to learn the proper meaning of the words that got lost in translation?

No? I didn't think so.

No, sorry I don't and you don't impress me that you may understand them, where you ultimately and completely fail is that you use the bible, a great work of fiction, as a work of non-fiction. For that I am sorry.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: sandorski
Jimmy Carter ... does not understand proper interpretation of Scripture.

Priceless ... "proper interpretation of Scripture" ... what a hoot.

Just to clarify, that wasn't my quote.

Sorry - my cut and paste skills aren't the best. The credit should go to RyanPaulShaffer.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: spittledip
There have been no better presidents after Carter's time. Every president after Carter seriously lack integrity. Carter's main problem when he was president is that he was not a true politician... b/c he had too much integrity to play the game, really.

:laugh:

This is too rich.

Moving beyond the fact that you're claiming Carter was a better president than Reagen laugh::laugh::laugh, you're also saying that Clinton and Obama lack integrity, since they came after Carter.

Lefties are getting disoriented and confused with all of their spinning!

:laugh:

Who the hell is president Reagen? And you claim Lefties are disoriented and confused.

quote:"In response to a question about media bias, Cronkite said the press is not politically partisan but does tilt toward liberalism. He said that the smartest president he ever met was Jimmy Carter. "

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: spittledip
There have been no better presidents after Carter's time. Every president after Carter seriously lack integrity. Carter's main problem when he was president is that he was not a true politician... b/c he had too much integrity to play the game, really.

:laugh:

This is too rich.

Moving beyond the fact that you're claiming Carter was a better president than Reagen laugh::laugh::laugh, you're also saying that Clinton and Obama lack integrity, since they came after Carter.

Lefties are getting disoriented and confused with all of their spinning!

:laugh:

Who the hell is president Reagen? And you claim Lefties are disoriented and confused.

quote:"In response to a question about media bias, Cronkite said the press is not politically partisan but does tilt toward liberalism. He said that the smartest president he ever met was Jimmy Carter. "

Oh noes, I mistyped an "E" instead of an "A". You're really stretching here.

:roll:

As for your quote, all I can say is:

:laugh:

 

[Genx87]

Really, pulling out Cronkite quotes?

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: spittledip
There have been no better presidents after Carter's time. Every president after Carter seriously lack integrity. Carter's main problem when he was president is that he was not a true politician... b/c he had too much integrity to play the game, really.

:laugh:

This is too rich.

Moving beyond the fact that you're claiming Carter was a better president than Reagen laugh::laugh::laugh, you're also saying that Clinton and Obama lack integrity, since they came after Carter.

Lefties are getting disoriented and confused with all of their spinning!

:laugh:

Who the hell is president Reagen? And you claim Lefties are disoriented and confused.

quote:"In response to a question about media bias, Cronkite said the press is not politically partisan but does tilt toward liberalism. He said that the smartest president he ever met was Jimmy Carter. "

Which explains why we kept him in office so long. He out smarted himself.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: spittledip
There have been no better presidents after Carter's time. Every president after Carter seriously lack integrity. Carter's main problem when he was president is that he was not a true politician... b/c he had too much integrity to play the game, really.

:laugh:

This is too rich.

Moving beyond the fact that you're claiming Carter was a better president than Reagen laugh::laugh::laugh, you're also saying that Clinton and Obama lack integrity, since they came after Carter.

Lefties are getting disoriented and confused with all of their spinning!

:laugh:

I've had dumps that would have been a better president then Reagan.

 

[heyheybooboo]

Southern Baptists are dumb asses.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

Originally posted by: spittledip
There have been no better presidents after Carter's time. Every president after Carter seriously lack integrity. Carter's main problem when he was president is that he was not a true politician... b/c he had too m:laugh:uch integrity to play the game, really.

This is too rich.

Moving beyond the fact that you're claiming Carter was a better president than Reagen laugh::laugh::laugh, you're also saying that Clinton and Obama lack integrity, since they came after Carter.

Lefties are getting disoriented and confused with all of their spinning!

:laugh:

First, I am not a "leftie," I am just able to recognize integrity and a man who truly cares about the country.

Second, Reagan was the worst criminal president in recent history since Nixon.

Third, from what I have seen from Obama thus far, he may be worse than Bush Jr and Clinton put together in terms of being a deceptive and horrible leader.

Fourth, I think I have made it pretty clear I am not too interested in making friends in P&N :laugh:

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: CrazyHelloDeli
Carter: Exemplary Christian Humanitarian, God-Awful President. One does not detract from the other in my opinion.

I agree somewhat. I don't think he was that bad as a president, but he wasn't quite cut out for the job. He was a bit too proud for one thing and was probably too conflicted to make good strong decisions that are needed for a person to hold the presidency (you have to be able to slit a throat and walk away like nothing). However, I prefer his leading with his blunders than to what we have had in the last 20 years.

 

[CallMeJoe]

The "stagflation" being hung on Mr. Carter started with Mr. Nixon's Wage & Price Controls and was exacerbated by Mr. Ford's Whip Inflation Now ineptitude.

The Oil Crises were also a Nixon legacy. It's difficult to blame Mr. Carter for OPEC, organized in 1973 as a response to the Nixon administration's Mideast policies.

Mr. Carter can be held culpable for the Tehran hostage crisis, though it's hard to see how it could quickly have been resolved without losing many American hostage lives in the process. Mr. Carter valued the hostage lives above his administration's prestige.

However unsuccessful Mr. Carter's presidency, I still consider him our greatest ex-president since William Howard Taft.



