Some bikers are really asking for a death wish

[jtvang125]

I have nothing against bikers (Harleys or sport bikes) but some of them are really asking for it. Spliting lanes on the freeway between the carpool lane and left more lane or during a stoplight while all cars are stop is probably ok safety wise. But when they're spliting lanes with flowing traffic that is just stupid.

 

[bucwylde23]

let me see them splitting lanes in my rear view, i'll put a QUICK stop to that. Let's see how they like trying to see around my huge work van.

 

[blazerazor]

Originally posted by: chrisg22
let me see them splitting lanes in my rear view, i'll put a QUICK stop to that. Let's see how they like trying to see around my huge work van.

QFT

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: chrisg22
let me see them splitting lanes in my rear view, i'll put a QUICK stop to that. Let's see how they like trying to see around my huge work van.

Splitting lanes is legal in CA jackass...:roll:

The last thing you should do is crowd a motorcyclist trying to ride legally.

 

[bucwylde23]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: chrisg22
let me see them splitting lanes in my rear view, i'll put a QUICK stop to that. Let's see how they like trying to see around my huge work van.

Splitting lanes is legal in CA jackass...:roll:

The last thing you should do is crowd a motorcyclist trying to ride legally.

Check and see if I live in CA?

And just because it's legal in CA doesn't meant it's not STUPID!

Either way, try it around me

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: chrisg22
let me see them splitting lanes in my rear view, i'll put a QUICK stop to that. Let's see how they like trying to see around my huge work van.

Splitting lanes is legal in CA jackass...:roll:

The last thing you should do is crowd a motorcyclist trying to ride legally.

Check and see if I live in CA?

And just because it's legal in CA doesn't meant it's not STUPID!

Either way, try it around me

So, you promote being an inconsiderate jackass and endangering other drivers? Way to go...:roll: Your parents must be proud.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: chrisg22
let me see them splitting lanes in my rear view, i'll put a QUICK stop to that. Let's see how they like trying to see around my huge work van.

Splitting lanes is legal in CA jackass...:roll:

The last thing you should do is crowd a motorcyclist trying to ride legally.

Check and see if I live in CA?

And just because it's legal in CA doesn't meant it's not STUPID!

Either way, try it around me

This is what happens to kids who are raised by the game Spy Hunter.

 

[BlueWeasel]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: chrisg22
let me see them splitting lanes in my rear view, i'll put a QUICK stop to that. Let's see how they like trying to see around my huge work van.

Splitting lanes is legal in CA jackass...:roll:

The last thing you should do is crowd a motorcyclist trying to ride legally.

Check and see if I live in CA?

And just because it's legal in CA doesn't meant it's not STUPID!

Either way, try it around me

This is what happens to kids who are raised by the game Spy Hunter.

:laugh:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: chrisg22
let me see them splitting lanes in my rear view, i'll put a QUICK stop to that. Let's see how they like trying to see around my huge work van.

Splitting lanes is legal in CA jackass...:roll:

The last thing you should do is crowd a motorcyclist trying to ride legally.

Check and see if I live in CA?

And just because it's legal in CA doesn't meant it's not STUPID!

Either way, try it around me

This is what happens to kids who are raised by the game Spy Hunter.

No kidding. When I see a motorcyclist coming up behind me I usually give him or her a little extra room to pass me. To move over and crowd them is just idiotic, selfish and dangerous.

 

[Alienwho]

OP, go to any other country in the world and you will sh!t a brick at the way they split lanes.

 

[Vic]

AFAIK, motorcycles splitting lanes in only legal in California (in the US). I know that if a motorcyclist were to attempt to split lanes here in the Pac NW, he would probably be killed (possibly intentionally, but more likely by one of the usual cell-phone-glued-to-their-ear inattentive morons).

 

[bucwylde23]

I've seen accidents caused by morons splitting lanes while doing excessive speeds (80+ mph) in HEAVY traffic in northern VA. An accident during rush hour ruins traffic for EVERYONE.

I never said I was trying to run someone off the road, I said I would block them. If I don't see them in time, I don't swerve at them. If anyone is being crowded by a motorcyclist splitting lanes, it is me, and every other driver on the road. Now if a guy was splitting lanes in traffic at a stop, I could care less. It's when he is putting other people and their vehicles at risk in heavy traffic that I care.

Motorcyclists are endangering THEMSELVES quite often with stupid crap just like this. Splitting lanes, passing on the shoulder, weaving through traffic with BARELY enough room to fit between cars, etc.

So you are telling me that splitting lanes in heavy traffic is not dangerous for a motorcyclist? I think that is what the OP originally had a problem with, and what I am responding to.

 

[bucwylde23]

Originally posted by: Vic
AFAIK, motorcycles splitting lanes in only legal in California (in the US). I know that if a motorcyclist were to attempt to split lanes here in the Pac NW, he would probably be killed (possibly intentionally, but more likely by one of the usual cell-phone-glued-to-their-ear inattentive morons).

EXACTLY! But somehow I am endangering the motorcyclist... funny stuff.

 

[ryan256]

I live in AL. Splitting lanes here is illegal. But the main reason I don't do it is I've seen 2 other bikers get nailed doing it from a car suddenly changing lanes.

 

[IGBT]

..if your going to drive a motorcycle, carry an organ donor card.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: chrisg22
I've seen accidents caused by morons splitting lanes while doing excessive speeds (80+ mph) in HEAVY traffic in northern VA. An accident during rush hour ruins traffic for EVERYONE.

I never said I was trying to run someone off the road, I said I would block them. If I don't see them in time, I don't swerve at them. If anyone is being crowded by a motorcyclist splitting lanes, it is me, and every other driver on the road. Now if a guy was splitting lanes in traffic at a stop, I could care less. It's when he is putting other people and their vehicles at risk in heavy traffic that I care.

Motorcyclists are endangering THEMSELVES quite often with stupid crap just like this. Splitting lanes, passing on the shoulder, weaving through traffic with BARELY enough room to fit between cars, etc.

So you are telling me that splitting lanes in heavy traffic is not dangerous for a motorcyclist? I think that is what the OP originally had a problem with, and what I am responding to.

Well make sure if you block them that you lower the ramp and then pull off to the side of the road because then they get that wicked smoke screen and can take out those tough long gangster cars.

 

[BrokenVisage]

I don't think people ask to have a death wish.. they either have one or they don't. Just being anal.

 

[homercles337]

Originally posted by: chrisg22
let me see them splitting lanes in my rear view, i'll put a QUICK stop to that. Let's see how they like trying to see around my huge work van.

You should die. Youre a horrible bastard.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: chrisg22
I've seen accidents caused by morons splitting lanes while doing excessive speeds (80+ mph) in HEAVY traffic in northern VA. An accident during rush hour ruins traffic for EVERYONE.

I never said I was trying to run someone off the road, I said I would block them. If I don't see them in time, I don't swerve at them. If anyone is being crowded by a motorcyclist splitting lanes, it is me, and every other driver on the road. Now if a guy was splitting lanes in traffic at a stop, I could care less. It's when he is putting other people and their vehicles at risk in heavy traffic that I care.

Motorcyclists are endangering THEMSELVES quite often with stupid crap just like this. Splitting lanes, passing on the shoulder, weaving through traffic with BARELY enough room to fit between cars, etc.

So you are telling me that splitting lanes in heavy traffic is not dangerous for a motorcyclist? I think that is what the OP originally had a problem with, and what I am responding to.

And that's why I called you a jackass. You'd be putting other people's lives in danger with that type of reaction.

You can keep giving me scenarios to support your point of view but the fact remains that what you advocate is just as dangerous as the behavior you mention and that you are presumably trying to correct. That is assinine.

BTW-I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that lane splitting does not contribute significantly to motorcycle accidents or fatalities.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: chrisg22
let me see them splitting lanes in my rear view, i'll put a QUICK stop to that. Let's see how they like trying to see around my huge work van.

Splitting lanes is legal in CA jackass...:roll:

The last thing you should do is crowd a motorcyclist trying to ride legally.

Check and see if I live in CA?

And just because it's legal in CA doesn't meant it's not STUPID!

Either way, try it around me

OK tough guy, I'd like to see you do it to a HA or another 1%er. You better hope you injure them enough so they don't pull your punk ass out of your Van and beat the living crap out of you

 

[Gravity]

I've only been biking since January but I can say that lane splitting ads risk to the ride. There's enough inattentive drivers out there to make riding a threat no matter how safe you ride. 15,000 miles this year on the bike and I have had people change into my lane, with me in it at least 5 times. It pisses me off but I ride with the attitude that they are all on the cell with their moms and couldn't care less.

Lane spitting in Japan is crazy and there's some good youtube footage of it that will give you a new perspective on what "dangerous" is.

Gravity

 

[JulesMaximus]

NHTSA On Motorcycle Lane Sharing

A motorcycle?s narrow width can allow it to pass between lanes of stopped or slow-moving cars on roadways where the lanes are wide enough to offer an adequate gap. This option can provide an escape route for motorcyclists who would otherwise be trapped or struck from behind. There is evidence (Hurt, 1981) that traveling between lanes of stopped or slow-moving cars (i.e., lane splitting) on multiple-lane roads (such as interstate highways) slightly reduces crash frequency compared with staying within the lane and moving with other traffic.

Although lane splitting is allowed in just a few areas of the United States, notably California, it appears to be worthy of further study because it offers a means of reducing congestion in addition to possible safety benefits. It is widely used in many other countries.

Motorcycle Lane Sharing - Surviving the Streets - Motorcycle Cruiser

I had called USC's Accident Research Department to talk to Dave Thom about helmets, but Harry Hurt answered the phone. Hurt, the lead author of the famous "Hurt Report" about the causes of motorcycle accidents, is arguably the most knowledgeable expert in the area of motorcycle safety and always fascinating to talk to.

Today, however, the news wasn't pleasant. Hurt had been rear-ended and had required surgery on his neck. His brand new truck suffered major damage too. "The stupid part," said Hurt, "was that if I'd been on a motorcycle, I wouldn't have had the accident. I would have split lanes and never gotten hit."

Everyone recognizes that lane-splitting is a way for motorcyclists to save time, which may be why car-bound motorists sometimes resent it. In its defense, lane-splitting also reduces congestion and actually helps everyone get there sooner. In effect, it creates an extra lane. That "motorcycle-only lane" can, as Hurt points out, get you away from the antics of cars, which tend to be most violent at the back of the line. I was originally a reluctant lane-splitter myself, but after diving between lanes to escape screeching cars coming up behind me three times in a single ride, I decided that perhaps there was a cosmic message in there somewhere. That was 25 years ago, and I have been lane-splitting, mostly on a non-emergency basis, almost every day since.

The knee-jerk reaction to lane-splitting for most people is that it's dangerous. In fact, Hurt and his fellow researchers discovered that, if anything, it's actually slightly safer than staying in the lane in heavy, crawling traffic. Hurt theorizes that this is because motorcyclists have an easier time steering around threats than stopping frequently. Evans Brafield, Motorcycle Cruiser's Associate Editor and an instructor for the California Motorcycle Safety Program California Motorcycle Safety Program, reckons that the ability the see ahead and get early warning of what traffic is doing is part of the advantage. Certainly, you put virtually all the threats ahead of you and needn't watch your mirrors much.

At Motorcycle Cruiser and our sister magazines, Motorcyclist magazine and Sport Rider magazine, lane-splitting is a way of life. Here in Southern California, rational lane-splitting is tolerated by law enforcement, and the CHP actually testified against a bill that would have banned it several years ago. In a quarter-century of SoCal commuting, I reckon I have reduced the time I have spent in traffic by months, and I can't recall a single close call while doing it. In fact, I haven't ticked more than half a dozen mirrors in that time. In the last few years, the growing availability of carpool lanes has reduced the need to lane-split on freeways, but increased congestion on surface streets has made it more useful there.

The dangers involved in lane splitting are the close proximity of other vehicles, the limited space for maneuvering and the fact that few drivers anticipate your presence. My standard visibility ploys--headlight on high beam during the day and a day-glow orange Shoei helmet--serve me well lane-splitting as in other traffic situations, but the key to painless lane-splitting is understanding the dynamics of the cars around you and knowing what to expect. For example, though you may feel more squeezed when passing between two vehicles side by side, you are more likely to get bunted when overtaking a car that has an open space next to it, especially if the lane on the other side of you is moving significantly faster. If the driver tries to jump to that space, he may forget to check for you. Whether lane-splitting or not, use caution when riding through the blind spot of a driver when you are between him and a place he is likely to want to put his car.

Other pointers:

- You should be alert and ready to concentrate fully on the matter at hand.

- Enter the lane-splitting zone cautiously. Wait until both lanes are slowed down, so that you aren't being overtaken by a car in the adjacent lane. You may be starting from a slow speed, so your bike won't be completely stabilized, and you don't want to weave into an overtaking car.

- The most dicey time is when traffic is slowing down. Some cars pull under braking and some drivers choose this moment to jump to another lane. If one lane is slowing more than the other, the likelihood of a lane-jumper increases. If the lane next to the one you are using is going faster, entering the lane-splitting zone may put you in the path or an overtaking car that isn't expecting it. I like to wait until both lanes are moving at similar speeds.

- Keep your speed just slightly above that of the cars you are passing. A large speed differential reduces your chances of avoiding a collision when something goes awry. However, you should also be overtaking traffic, so that you can focus exclusively on what's ahead and next to you. This puts you in control of the situation.

