some LCD quesitonaries.

[faye]

Hi, i am still looking for a detail LCD comparison.

I've been to Tom's hardware and heard that a NEC 1760V is a good one.

i want to see if there is any other brands that have almost the same spec.

Actually i want a bigger size, at least 17" viewable size. may be 17.1" if there is one.

for me i need a LCD., cuz i can only fit a LCD on my desk(crt is too big, even a 15" monitor is still too big)


my another questions are:
1. there are response rate/time in LCD, does CRT monitor have response time?

2. there are ratio in LCD. ex. 350:1 400:1, i heard that it is about lumination, but i still don't understand or may be i am wrong.

3. getting a LCD, what is the best videocard to go with, i mean which connector that a videocard must have to product the best image , performance?

4. Comparing NEC 1760v, which LCD do u think it is better?

5. one day i went to a local store like staples and futureshop and take a look at the lcd display. all the shops use a "switch" so a PC can output on 6~ LCD. the result of the quality of all LCD went down. actually really bad. The text is blurry on all lcd sample: Samsung 192N, NEC, Viewsonic except SONY HS71R. my ques is does SONY make quality LCD better than others?

 

[Mem]

1. there are response rate/time in LCD, does CRT monitor have response time?

CRTs don`t work same way as LCDs so you won`t see response time listed on CRTs(refresh rate on CRTs is the important thing).

If you`re going LCD then the response time is only really important if you`re a gamer ,16ms is about the best you can get at the moment,as to best input well using DVI (if your video card has DVI) will give the best possible image so making sure you buy a LCD monitor that has DVI input as well is worth the extra IMHO.

As to size,remember with LCDs you get the actual viewing size listed so a 17" LCD is really 17",19" LCD is really 19" viewable, with a 17" CRT that would be 16" viewable in the real world and for a 19" CRT (18" viewable screen size).
NEC 1760NX,Hitachi CML174SXW both 17" with fast response times if you`re gamer,as to Sony well I don`t think they are better.

5. one day i went to a local store like staples and futureshop and take a look at the lcd display. all the shops use a "switch" so a PC can output on 6~ LCD

Not the best way to see the image quality and you don`t even know what video cards they were using,as I`ve stated using a DVI from one monitor to video card(that also has DVI) on your PC is best method,if you do use analogue(VGA) you have an auto adjust button on the LCD which will adjust the screen image to give best image quality(analogue wise).

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: faye

1. there are response rate/time in LCD, does CRT monitor have response time?

CRTs dont have responce time. They do have refresh rates. Technically, TFTs dont have Refresh rates.

2. there are ratio in LCD. ex. 350:1 400:1, i heard that it is about lumination, but i still don't understand or may be i am wrong.

It means how bright the image is.

3. getting a LCD, what is the best videocard to go with, i mean which connector that a videocard must have to product the best image , performance?

The best you can afford. Preferably DVI, reduces ghosting/lag/trails.

4. Comparing NEC 1760v, which LCD do u think it is better?

I personally think the Hitachi CML174s are kick a$$. I have one and they rule.

5. one day i went to a local store like staples and futureshop and take a look at the lcd display. all the shops use a "switch" so a PC can output on 6~ LCD. the result of the quality of all LCD went down. actually really bad. The text is blurry on all lcd sample: Samsung 192N, NEC, Viewsonic except SONY HS71R. my ques is does SONY make quality LCD better than others?

No Sony dont make the best TFTs. Or Samsung. They are all about the same really (apart from specs, i mean quality, service, ect)

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: faye
Hi, i am still looking for a detail LCD comparison.

I've been to Tom's hardware and heard that a NEC 1760V is a good one.

i want to see if there is any other brands that have almost the same spec.

Actually i want a bigger size, at least 17" viewable size. may be 17.1" if there is one.

for me i need a LCD., cuz i can only fit a LCD on my desk(crt is too big, even a 15" monitor is still too big)


my another questions are:
1. there are response rate/time in LCD, does CRT monitor have response time?

2. there are ratio in LCD. ex. 350:1 400:1, i heard that it is about lumination, but i still don't understand or may be i am wrong.

3. getting a LCD, what is the best videocard to go with, i mean which connector that a videocard must have to product the best image , performance?

