Some 20 year old chick gets shot in the head, accidentally, in a church

[gorcorps]

Again. This was no accident. It was negligent and likely reckless endangerment. Charge him. There were acts of either of those that caused it.

Hell whenever I load unload my weapons or even handle them muzzle is in a direction that I'm ok if a bullet going out of it. Some dude swept his muzzle in my direction investigating a failure and I ducked and cussed him out. Safety first and foremost.

How could you not consider this an accident? Not saying nobody's to blame, but they didn't shoot somebody in the head on purpose.

 

[Nebor]

I've lived in California for the last 22 years. CA does not issue CCW, at least not in San Diego.

I've always found it interesting that certain jurisdictions will disallow their residents from carrying weapons while allowing outsiders to carry them. IE: counties in California that don't issue permits (but recognize other county permits) and states like MA that will readily issue out of state carry permits from the state police, but locals are denied permits by local police.

 

[highland145]

How could you not consider this an accident? Not saying nobody's to blame, but they didn't shoot somebody in the head on purpose.

Negligence.

 

[MotF Bane]

I've always found it interesting that certain jurisdictions will disallow their residents from carrying weapons while allowing outsiders to carry them. IE: counties in California that don't issue permits (but recognize other county permits) and states like MA that will readily issue out of state carry permits from the state police, but locals are denied permits by local police.

Which is why may issue at police discretion is totally fucked up
.

 

[Cuda1447]

I'm curious of the irony as well...it's sad that stupid happens though, how can a 48yr old be that dumb?

It's EXTREMELY easy to get a permit. Listen to someone spew about guns for 3 hours. Show that you know how to load and fire a gun, that's a rap. You've got your permit now.

 

[corwin]

It's EXTREMELY easy to get a permit. Listen to someone spew about guns for 3 hours. Show that you know how to load and fire a gun, that's a rap. You've got your permit now.

I think we've established the irony was negligently shooting your girlfriend in the head from inside a closet...however some places should give much better training before issuing permits, Texas is a 10 hour class requiring a 5 hour refresher every 4 years

 

[Cuda1447]

I think we've established the irony was negligently shooting your girlfriend in the head from inside a closet...however some places should give much better training before issuing permits, Texas is a 10 hour class requiring a 5 hour refresher every 4 years

I didn't read the whole thread, only first few posts, but you are right. Training is a major problem. Some states allow you to do your training online. Others don't even require you need ever handle a firearm, just listen to an instructor. This instructor by the way, is never critiqued or evaluated by anyone, so the quality of instruction could be very very poor in some cases. To get a drivers license I had to demonstrate competency and be graded. You would think something just as deadly (or more so in the wrong hands) would require equal demonstration of competency.

 

[corwin]

I didn't read the whole thread, only first few posts, but you are right. Training is a major problem. Some states allow you to do your training online. Others don't even require you need ever handle a firearm, just listen to an instructor. This instructor by the way, is never critiqued or evaluated by anyone, so the quality of instruction could be very very poor in some cases. To get a drivers license I had to demonstrate competency and be graded. You would think something just as deadly (or more so in the wrong hands) would require equal demonstration of competency.

That I would agree with, it's one of the few control measures I think should be increased in some places...

 

[JTsyo]

See what I mean. Could have been a semi behind you trying to turn you into flat Stanley.

I pulled forward at a red light because the of a reflection of a sign and got hit by a truck. Luckily I had stopped after realizing the truck was coming and he slowed a bit and got hit in the engine and not the passenger compartment. $5K damage to the car but I got out fine.

The other time I almost died was also to a truck, trying to merge onto the Throng Neck Bridge.

 

[CZroe]

Just for the fun of it? Doesn't make much sense considering how you've represented your views...

How have I represented my views? I support the right to bear arms. I might choose to own one, someday...but I don't hang around responsible people. Also, I've never really enjoyed using them.

Seems like you were against CCW in general, maybe I got confused, it happens...

I think he was trying to point out that being a CC holder does not always equate with being a gun owner, thus, the comparison of permits issued isn't as direct as you might imagine. Being his twin brother, I can attest that he has a CC permit and no gun. Also, our mother has given hers away to our sister and that makes two people I know with a CCW and no gun. There are also untold amount of people who have hit hard times and pawned off their last weapon, so it's not such an uncommon story.

 

[corwin]

I think he was trying to point out that being a CC holder does not always equate with being a gun owner, thus, the comparison of permits issued isn't as direct as you might imagine. Being his twin brother, I can attest that he has a CC permit and no gun. Also, our mother has given hers away to our sister and that makes two people I know with a CCW and no gun. There are also untold amount of people who have hit hard times and pawned off their last weapon, so it's not such an uncommon story.

While that may be the case I wouldn't think it was too common, rarely does someone who doesn't have an interest in carrying get a permit, in most places they aren't terribly cheap to get (paid close to $400 total for mine) and even more rare is a person who doesn't enjoy shooting going to go get one, that seems a little counter productive to me...obviously it does happen however I think it would be the exception and far from common, maybe more so in states that it's extremely easy (and cheap) to get one but there aren't many of those and taking a national view could theoretically be offset by people who carry in states that don't require permits at all...