I am guessing from RPS's characterizations of the Southern Baptist Convention that he does not live among many Southern Baptists. Hint: you don't find many Southern Baptists debating the finer points of Biblical translation, or agonizing over Greek and Aramaic texts...

 

[JohnnyGage]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
The "stagflation" being hung on Mr. Carter started with Mr. Nixon's Wage & Price Controls and was exacerbated by Mr. Ford's Whip Inflation Now ineptitude.

The Oil Crises were also a Nixon legacy. It's difficult to blame Mr. Carter for OPEC, organized in 1973 as a response to the Nixon administration's Mideast policies.

Mr. Carter can be held culpable for the Tehran hostage crisis, though it's hard to see how it could quickly have been resolved without losing many American hostage lives in the process. Mr. Carter valued the hostage lives above his administration's prestige.

However unsuccessful Mr. Carter's presidency, I still consider him our greatest ex-president since William Howard Taft.



I am guessing from RPS's characterizations of the Southern Baptist Convention that he does not live among many Southern Baptists. Hint: you don't find many Southern Baptists debating the finer points of Biblical translation, or agonizing over Greek and Aramaic texts...

Maybe there is something in there you can blame on Woodrow Wilson as well. Why stop there maybe Grover Cleveland has some 'slaining to do.

Maybe Carter got all those examples you mentioned, but he just made them worse. Do you remember the gas lines? Nice guy, crappy president.

 

[fallout man]

I think Jimmy Carter is a sweet old man.

 

[Craig234]

Carter had some policies far better than any of his successors, such as his taking on the issues such as energy sustainability, reversed by the servants of the oil industry later.

He had a lack of some of the horrible flaws in his successors - their lack of conscience and morality and such that led them to be fine with sponsoring terrorism, death squads, etc.

He was not the most inspiring leader, and that was not good.

A lot of his history is misremembered. His 'tell the truth to the country' speech known as the 'malaise speech' did not contain the word malaise.

It's remembered as turning off the public - but his approval actually went up 11% immmediately following the speech, reportedly.

Reagan is remembered as doing well in the debates, but it was Reagan who was being dishonest, not Carter - so people are cheering the victory of a lie.

Frankly, the right wing who attacks Carter in my experience jus does not understand the issues, so they can't give him any credit for things they don't understand.

Carter did not look that great at the time, but his successors helped with that.

Carter's policies are one big 'I told you so' for the most part.

Ironically, one of his dubious poicies is oen the right would likely praise him for - the secret drawing in of the Soviet Union to Afghanistan, backing the Mujahideen.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
:laugh:

Pass the buck, shift the blame...never claim responsibility for anything! Same old Democrat story, same old Democrat song and dance.

When things go right, YAY! The Democrats did it, they are the best!

When things go wrong, BOO! The Republicans did it, it wasn't our fault, etc. etc. blah blah blah

Can you be more of a liberal partisan hack?

:roll:

I guess you don't remember how Bush tried to the hang the massive intelligence gaff that was 9/11 around Clinton's neck. Not that Clinton wasn't somewhat to blame but Bush's CIA had the data, chatter, etc... wtf the happened?

As far as Carter's faith goes... whatever. Glad it only took him 6 decades to figure out something is wrong:roll:

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer

You're not even reading my posts, instead just posting flippant little comments that never actually address or discuss the points I made. Which is why I typically ignore you, but your Carter comment was too hilarious.

My points are crystal clear. Jimmy Carter claims that the Southern Baptists are twisting Scripture and teach some sort of "repression of women". When in fact, Southern Baptists do NOT teach that at all, and they in fact teach what Scripture (AKA Jesus, AKA the Source) teaches on the subject. Jimmy Carter is blatantly WRONG in his fallacious claims, because he does not understand proper interpretation of Scripture.

Actually as a point of historical significance... the early Church that decided what went into the new testament and what did not (council of Carthage 406... you can look it up)... well that Church still exists and has existed from 406 and well before.

Look up the Eastern Orthodox Church -- Greek, Russian, Antiochian, Coptic, etc. lots of flavors ... same Church, same doctrine, same practices since well before the council of Carthage (documented as factual).

What the southern baptists teach differs on many, many points from the orthodox church... just saying. So come down off your high horse and have a beer... you are wrong too. :beer:

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Negative.

i lol'ed.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: shiner
Hooray for religion!!!

Hahaha!

Thank god I'm an Atheist!!!!!!! WhoooHooo!

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: CallMeJoe
The "stagflation" being hung on Mr. Carter started with Mr. Nixon's Wage & Price Controls and was exacerbated by Mr. Ford's Whip Inflation Now ineptitude.

The Oil Crises were also a Nixon legacy. It's difficult to blame Mr. Carter for OPEC, organized in 1973 as a response to the Nixon administration's Mideast policies.

Mr. Carter can be held culpable for the Tehran hostage crisis, though it's hard to see how it could quickly have been resolved without losing many American hostage lives in the process. Mr. Carter valued the hostage lives above his administration's prestige.

However unsuccessful Mr. Carter's presidency, I still consider him our greatest ex-president since William Howard Taft.



I am guessing from RPS's characterizations of the Southern Baptist Convention that he does not live among many Southern Baptists. Hint: you don't find many Southern Baptists debating the finer points of Biblical translation, or agonizing over Greek and Aramaic texts...

I'm surprised that you didn't try and pin the blame for the Iranian Hostage Crisis on Ulysses S. Grant.

:roll:

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Ironically, one of his dubious poicies is oen the right would likely praise him for - the secret drawing in of the Soviet Union to Afghanistan, backing the Mujahideen.

Boy, I am glad you clarified this for us. Now I know it was Carter who was responsible for the eventual demise of the Soviet Union! :roll: