Some good things from the Republican controlled house... getting rid of the czars

[rudder]

http://scalise.house.gov/apps/list/press/la01_scalise/PR_02171102.shtml

“These unappointed, unaccountable people who are literally running a shadow government, heading up these little fiefdoms that nobody can really seem to identify where they are or what they’re doing,” Scalise said Thursday. “But we do know that they’re wielding vast amounts of power.”

These czar positions have been filled by by many of the most radical elements obama could find. Some were not above lying and manipulating reports to push obama's agenda. Statutory rape, blaming the government for being the inside man on 9/11, professed communists... etc they covered it all.

blah, blah Bush had czars also... thought I would throw that in there.

 

[werepossum]

I agree that Obama's czars have often been so very radical, but in general I think a president should have the people he wants and then be held accountable himself for their actions. I do think though that these people should be under the authority of whatever cabinet-level authority they would best match (in function), OR that they should be subject to Senate hearings. (Which would have the additional benefit of giving the Senate less time to pass new bills!) I think a lot of these czars would never have been hired if subject to a hearing that would display their own actions and words to the American public. So I guess on balance, I support this amendment.

 

[Siddhartha]

http://scalise.house.gov/apps/list/press/la01_scalise/PR_02171102.shtml

“These unappointed, unaccountable people who are literally running a shadow government, heading up these little fiefdoms that nobody can really seem to identify where they are or what they’re doing,” Scalise said Thursday. “But we do know that they’re wielding vast amounts of power.”

These czar positions have been filled by by many of the most radical elements obama could find. Some were not above lying and manipulating reports to push obama's agenda. Statutory rape, blaming the government for being the inside man on 9/11, professed communists... etc they covered it all.

blah, blah Bush had czars also... thought I would throw that in there.

As long as you acknowledge that the Republicans would not be doing this if there was a Republican in the White House.

I wonder if this will pass constitutional muster.

 

[dmcowen674]

http://scalise.house.gov/apps/list/press/la01_scalise/PR_02171102.shtml

Scalise passes amendment to sack czars

Thursday, February 17, 2011​

Washington, DC -- An amendment by Congressman Steve Scalise that defunds many of President Obama’s radical czars was just approved by the House of Representatives on a roll call vote and attached to the Continuing Resolution (CR). The CR would fund the government through September and would cut at least $100 billion in federal spending.
“It is time that we end this practice by President Obama of creating a shadow government run by czars with cabinet-level powers who circumvent the accountability and scrutiny that comes with Senate confirmation required by the Constitution,” Scalise said. “Hardworking American families should not be forced to pay millions of dollars to fund these czars who are implementing radical policies under the cloak of darkness rather than going through the open and transparent process that we were promised. The government should not be running car companies, we should not be regulating the Internet, and we should not have all these czars!”
The CR has been debated throughout the week in the House of Representatives. In January, Scalise re-introduced the Sunset All Czars Act, H.R. 59, which requires Senate confirmation of czars holding similar authority and power as cabinet officials but who have not undergone the same confirmation process. The Sunset All Czars Act has 41 cosponsors.

So to be clear this will stop Republican Presidents from having Czars too?

Didn't think so

 

[boomerang]

Defunded Obamacare - check.
Defunded Planned Parenthood - check.
Blocked net neutrality funds - check.
Get rid of the Czars - proposed.
De-nutting Obama - in the works.

Those who pay are having their say.

 

[dmcowen674]

Defunded Obamacare - check.
Defunded Planned Parenthood - check.
Get rid of the Czars - check.
De-nutting Obama - in the works.

Those who pay are having their say.

Negative, the rich do not pay taxes, they shelter their money overseas.

Everybody knows this

 

[ayabe]

Defunded Obamacare - check.
Defunded Planned Parenthood - check.
Blocked net neutrality funds - check.
Get rid of the Czars - proposed.
De-nutting Obama - in the works.

Those who pay are having their say.

Jobs created or job programs proposed - 0
Meaningful budget cuts/realistic budgets proposed - 0

Not to say that attempting to defund PBS and Planned Parenthood isn't top important.

 

[CPA]

I agree that Obama's czars have often been so very radical, but in general I think a president should have the people he wants and then be held accountable himself for their actions. I do think though that these people should be under the authority of whatever cabinet-level authority they would best match (in function), OR that they should be subject to Senate hearings. (Which would have the additional benefit of giving the Senate less time to pass new bills!) I think a lot of these czars would never have been hired if subject to a hearing that would display their own actions and words to the American public. So I guess on balance, I support this amendment.

That's what the President's Cabinet is for. There is absolutely no reason to have a seperate group of Czar's.

 

[matt0611]

That's what the President's Cabinet is for. There is absolutely no reason to have a seperate group of Czar's.

Yup, this. No more fucking Czars.

I hate that fucking name too.

Get rid of them all.

 

[IBMer]

We all remember the UPROAR was so loud when all the republican presidents appointed Czars. Another revisionist outcry created by Fox News.

 

[matt0611]

We all remember the UPROAR was so loud when all the republican presidents appointed Czars. Another revisionist outcry created by Fox News.

It was wrong then and wrong now.
At least the republicans had the balls to stand up to Obama.
Can't say the same thing for the democrats to GWB.

