Some Low end 6000 series are renames.

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Illyan

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I wouldn't mind at all if they released a Juniper-based 6000 series part, if they bump the clocks or tune it to use less power (no PCIe six-pin?) or something, the same way I didn't mind Nvidia's 8800GTS->9800GTX. It sucks however if they plan on just sticking a new name on the 5770, as in 8800GT->9800GT.
 
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nemesismk2

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Genx87 said:
I dont know why anybody would believe that. ATI renamed the R200 a bunch of times. The 9000,9100,9100SE,9200. Guess it was a good thing the R200 was such a flop. They were able to use the warehouse for years to spit out low end products with that chip.
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I had a Gigabyte Radeon 9000 which I traded in for my MSI GeForce Ti4200 which was a much better video card :)
 
VirtualLarry

VirtualLarry

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I had a Radeon 9200, I made sure to buy the 128-bit version, which was kinda rare. Served me well for a while, until I upgraded to an X850Pro VIVO, at which point I had to upgrade the PSU as well.
 
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Problem seems to be TSMC. If AMD could redo the 5750 and 5770 into 28nm with 5570 power draw, it would be a great "new" chip. Not a fan of renaming since they can just keep the names as is, but I don't think AMD would bother releasing new 40nm low end chips. I would assume that the "turks" and "Ceicos" chips will be replacing the 5770 and 5750 price points. If this means the 5770 renames are going to be less than $100, great.
 
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taltamir

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Stoneburner said:
Problem seems to be TSMC.
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you mean physics... its not an easy task to continuously miniaturize transistors. Problems and delays crop up... eventually they make it, but lately TSMC and foundery corp have been having issues. Intel has less issues, but it still has issues, and it spends by far the most on their fabs, with each fab costing more then the previous one... latest fabs now cost 6 billion dollars, this number will probably continue to rise for future tech levels.
 
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nyker96

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the article says "it looks like ..." let's just wait and not speculate on unconfirmed 'news'.
 
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3DVagabond

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One of the listed models, 6250, has appeared in the Brazos lineup. Wonder if there's other explanations for the other models, besides rebranded 5000 series cards? Seems likely.
 
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OCGuy said:
Oh man we need to dig up the 9800GT thread. There has been so much crow eaten on this board in the last two weeks, I dont know if there is any room. Haha.
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There is still room left. HD6970 is touted as being the next 'R300'. This means 50-100% faster performance in DX11 over GTX580. :sneaky:

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Renaming is misleading, regardless if AMD or NV does it. Here is why. Let's say HD6900 series is a brand new ground-breaking architecture. AMD will market all HD6xxx series cards under the umbrella of a brand new ground-breaking architecture. If only HD6900 series are revolutionary, this is misleading to the consumers. You will likely end up with HD5770 for $85 when HD6750/70 will replace it with almost identical performance for $120. While there is nothing wrong with a company wanting to make more $$, rebrading misleads the average consumer into thinking the product is somehow a next generation/faster product just like the 9800GTX/GTS250 fiasco.

Since the average consumer wouldn't research into specific architecture of the chip, this allows the company to sell older generations of chip under the product launch of a new generation. What if Sony introduced 10 TV models as their 2011 next generation bravia models, but in reality only 2 of them were next generation? This type of marketing is not better for the consumer (although I realize a lot of companies actually do this).

How many people thought that the GTS250 is from the same generation as the GTX260/275/280/285 chips? That probably resulted in a lot of sales for NV. That was a 'dirty' marketing trick from my perspective. I suppose for NV it was a great move to sell outdated crap in shiny new wrappers.
 
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Absolution75

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I think people tend to forget that renaming has been going on since for quite a long time.

gf4 ti >>>>> gf4 mx
gf4 mx = gf2 mx

How many people bought a gf4 mx only to realize that it was utter crap? Probably a lot.


At least its not quite as bad as that - renaming low end products is cheaper than designing a new low end chip. I only have a problem when it goes into mid range/higher end products as well. At least these low end products aren't two generations behind and can actually run some games on medium.

If AMD released a 7900 that was a 6900 with a 50mhz clock speed increase, I'd be pretty disappointed. Same thing for NVIDIA, if they released a 9800 GT from a 8800 GT . . . . wait a sec :D
 
taltamir

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Absolution75 said:
I think people tend to forget that renaming has been going on since for quite a long time.

gf4 ti >>>>> gf4 mx
gf4 mx = gf2 mx

How many people bought a gf4 mx only to realize that it was utter crap? Probably a lot.
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Back in the day I bought a GF4 TI only to get a GF4 TV... This was what prompted me to save online purchase receipts (Since they can be changed retroactively by the seller, and yes I HAVE caught sellers doing that thanks to the practice)
so, anyways, the GF4 TV is a GF4 MX...

Anyways, I don't remember if I took the restocking fee hit or just resold it, but it was really disappointing. But what started out as a really good deal (low priced ti) ended up a terrible deal (way overpriced mx)
 
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Might as well drain as much money out of the low-end with renaming before integrated graphics eliminate that market.
 
taltamir

taltamir

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Patrick Wolf said:
Might as well drain as much money out of the low-end with renaming before integrated graphics eliminate that market.
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Which, seems like the new via nano with integrated S5 graphics (out now), the new intel sandy bridge (out very soon), and the new AMD fusion chips (out very soon), are going to accomplish. According to benchmarks/early benchmarks they do quite a number on low end discreets.
 
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