- Set a maximum speed for lane-splitting and stick to it. When traffic hits about 30 mph, I get back in line.

- When traffic speed picks up, try to merge back in front of the last car that you will completely pass at normal lane-splitting speeds. Plan ahead to be sure you don't get stuck behind a large vehicle that you can't see past.

- Watch for other motorcyclists overtaking and let them by.

- Acknowledge drivers who move over for you, but don't get mad when someone overlooks you.

- Look for those subtle first signs of a direction change by drivers -- a change in speed, the glance to a mirror, the repositioning of hands on the wheel, the car's front wheel actually beginning to steer. If you look ahead and watch for events that will slow one lane down, you can usually anticipate when driver will want to change lanes.

- As always, stay ahead of the game. Keep your eyes up the road, several cars ahead of you to see those first signs of a change in speed, debris on the road or other event that changes the speed or direction of traffic.

- If you come to a place where two vehicles are uncomfortably close together, bide your time and wait for an opportunity to pass them safely.

- Don't hesitate to honk if the cars next to you get uncomfortably close together. It will probably annoy them less than if you snap off one of their mirrors or bang your head on one of their rear fenders.

- The gap between the two left lanes is usually the largest and most consistent because drivers in the left lane, with no traffic to their left, move well to the left to see ahead and to open the gap on their right side.

- Watch for abrupt changes when another roadway merges with either of the lanes you're between.

Cruisers have some advantages as lane-splitting weapons. The sit-up riding position offers a good view over cars. The torquey power characteristics provide good response, though you shouldn't let revs drop too far. There are negatives, too. Cars are widest at their mirrors, which, unfortunately, are often about the same height as cruiser handlebars and mirrors. Ultra-wide bars like those of the Vulcan 1600 Classic limit the gaps you can traverse. In fact, if you split lanes regularly, a narrow bar (or sawing an inch off each end of the stockers) is a good idea. The best lane-splitting weapons are dual-purpose bikes because they are narrow and you sit quite high.

I have heard some lane-splitting horror stories over the years: the rider who hooked a crash bar on a car bumper (unconfirmed), the riders who have had doors flung open in front of them either intentionally or unintentionally (at least one confirmed) and the rider who split lanes alongside a big rig which wasn't aware of him and then crept forward, first pushing the bike over (rider and passenger jumped off) and then running it over without ever knowing it. I have only encountered one driver intent on keeping me from passing ("Kick his damn door in!" was the unheeded advice shouted by a nearby trucker), but thousands who have pulled over to give me extra room. There are also tales of non-injury encounters with drivers disposing of coffee, over-filled ashtrays or the contents of an upset stomach, but I haven't encountered anything worse than the stuff people sometimes throw in your face even when you're in the middle of your lane.

And I spend a lot less time out there in path of danger or trash when I'm tearing along the dotted line.

BTW-I think that motorcyclists who tear through crowded freeways at 80mph are dangerous as hell. That is not what I'm debating here. This is normal lane splitting in slow or stopped traffic.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: chrisg22
let me see them splitting lanes in my rear view, i'll put a QUICK stop to that. Let's see how they like trying to see around my huge work van.

Splitting lanes is legal in CA jackass...:roll:

The last thing you should do is crowd a motorcyclist trying to ride legally.

Check and see if I live in CA?

And just because it's legal in CA doesn't meant it's not STUPID!

Either way, try it around me

OK tough guy, I'd like to see you do it to a HA or another 1%er. You better hope you injure them enough so they don't pull your punk ass out of your Van and beat the living crap out of you

Are you a "hang-a-round" or are you fully-patched, RD?

Seriously, the bulk of HA's and 1%ers are about 65, have sore feet from diabetes, alcoholic, and on oxygen. I'd take their colors and burn it in a trash bin, and then spit on them.

Just kidding.

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: chrisg22

Originally posted by: Vic
AFAIK, motorcycles splitting lanes in only legal in California (in the US). I know that if a motorcyclist were to attempt to split lanes here in the Pac NW, he would probably be killed (possibly intentionally, but more likely by one of the usual cell-phone-glued-to-their-ear inattentive morons).

EXACTLY! But somehow I am endangering the motorcyclist... funny stuff.

maybe because in the inevitable collision between your dumb ass and the motorcyclist, the motorcyclist is 1000 times more likely to die...

 

[Thraxen]

Wow.. I'm surprised this is legal anywhere. It just seems utterly stupid. So what if a biker gets whacked by a mirror while lane splitting? Who is at fault?