4. Comparing NEC 1760v, which LCD do u think it is better?

5. one day i went to a local store like staples and futureshop and take a look at the lcd display. all the shops use a "switch" so a PC can output on 6~ LCD. the result of the quality of all LCD went down. actually really bad. The text is blurry on all lcd sample: Samsung 192N, NEC, Viewsonic except SONY HS71R. my ques is does SONY make quality LCD better than others?

1. The response time on an lcd is the time it take to go from one color to another then back usually white/black/white
2. The 400:1 is the contrast ratio and represents the ratio of the intensity of the brightest white and the darkest black of the monitor.
3. Since monitors have a native resolution you should make sure your card can drive that resolution. If you game this will come into
play because FPS drop with increases in resolution.Also if you have digital output get a monitor with digital input.
4. Most of the 16ms LCDs are the exact same panel (NEC, Hitachi, Viewsonic) so you will see no difference in performance.
5. Sony LCDs suck. The response times are slower, they are not as bright, and have lower contrast ratios.

The only other thing to consider is the 172T which has a slightly higher response times (20ms) but have better color.

 

[dpm]

Originally posted by: BoomAM

Originally posted by: faye[/I

4. Comparing NEC 1760v, which LCD do u think it is better?

I personally think the Hitachi CML174s are kick a$$. I have one and they rule.

The Hitachi is a damn nice screen at that price, but doesn't it use the exact panel as the NEC? The only difference is DVI input, although I think the 1760nx has that too.

 

[Mem]

Just a quick follow up on contrast ratio.

Contrast Ratio - The contrast ratio measures the difference in the intensity of light between the darkest black and lightest white. The contrast ratio affects the readability of a LCD panel, with higher contrast ratios allowing for better representation of colors and overall image quality. Higher end LCD panels support contrast ratios of 600:1 or better.

 

[faye]

my friend jsut bought a NEC 1760V, the foot print of the LCD is quite big but still reasonable for an LCD.

the color is quite good. 450:1 ratio.

so is this ratio reasonable? what about CRT monitors? do they have color ratio too?

when he play games, he said there is lag in the games.

he plays those sport games, so the image is quite bright, not like Halflife or Quake(the screen/image is darker)
so, is it a setting problem or all LCD has this problem?

 

[BoomAM]

If he has the ability, then ask him to use the DVI connectors. And try pushing the brightness on the TFTs OSD to max.

 

[Kingofcomputer]

forget about 1760V.
for $10-20 more, you can buy 1760NX.

 

[faye]

Originally posted by: Kingofcomputer
forget about 1760V.
for $10-20 more, you can buy 1760NX.

what is so good about 1760NX? still has 450:1 and 16ms ?

edit: now what i see the difference under necdisplay.com is just the "Input Video Signal". anything else? what is it anyways?

 

[tomcas1]

Samsung wins hands down. Forget the specs and just trust your eyes. After going to several local stores with a Nokia screen tester CD in hand and doing side-by-side comparisons nothing could even come close to the sharpness of the Samsung. Even the highest price Sony could not match the sharpness. Keep in mind I did not test for ghosting since they kind of frown on gaming and movies at work. Surprisingly the analog input models performed as well as the digital input models once the image lock (Sony calls it something else) was fine-tuned. Also, be prepared to use it in the native resolution or you will degrade your image cause of the pixel interpolation.
If this means changing your default text and icon sizes then do it. In my case the company chose to treat me to the 19" Samsung that had the same native resolution but with just slightly larger pixel size. I had a hell of a time convincing the boss the lower priced Samsung with the lesser specs was better than the Sony. Luckily, I was vindicated when PC World or Magazine ran a test on LCDs a couple of months ago, which essentially exposed the whole brightness/contrast ratio lie. Most manufactures lied and overrated their specs due in part to the ambiguity of the test standard. However some underrated their specs substantially. But the most surprising conclusion was better specs, even as tested, did not necessarily reflect on the overall image quality

 

[faye]

I went to a local computer store today, i saw so many brands which i have never heard of. Some of the brands are from Asia, anyways..

i saw Mitsubishi, Philps, Samsung, Sony.. Eso...

My questions when i saw the specs of the LCD, they just show the lowest Response time. so i ask them do they have 16ms lcd, they said we only have <6ms. which surprised me. Can i find a good respond rate based on the lowest response time?

the max contrast ratio i saw is 750:1 !!! compare to Sony 400:1or NEC 450:1(mitsubishi)

The most expsensive LCD i saw is Mitsubishi
the lowest respond time and cheapest is Phillips

Now, which brand should i consider?
I don't see NEC anymore. they saw NEC uses the lower line of Mitsubishi panel. so if i want NEC, i should consider Mitsubishi. but Mit is the most expensive.

