Some interesting statistics on Mexico

[daniel49]

Was listening to the radio last night and I heard a couple of interesting stats that really make you think.

The population of Mexico is about 107,000,000. Which means approximately 10% of thier population is within our borders right now.

Aproximately 15% of thier working force or 1 out of every 7 mexican workers are in the US right now working.

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060516-085751-1311r.htm

 

[blackangst1]

No suprise really. We are Mexico's welfare plan. Willingly, no less.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
No suprise really. We are Mexico's welfare plan. Willingly, no less.

What part of "workers" is confusing to you?

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: daniel49
Was listening to the radio last night and I heard a couple of interesting stats that really make you think.

The population of Mexico is about 107,000,000. Which means approximately 10% of thier population is within our borders right now.

Aproximately 15% of thier working force or 1 out of every 7 mexican workers are in the US right now working.

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060516-085751-1311r.htm

Conservatives don't read the Washington Times because it "makes them think" 😉

That being said, it IS a rather interesting reflection on how totally worthless the Mexican economy is when they can't even come anywhere NEAR providing adequate jobs for their workers. I don't have the huge, rage-inducing problem with Mexicans that some people seem to have, but Mexico itself is a real shithole of a country. Which is too bad, I'd like to see a continent-wide economic setup similar to what Europe has, but Mexico would just drag us down.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: blackangst1
No suprise really. We are Mexico's welfare plan. Willingly, no less.

What part of "workers" is confusing to you?

What part of "Mexico cannot afford to take care of its own people so they send them here to undercut workers in pay" is confusing to you? 😛

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: blackangst1
No suprise really. We are Mexico's welfare plan. Willingly, no less.

What part of "workers" is confusing to you?

Oh OK I guess they are paying taxes like the rest of us, right? If an American cant live on minimum wage, how can an illegal? Answer is they cant. They get tax funded help and assistance from our government. You cant possibly dispute this, can you? Or have you ignored the reports that clearly show how many billions in tax dollars they cost us?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: daniel49
Was listening to the radio last night and I heard a couple of interesting stats that really make you think.

The population of Mexico is about 107,000,000. Which means approximately 10% of thier population is within our borders right now.

Aproximately 15% of thier working force or 1 out of every 7 mexican workers are in the US right now working.

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20060516-085751-1311r.htm

Conservatives don't read the Washington Times because it "makes them think" 😉

That being said, it IS a rather interesting reflection on how totally worthless the Mexican economy is when they can't even come anywhere NEAR providing adequate jobs for their workers. I don't have the huge, rage-inducing problem with Mexicans that some people seem to have, but Mexico itself is a real shithole of a country. Which is too bad, I'd like to see a continent-wide economic setup similar to what Europe has, but Mexico would just drag us down.

Why is it the governments responsibility to provide jobs? I never understood that. I agree it is the governments reponsibility to provide an atmosphere that is work friendly, but to actually provide jobs?

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: blackangst1
No suprise really. We are Mexico's welfare plan. Willingly, no less.

What part of "workers" is confusing to you?

Oh OK I guess they are paying taxes like the rest of us, right? If an American cant live on minimum wage, how can an illegal? Answer is they cant. They get tax funded help and assistance from our government. You cant possibly dispute this, can you? Or have you ignored the reports that clearly show how many billions in tax dollars they cost us?

I do believe you need a social security number to get things like welfare.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: blackangst1
No suprise really. We are Mexico's welfare plan. Willingly, no less.

What part of "workers" is confusing to you?

Oh OK I guess they are paying taxes like the rest of us, right? If an American cant live on minimum wage, how can an illegal? Answer is they cant. They get tax funded help and assistance from our government. You cant possibly dispute this, can you? Or have you ignored the reports that clearly show how many billions in tax dollars they cost us?

I do believe you need a social security number to get things like welfare.

Yes, however many illegals get fake/stolen SSN's (there have been MANY stories about this). Also, for many things like healthcare, food assistance, and others you dont. Just show up and receive.

 

[Todd33]

The moonie rag?

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: blackangst1
No suprise really. We are Mexico's welfare plan. Willingly, no less.

What part of "workers" is confusing to you?

Oh OK I guess they are paying taxes like the rest of us, right? If an American cant live on minimum wage, how can an illegal? Answer is they cant. They get tax funded help and assistance from our government. You cant possibly dispute this, can you? Or have you ignored the reports that clearly show how many billions in tax dollars they cost us?

