Some idiot on CNN compared SARS to cancer and AIDS (and: don't go to Toronto!)

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and: don't go to Toronto!

Idiot

 

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[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Will it destroy society like in The Stand? No, but we're going to get a repeat of the Spanish flu of 1918-1919, where 500,000 in the US died, and 20million worldwide died. And it would actually be worst. Medical experts see SARs as very similar to the Spanish flu... both in it's structure and the way it's spreading (just like back then, there were no treatments for it, and no treatment now).

You're not trying to say that 500,000 people in the US are going to die from SARS are you? That's ridiculous.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Will it destroy society like in The Stand? No, but we're going to get a repeat of the Spanish flu of 1918-1919, where 500,000 in the US died, and 20million worldwide died. And it would actually be worst. Medical experts see SARs as very similar to the Spanish flu... both in it's structure and the way it's spreading (just like back then, there were no treatments for it, and no treatment now).

You're not trying to say that 500,000 people in the US are going to die from SARS are you? That's ridiculous.

Why?

 

[Looney]

Hey, weren't you the idiot that was whining about flaming on the boards? That people weren't debating on the merit of the posts but calling names instead?

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Hey, weren't you the idiot that was whining about flaming on the boards? That people weren't debating on the merit of the posts but calling names instead?

Yes, I am.


What did I say to you that was offensive? I did not call you any names, nor did I say anything to you that was meant to offend you. Now why are you getting personal and calling ME an idiot?

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Hey, weren't you the idiot that was whining about flaming on the boards? That people weren't debating on the merit of the posts but calling names instead?

Yes, I am.


What did I say to you that was offensive? I did not call you any names, nor did I say anything to you that was meant to offend you.

You didn't look like you were debating on the merits of the posts... just giving one of those 'opinions' you don't like.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
You're not trying to say that 500,000 people in the US are going to die from SARS are you? That's ridiculous.

Why?[/quote]

The notion that 500,000 people are going to die in an outbreak of SARS is a bit far-fetched, like a doomsday scenario.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
You're not trying to say that 500,000 people in the US are going to die from SARS are you? That's ridiculous.

Why?

The notion that 500,000 people are going to die in an outbreak of SARS is a bit far-fetched, like a doomsday scenario.[/quote]

Why? It happened in 1918-1919... and that was before we had international travel that only took hours.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

You didn't look like you were debating on the merits of the posts... just giving one of those 'opinions' you don't like.

I specifically pointed out the statement you made that sounded far fetched. I didn't break away from your idea and start calling you dumb, or an idiot, or anything of the sort.

You just got personally offended when I attacked your point. But I did not attack YOU, just your point.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

You didn't look like you were debating on the merits of the posts... just giving one of those 'opinions' you don't like.

I specifically pointed out the statement you made that sounded far fetched. I didn't break away from your idea and start calling you dumb, or an idiot, or anything of the sort.

You just got personally offended when I attacked your point. But I did not attack YOU, just your point.

Hmmm that sure seems like an 'opinion' and not a discussion. I clearly remember the title of your post had something to do with 'opinionated people'.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Why? It happened in 1918-1919... and that was before we had international travel that only took hours.

Yeah, and it was also 1918...

Look at the great strides in healthcare that have been made since then. We don't have the cure for SARS, but we are still able to give medicine to treat the symptoms, and give nutrition, and get rid of fevers, put people on life support, etc. We can't defeat the germ itself, but we can take care of the germ's effects.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

You just got personally offended when I attacked your point. But I did not attack YOU, just your point.

Hmmm that sure seems like an 'opinion' and not a discussion. I clearly remember the title of your post had something to do with 'opinionated people'.[/quote]

You are getting personally offended by my point. You are crossing the line by letting personal emotion interfere with the topic at hand.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

You just got personally offended when I attacked your point. But I did not attack YOU, just your point.

Hmmm that sure seems like an 'opinion' and not a discussion. I clearly remember the title of your post had something to do with 'opinionated people'.[/quote]

You are getting personally offended by my point. You are crossing the line by letting personal emotion interfere with the topic at hand.


By the way, I still have not said any personal insults, yet you already have thrown personal insults at me, calling me an idiot.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Hmmm that sure seems like an 'opinion' and not a discussion. I clearly remember the title of your post had something to do with 'opinionated people'.