 

[Mem]

faye,the 16ms is from black to white and back to black again,however the real grey to grey response time in the real world is more important and you`ll find all LCDs will have longer response times then the 16ms black to black.

Contrast ratio is a bit misleading since in theory the higher figure should be better but in the real world it`s down to your eyes,also it`s not uncommon for some LCDs with lower contrast ratio to actually look better then some LCDs with higher rated contrast ratio.

The final call is down to your eyes,btw far as I know there`s still no faster response times then 16ms ( black to black) for LCDs at present so the 6ms is a load of bull IMHO.

 

[faye]

most of the time, people use the average respond time 16ms, but here in HK, people use the lowest respond time as standard. they don't talk about the"typical/average" respond time...

so the time i ask them about 16ms, they laugh me back. and this is why i am toasted. The standard i use is not the standard here.

 

[Kingofcomputer]

The monitor company is now called NEC-Mitsubishi.
Mitsubishi line in the US is for retail chain stores (Best Buy for example), 1 year warranty only, retail price is even higher than NEC you could buy online.

So-called 4ms or 6ms LCD is BS! it's actually the 4+12ms panel or 6+19ms LCD.

Philips uses same panel as LG, it's called LG-Philips panel.
In some countries, you can only find LG, in some other countries, you can only find Philips.

Eizo is the best.

 

[Kingofcomputer]

1760NX is better buy than 1760V, with DVI input and DVI cable, the price difference is almost less than buying a DVI cable alone.

Hitachi 174, Viewsonic VP171, Planar, Benq, etc all use the same Acer 16ms panel as NEC 1760 series.
If you like LCD using this panel, buy either one is ok, just consider on the price and warranty.

 

[faye]

Kingofcomputer, can u be more specific on the models of the brand?

the standard they use in HK is just 4 to 6ms. I know I know, even myself was using the typical response time as reference(ex 16ms) but here in HK i think they use the "best" response rate as standard. therefore i couldn't compare.

I want to buy a good LCD for gaming and for text. I can't buy a CRT monitor( too big,)

I know there are so many good brand out there, but some brands doesn't exist in HK. therefore i need to find a good brand also i need it available. I don't see NEC(i know there is NEC in HK, but all sold out), only Mitsubishi, i believe it is the most expensive. I don't know if it is worth it. FOr example, it costs $180USD more than any of the LCD.

 

[BoomAM]

Originally posted by: faye
I want to buy a good LCD for gaming and for text. I can't buy a CRT monitor( too big,)

Hitachi CML174 series. Either the CML174SXW(White) or CML174SXWB (Black).
I have the white one, its excellent for games, doesnt ghost/trail/lag at all. Its also excellent for internet browsing and word processing. Theres also a setting on it that optimise the image for text. But the default text/gfx setting is good anyway.

 

[faye]

ok, i try to look around, but i haven't seen this on the market yet.

 

[BoomAM]

Its been out for the best part of a year!

 

[faye]

anyone heard of "ComeMon"?

what i heard from it is from US. the panel is Mitsubishi's newest technology(the new panel is only 1 month old)
750:1 contrast ratio, Brightness: 350cd/m² buildin speakers(2x2w) support DVI...

heard of it? any comment?
that guy there say that this one has the best image.

comparing some LCD that has 16ms, is 10ms really important when it comes to gaming? that guy say that no human eyes can see the different in 10ms... but if i play games on a 25ms LCD. will i see shadows?

 

[faye]

A link if you are interested

 

[Kingofcomputer]

faye, I'm in HK.
I have bought over 10 LCDs in HK from last august to the present.

Tell me your budget, I'll give you some suggestions.
use www.centralfield.com 's price list for reference.

 

[faye]

Kingofcomputer, thanks for your offer.

now i am considering ComeMon L17CD, is it good?

 

[Kingofcomputer]

ComeMon, Compumon, Topcon, NPS, etc all are 2nd quality.
For that price level, you can buy Philips 170S4 or 170B4, much better in quality and warranty.
Philips has 3yr parts, 3yr labour, 3yr backlight, 2yr on-site.