I do believe you need a social security number to get things like welfare.

Yes, however many illegals get fake/stolen SSN's (there have been MANY stories about this). Also, for many things like healthcare, food assistance, and others you dont. Just show up and receive.

Wouldn't they also use that SSN number for their job? That would mean they are probably paying into things like Medicare and SS even though they will never receive it. They would also be subject to sales tax and state income tax.

I'm not saying they aren't a burden on our system but I don't think they are as large of a burden as some people think.

 

[Stunt]

More interesting information:

a) Mexicans only represent 57% of american illegal immigrants.link
b) Illegals have little impact on american wages link
c) Immigrants add productivity, consumer spending and pay many taxes

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: blackangst1
No suprise really. We are Mexico's welfare plan. Willingly, no less.

What part of "workers" is confusing to you?

Oh OK I guess they are paying taxes like the rest of us, right? If an American cant live on minimum wage, how can an illegal? Answer is they cant. They get tax funded help and assistance from our government. You cant possibly dispute this, can you? Or have you ignored the reports that clearly show how many billions in tax dollars they cost us?

I do believe you need a social security number to get things like welfare.

Yes, however many illegals get fake/stolen SSN's (there have been MANY stories about this). Also, for many things like healthcare, food assistance, and others you dont. Just show up and receive.

Wouldn't they also use that SSN number for their job? That would mean they are probably paying into things like Medicare and SS even though they will never receive it. They would also be subject to sales tax and state income tax.

I'm not saying they aren't a burden on our system but I don't think they are as large of a burden as some people think.

No. Many (certainly not all) illegals are working under the table. I thought this was common knowledge?

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: Stunt
More interesting information:

a) Mexicans only represent 57% of american illegal immigrants.link
b) Illegals have little impact on american wages link
c) Immigrants add productivity, consumer spending and pay many taxes

those numbers are old and growing by the day
http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/31/illegal.immigration/

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: HombrePequeno

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: blackangst1
No suprise really. We are Mexico's welfare plan. Willingly, no less.

What part of "workers" is confusing to you?

Oh OK I guess they are paying taxes like the rest of us, right? If an American cant live on minimum wage, how can an illegal? Answer is they cant. They get tax funded help and assistance from our government. You cant possibly dispute this, can you? Or have you ignored the reports that clearly show how many billions in tax dollars they cost us?

I do believe you need a social security number to get things like welfare.

Yes, however many illegals get fake/stolen SSN's (there have been MANY stories about this). Also, for many things like healthcare, food assistance, and others you dont. Just show up and receive.

Wouldn't they also use that SSN number for their job? That would mean they are probably paying into things like Medicare and SS even though they will never receive it. They would also be subject to sales tax and state income tax.

I'm not saying they aren't a burden on our system but I don't think they are as large of a burden as some people think.

No. Many (certainly not all) illegals are working under the table. I thought this was common knowledge?

According to Stunt's Wikipedia link, in most cases they pay into SS. They also keep inflation lower because the cheaper labor helps keep prices down.

 

[maluckey]

More interesting information:
a) Mexicans only represent 57% of american illegal immigrants.link
b) Illegals have little impact on american wages link
c) Immigrants add productivity, consumer spending and pay many taxes

The wiki article is not very accurate....

Many/Most illegals are Intended Immigrants without Documents. They come for a "vacation" with a six month I-90 and a BCC (or Passport). This method is by far the preferred method for anyone with relatives in the United States. USC 911 is the other preferrred method, though waaaay more risky as far as prosecution versus being just tossed back is concerned. Lhe LEAST preferred is EWI. This is normally employed by naive or extremely poor and ill-educated types. It is because they would have difficulty trying to convince an Immigration officer that they had something in Mexico to return to, or it is used because they have a record in their country or in the United States that would prevent their obtaining legal entry documents..

Illegals severely burden the health care and education sysyems with little payment to support them. Even paying their taxes isn't enough. Most of the income generated by illegal Mexicans (in particular) is returned to Mexico. This is like negative income for the community at large not affiliated with the support or upkeep of the illegals themselves.

Employers are lathe to use a fake SSN. Not verifying it is a sure way to go to jail. the W-9 we all sign is a must for any legit employer.

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: Stunt
More interesting information:

a) Mexicans only represent 57% of american illegal immigrants.link
b) Illegals have little impact on american wages link
c) Immigrants add productivity, consumer spending and pay many taxes

Let's say your b) and c) is right.