 

[IBMer]

It was wrong then and wrong now.
At least the republicans had the balls to stand up to Obama.
Can't say the same thing for the democrats to GWB.

Or maybe its because they aren't really that big of a deal so democrats didn't care?

 

[matt0611]

Or maybe its because they aren't really that big of a deal so democrats didn't care?

Probably this too, democrats probably didn't care. Wouldn't surprise me.
First guy to use czrs was FDR, the guy who basically burned the constitution.

 

[nageov3t]

We all remember the UPROAR was so loud when all the republican presidents appointed Czars. Another revisionist outcry created by Fox News.

Presidents Reagan and Bush-41 each appointed one "czar" -- a "drug czar." Clinton added two more -- a "health czar" and an "AIDS czar." George W. had four -- dropping the "health czar" while adding one for national intelligence and one for cybersecurity. Obama has -- so far -- appointed some 15 "czars," including a "technology czar," a "car czar," a "pay czar" and a "Great Lakes czar."

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...n_action_american_mainstream_media_96937.html

 

[sandorski]

Another meaningless exercise. Srsly, these "Czars" are nothing more than glorified Advisors/Planners each dedicated to a specific issue.

 

[rudder]

So to be clear this will stop Republican Presidents from having Czars too?

Didn't think so

Hopefully stop Republican presidents as well from having permanent Czar positions as opposed to temporary ones.

Czars have been used by presidents for a long time and I am not sure which president first used them. However with obama we see a move to more permanent positions.

 

[matt0611]

Another meaningless exercise. Srsly, these "Czars" are nothing more than glorified Advisors/Planners each dedicated to a specific issue.

Some of them are, some have binding power.

 

[rudder]

Another meaningless exercise. Srsly, these "Czars" are nothing more than glorified Advisors/Planners each dedicated to a specific issue.

Czar's are making policies. Czars have likely never been constitutional.... but were never involved in major policy making most were as you say.. glorified advisors. Even Robert Byrd, when he was in the senate and was the top ranking democrat, was upset with obama and his czar plan.

For example, pay czar Kenneth Feinberg had broad authority over what executives could make at companies that were receiving government money. Czars in the past did not make policies regarding national security... obama's czars are doing just that.

Plus there is this compensation thing... I thought we had a surgeon general.. but obama named his personal chef from chicago as health food czar... likely with a 6 figure salary.

 

[fskimospy]

Defunded Obamacare - check.
Defunded Planned Parenthood - check.
Blocked net neutrality funds - check.
Get rid of the Czars - proposed.
De-nutting Obama - in the works.

Those who pay are having their say.

They haven't actually done any of those things, not a single one has actually been passed into law.

Good luck with that, by the way. The Republicans are setting themselves up for another 1995 style epic fail. Their leadership is terrified of this, and so you'll see a lot of those things go away.

 

[matt0611]

Jobs created or job programs proposed - 0
Meaningful budget cuts/realistic budgets proposed - 0

Not to say that attempting to defund PBS and Planned Parenthood isn't top important.

"Jobs programs" lol No thanks...
Last thing I want is the government attempting to create "or save (LMAO)" more jobs. Been there, done that. Please.

I do want the republicans to slash the governments budget though.
Doubt they will do it.
Even if they did, it wouldn't matter, Obama would never sign it, take a look at his joke of a budget proposal.

 

[IBMer]

Presidents Reagan and Bush-41 each appointed one "czar" -- a "drug czar." Clinton added two more -- a "health czar" and an "AIDS czar." George W. had four -- dropping the "health czar" while adding one for national intelligence and one for cybersecurity. Obama has -- so far -- appointed some 15 "czars," including a "technology czar," a "car czar," a "pay czar" and a "Great Lakes czar."

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...n_action_american_mainstream_media_96937.html

 

[wirelessenabled]

WTG Shrub:thumbsdown:

Started a czar trend that is not good for the US, along with the huge deficit spending, stupid wars, etc, etc. FU GWB. Sunk the US for 20+ years, a new record. Reagan was only able to F us for 10-12 years.

Obama is so far stupid enough to continue the trend established.

 

[trenchfoot]

Correct me if I'm wrong please: I always thought these positions were either patronage positions or fall guy positions to be used at the discretion of the president.

 

[werepossum]

Presidents Reagan and Bush-41 each appointed one "czar" -- a "drug czar." Clinton added two more -- a "health czar" and an "AIDS czar." George W. had four -- dropping the "health czar" while adding one for national intelligence and one for cybersecurity. Obama has -- so far -- appointed some 15 "czars," including a "technology czar," a "car czar," a "pay czar" and a "Great Lakes czar."

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...n_action_american_mainstream_media_96937.html

I have every faith that Obama's fifteen czars will deliver the same amazing results as did the drug czars of past Presidents . . .

A czar should have zero power; everything he or she does needs to go through the executive office and through the proper Cabinet office. I'm not sure there's a way to effectively determine this though - what's the difference (in perception) between a President doing something through a czar and the czar doing something on his own? I'm good with defunding them though.

 

[khon]

Defunded Obamacare - check.
Defunded Planned Parenthood - check.
Blocked net neutrality funds - check.
Get rid of the Czars - proposed.
De-nutting Obama - in the works.

Those who pay are having their say.

You are aware that none of those have actually become law right ?