No. I was strictly sticking to the point at hand here. I was not giving an overview of what I think of this epidemic or the travel advisories to Toronto or anything of the sort. I was strictly addressing your point about how many deaths in the US will be attributed to SARS.

And yes, there are a lot of emotional, opiniated people here. Take this discussion, for instance. I address your *point*, not saying anything personal about you, and you personally call me an idiot and take the discussion out of the realm of this thread and try to bring up totall unrelated threads.

Stick to the point. You claim that 500,000 people will die due to an outbreak of SARS. I claim that it's not 1918 anymore, the epidemic will be controlled.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

Why? It happened in 1918-1919... and that was before we had international travel that only took hours.

Yeah, and it was also 1918...

Look at the great strides in healthcare that have been made since then. We don't have the cure for SARS, but we are still able to give medicine to treat the symptoms, and give nutrition, and get rid of fevers, put people on life support, etc. We can't defeat the germ itself, but we can take care of the germ's effects.

No we aren't... we don't have a cure or proper treatment for SARS, just like we didn't have back then. Why else do you think the medical community is all paranoid about it? Every year, how many people get the common cold or flu? The flu only has a 0.05% deathrate, whereas SARS has 5%, 100x greater. And with the flu, 30% of the population are vaccinated against it. SARS has no vaccine yet. If SARS spreads like the flu, and 1 billion worldwide catch it (less than 20% of the population), how many deaths does that make? And what's stopping SARS from spreading like the flu does each year? Nothing but quarantine.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Marshallj

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

You just got personally offended when I attacked your point. But I did not attack YOU, just your point.

Hmmm that sure seems like an 'opinion' and not a discussion. I clearly remember the title of your post had something to do with 'opinionated people'.

You are getting personally offended by my point. You are crossing the line by letting personal emotion interfere with the topic at hand.


By the way, I still have not said any personal insults, yet you already have thrown personal insults at me, calling me an idiot.[/quote]

Why is it you always think people are personally offended when they don't agree with you? I just find it funny that last week you were whining about opinionated people that didn't stick to the topic of discussion... and here you are, giving an opinion instead of the proper debate you were advocating last week.

No. I was strictly sticking to the point at hand. I was not giving an overview of what I think of this epidemic or the travel advisories to Toronto or anything of the sort. I was strictly addressing your point about how many deaths in the US will be attributed to SARS.

Then you obviously didn't read my post or you fail to comprehend it. I said IMAGINE what would happen if SARS spreads like the flu does each year... if that does happen (imagine is the keyword here), the deathrate would be very similar to the Spanish Flu of 1918-1919.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

The issue with SARS (amongst the knowledgeable) is the remaining uncertainty about how it spreads. If it required droplets then public health officials could quell the hysteria . . . at least for people who don't watch CNN/FOX.

My area (Research Triangle, NC) has two confirmed cases and two probable. One of the probables was a child that didn't get sick enough to require hospitalization . . . alas he did continue to go to daycare. It is very likely that SARS (like most coronaviruses) will subside as the temperatures warm. The issue that concerns infectious disease specialists is what happens when SARS re-emerges in the Fall . . . possibly with a much broader footprint as people with mild or latent disease have time to spread it to others.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic

No we aren't... we don't have a cure or proper treatment for SARS, just like we didn't have back then. Why else do you think the medical community is all paranoid about it? Every year, how many people get the common cold or flu? The flu only has a 0.05% deathrate, whereas SARS has 5%, 100x greater. And with the flu, 30% of the population are vaccinated against it. SARS has no vaccine yet. If SARS spreads like the flu, and 1 billion worldwide catch it (less than 20% of the population), how many deaths does that make? And what's stopping SARS from spreading like the flu does each year? Nothing but quarantine.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if it spreads quickly in underdeveloped countries such as China, India, and other Asian countries (India's a big one). Those countries have healthcare systems that are worse than what the US had 100 years ago. Sure, they have some technology, but it's not available to the majority of their people.

In the USA, on the other hand, we have the healthcare system in place to take care of this. We cannot stop people from getting infected, but we can keep people alive while the diseases runs its course. I do not expect 500,000 people to die in the USA from SARS.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Why is it you always think people are personally offended when they don't agree with you? I just find it funny that last week you were whining about opinionated people that didn't stick to the topic of discussion... and here you are, giving an opinion instead of the proper debate you were advocating last week.