Maybe USA can have even more productivity, consumer spending, and taxes, if we let EVERYONE from any country to come in. Imagine how much productivity and taxes they will bring to USA, right? The more the merrier huh? Since according to you, Illegals don't impact American wages, and all they do is put money in USA?

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: maluckey

More interesting information:
a) Mexicans only represent 57% of american illegal immigrants.link
b) Illegals have little impact on american wages link
c) Immigrants add productivity, consumer spending and pay many taxes

The wiki article is not very accurate....

Many/Most illegals are Intended Immigrants without Documents. They come for a "vacation" with a six month I-90 and a BCC (or Passport). This method is by far the preferred method for anyone with relatives in the United States. USC 911 is the other preferrred method, though waaaay more risky as far as prosecution versus being just tossed back is concerned. Lhe LEAST preferred is EWI. This is normally employed by naive or extremely poor and ill-educated types. It is because they would have difficulty trying to convince an Immigration officer that they had something in Mexico to return to, or it is used because they have a record in their country or in the United States that would prevent their obtaining legal entry documents..

Illegals severely burden the health care and education sysyems with little payment to support them. Even paying their taxes isn't enough. Most of the income generated by illegal Mexicans (in particular) is returned to Mexico. This is like negative income for the community at large not affiliated with the support or upkeep of the illegals themselves.

Employers are lathe to use a fake SSN. Not verifying it is a sure way to go to jail. the W-9 we all sign is a must for any legit employer.

Let's not confuse things with truth! haha just kidding.

As a side note, Im sick of people saying even though they have a fake SSN they pay INTO Social Security. That's a half truth. Any unverified social security deposits are put into a holding account that never gets touched. So it's a line of crap that they contribute.

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: Stunt
More interesting information:

a) Mexicans only represent 57% of american illegal immigrants.link
b) Illegals have little impact on american wages link
c) Immigrants add productivity, consumer spending and pay many taxes

Let's say your b) and c) is right.

Maybe USA can have even more productivity, consumer spending, and taxes, if we let EVERYONE from any country to come in. Imagine how much productivity and taxes they will bring to USA, right? The more the merrier huh? Since according to you, Illegals don't impact American wages, and all they do is put money in USA?

America and all other western nations began with a poor majority with a thin upper class and no matter the population, all are just as sustainable compared to the others. I have many friends who are asian and were brought over to build the Canadian railroad; many of them are well into middle class and above. Sure illegals *might* be a burden on the whort term, but within a generation or two, their status will meet or exceed current American standards. Personally I find those who are not raised in a system of social safety nets and culture of entitlement have more motivation to succeed.

The minimal amount of immigrants both legal and illegal will prove to significantly help the US economy looking forward. And assuming b) like you have, Americans will hardly feel the effects in their lives.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: Stunt
More interesting information:

a) Mexicans only represent 57% of american illegal immigrants.link
b) Illegals have little impact on american wages link
c) Immigrants add productivity, consumer spending and pay many taxes

Let's say your b) and c) is right.

Maybe USA can have even more productivity, consumer spending, and taxes, if we let EVERYONE from any country to come in. Imagine how much productivity and taxes they will bring to USA, right? The more the merrier huh? Since according to you, Illegals don't impact American wages, and all they do is put money in USA?

America and all other western nations began with a poor majority with a thin upper class and no matter the population, all are just as sustainable compared to the others. I have many friends who are asian and were brought over to build the Canadian railroad; many of them are well into middle class and above. Sure illegals *might* be a burden on the whort term, but within a generation or two, their status will meet or exceed current American standards. Personally I find those who are not raised in a system of social safety nets and culture of entitlement have more motivation to succeed.

The minimal amount of immigrants both legal and illegal will prove to significantly help the US economy looking forward. And assuming b) like you have, Americans will hardly feel the effects in their lives.

So would you propose an open border policy? What about the foreigner who shows up to immigration from a flight from <insert country here> and says, Sorry, I dont have a visa, but I really just want to work hard! Let him pass? Where do you folks who support amnesty draw the line?

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: Stunt
More interesting information:

a) Mexicans only represent 57% of american illegal immigrants.link
b) Illegals have little impact on american wages link
c) Immigrants add productivity, consumer spending and pay many taxes

Let's say your b) and c) is right.

Maybe USA can have even more productivity, consumer spending, and taxes, if we let EVERYONE from any country to come in. Imagine how much productivity and taxes they will bring to USA, right? The more the merrier huh? Since according to you, Illegals don't impact American wages, and all they do is put money in USA?