I didn't think you were personally offended because you disagreed with me.

I thought you were personally offended because you felt the need to call me an idiot when I made no such insult towards you. You took the discussion away from the point at hand, and directed the focus at me personally.

I don't mind conversing with you about SARS, we both can learn from it. But personallycalling me an idiot when I did not personally insult you was completely uncalled for.

You should apologize for directing a personal insult towards me when no such insult was directed at you.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Actually the US would have the same difficulties as Hong Kong and Singapore. There aren't THAT many ICU facilities in America. It is a common occurence for patients to be diverted due to lack of ICU beds during a REGULAR winter. The only way any nation will be successful against SARS is prevention. The full sequence will facilitate vaccine development but a decent candidate may not be available for years. In any case . . . get your flu shot next year.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Actually the US would have the same difficulties as Hong Kong and Singapore. There aren't THAT many ICU facilities in America. It is a common occurence for patients to be diverted due to lack of ICU beds during a REGULAR winter. The only way any nation will be successful against SARS is prevention. The full sequence will facilitate vaccine development but a decent candidate may not be available for years. In any case . . . get your flu shot next year.

Hong Kong and Singapore are very modern, industrialized cities. I wouldn't worry about them as much as I'd worry about central China and India and other poverty stricken areas where many people simply do not have access to such healthcare.

 

[Looney]

It wouldn't surprise me at all if it spreads quickly in underdeveloped countries such as China, India, and other Asian countries (India's a big one). Those countries have healthcare systems that are worse than what the US had 100 years ago. Sure, they have some technology, but it's not available to the majority of their people.

In the USA, on the other hand, we have the healthcare system in place to take care of this. We cannot stop people from getting infected, but we can keep people alive while the diseases runs its course. I do not expect 500,000 people to die in the USA from SARS.

The % they got is only recently... at first they thought it was 1%, then 2%, then 4%, and now 5%. The reason why was because the first cases in the western nations were mainly medical professionals... who were young, and had good access to healthcare. But as it reached the general population, more started to die.

Fact is, the death rate is 5%, even in industrial nations. If it spreads like the flu, which there's no reason not to think it can't, then how many deaths will come to 20 million infected Americans? The healthcare system is flooded each year with the common cold and flu... and i believe something like 40,000 die each year in the US (even due to the US great healthcare system mind you) due to the flu alone. SARS death rate is 100x more deadlier, and unlike the flu where 30% of the population are vaccinated each year, there is no vaccine for SARS.

I thought you were personally offended because you felt the need to call me an idiot when I made no such insult towards you. You took the discussion away from the point at hand, and directed the focus at me personally.

I don't mind conversing with you about SARS, we both can learn from it. But personallycalling me an idiot when I did not personally insult you was completely uncalled for.

You should apologize for directing a personal insult towards me when no such insult was directed at you.

You really are an idiot if you think i'm going to do that. Instead of debating on the merits of my post like you so advocated last week, you called my post 'ridiculous' (not to mention that you didn't even comprehend the post correctly).

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

In the USA, on the other hand, we have the healthcare system in place to take care of this. We cannot stop people from getting infected, but we can keep people alive while the diseases runs its course. I do not expect 500,000 people to die in the USA from SARS.

The majority of infectious disease cases in America are PREVENTABLE with proper hygiene and health maintenance. So yes we can stop people from getting infected . . . but if they contract virulent strains of SARS we CANNOT keep them alive. The most troubling early issue with SARS ultimately produced it's name . . . it was so acute and severe even optimal supportive care was not sufficient to keep people alive . . . even if they were previously healthy.

The rules are the same as your mother taught you:

Cover your mouth when you cough, wash your hands, and eat your vegetables . . . oh and take a multivitamin with zinc.

 

[Marshallj]

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
You really are an idiot if you think i'm going to do that. .

There you go against with *personal* insults at my character. I made no such insults towards you.

Originally posted by: Moralpanic
Instead of debating on the merits of my post like you so advocated last week, you called my post 'ridiculous' (not to mention that you didn't even comprehend the post correctly)

Yes, I called your *post* ridiculous, I did not call *you* ridiculous. There is a very well defined line between *your idea* and *your person*.

I made no insults towards you. I only addressed *your post*, as I said should be done.


So I have addressed your point, and you have made personal insults at me personally. I am waiting for an apology.