America and all other western nations began with a poor majority with a thin upper class and no matter the population, all are just as sustainable compared to the others. I have many friends who are asian and were brought over to build the Canadian railroad; many of them are well into middle class and above. Sure illegals *might* be a burden on the whort term, but within a generation or two, their status will meet or exceed current American standards. Personally I find those who are not raised in a system of social safety nets and culture of entitlement have more motivation to succeed.

The minimal amount of immigrants both legal and illegal will prove to significantly help the US economy looking forward. And assuming b) like you have, Americans will hardly feel the effects in their lives.

So would you propose an open border policy? What about the foreigner who shows up to immigration from a flight from <insert country here> and says, Sorry, I dont have a visa, but I really just want to work hard! Let him pass? Where do you folks who support amnesty draw the line?

Of course there are extremes; absorbing 300million unskilled people into a country would definately throw it off. But you are using a hurricane as an example why it shouldn't rain.

At current levels, the american lifestyle is seeing few effects from illegal immigrants yet will be the driving force behind America's continued growth and prosperity. Just think how wealthier the US will be when millions more people start living as well as most americans.

 

[Steeplerot]

/sarcasm Thats all fine and good Stunt, but the only point that matters is that they used a illegal means to an end. errrr oh wait. nm.



*yawn* same bigots in here whining about "dem brown skinned peoples takin mah tax munahs!"

What hole do you haters live in to be so uneducated about our culture? Get out sometime people. Do you even live in the same country? ugh. (please, go visit somewhere else then the wherever that is rotting your soul, maybe somewhere not so white and angsty?)

Leave the freakin people alone who are trying to put food on their family or whatever you call it.

I always wondered what happened to the freaky little psychopath kid we all knew that pulled the wings off of insects and cackled, they must be the dittoheads now.

^Above half asleep musings were not directed at Stunt or any other Cannuck

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: blackangst1

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: babylon5

Originally posted by: Stunt
More interesting information:

a) Mexicans only represent 57% of american illegal immigrants.link
b) Illegals have little impact on american wages link
c) Immigrants add productivity, consumer spending and pay many taxes

Let's say your b) and c) is right.

Maybe USA can have even more productivity, consumer spending, and taxes, if we let EVERYONE from any country to come in. Imagine how much productivity and taxes they will bring to USA, right? The more the merrier huh? Since according to you, Illegals don't impact American wages, and all they do is put money in USA?

America and all other western nations began with a poor majority with a thin upper class and no matter the population, all are just as sustainable compared to the others. I have many friends who are asian and were brought over to build the Canadian railroad; many of them are well into middle class and above. Sure illegals *might* be a burden on the whort term, but within a generation or two, their status will meet or exceed current American standards. Personally I find those who are not raised in a system of social safety nets and culture of entitlement have more motivation to succeed.

The minimal amount of immigrants both legal and illegal will prove to significantly help the US economy looking forward. And assuming b) like you have, Americans will hardly feel the effects in their lives.

So would you propose an open border policy? What about the foreigner who shows up to immigration from a flight from <insert country here> and says, Sorry, I dont have a visa, but I really just want to work hard! Let him pass? Where do you folks who support amnesty draw the line?

edit: How about answering the question? Do you think we need to relax the current requirements for LEGAL immigration? Or enforce the laws we already have? Or do you even know what it required for immigration?

 

[Stunt]

Originally posted by: blackangst1
edit: How about answering the question? Do you think we need to relax the current requirements for LEGAL immigration? Or enforce the laws we already have? Or do you even know what it required for immigration?

I clearly answered your question.

Current rates of illegal immigration are sustainable and should not concern Americans. All legislation should prevent unsustainable numbers of people coming into the country, but you are not in that situation.

 

[blackangst1]

Originally posted by: Stunt

Originally posted by: blackangst1
edit: How about answering the question? Do you think we need to relax the current requirements for LEGAL immigration? Or enforce the laws we already have? Or do you even know what it required for immigration?

I clearly answered your question.

Current rates of illegal immigration are sustainable and should not concern Americans. All legislation should prevent unsustainable numbers of people coming into the country, but you are not in that situation.

Yeah I guess you are right. Amnesty worked last time, and our country can easily receive 500,000 illegals per year without affecting Americans.

/sarcasm off
http://www.cis.org/articles/2000/ins1986amnesty.html