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Somalis replace Hispanic workers at Iowa plant

1prophet

Diamond Member
Remember those illegals that were rounded up at the meat plant because they were taking away all those jobs Americans wanted:laugh:

Well where are all those needy Americans, I guess they can't be bothered since these jobs are beneath them especially at 13 dollars an hour but not for immigrants.


<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25891320/">Somalis replace Hispanic workers after raid
After illegal workers arrested in May, town adjusts to new culture</a>

updated 8:38 p.m. ET, Mon., July. 28, 2008
POSTVILLE, Iowa - Scores of Somali immigrants are taking jobs at the nation's largest kosher meatpacking plant, replacing Hispanic workers arrested in a huge immigration raid and forcing a remote Iowa town to make another cultural shift.

Before the May 12 raid at Agriprocessors, hundreds of Mexican and Guatemalan immigrants maintained a vibrant community in Postville, a largely white community of 2,200 people in northeast Iowa.

Now the stoops and haunts once occupied by Hispanics are being filled by about 150 Somali men.

Aydurus Farah, a 21-year-old who immigrated from Somalia in 2004, set out for work in meatpacking plants to make money for his family back home in Somalia.

He planned to begin work at Agriprocessors this week, drawn from Minneapolis to Postville by the promised wages.

"They said over there they pay like 13 dollars an hour, very good money," Farah said as he stood outside Sabor Latino, a popular Mexican restaurant.

He said he also appreciates the city's small-town charms.

"I did not like Minneapolis ? too many people, too many cars," he said. "I like small towns. I am small town guy, so this is nice place. Maybe I can raise family here."

Newcomers 'raised some eyebrows'
The influx of Somalis has been met with some surprise in a community still bewildered by the Agriprocessors raid, the largest raid of its kind in the United States. Federal agents arrested 389 people, mostly Guatemalans and Mexicans who had established roots and become part of the community.

The new immigrants have "raised some eyebrows, which is pretty normal when you get somebody different in town," Postville Mayor Robert Penrod said.

"That said, as far as I know they haven't caused a whole lot of problems. They've been keeping to themselves," he said.

It's not the first cultural change in Postville. The slaughterhouse attracted eastern Europeans in the 1990s, including immigrants from Bosnia, Poland, Russia and former Soviet Republics. Hispanics became the majority in the last decade.

The result is that a town that barely covers two square miles is home to people from 24 nationalities speaking 17 languages.

Farah and others said the Somali community in Minneapolis and elsewhere is abuzz with talk of well-paying meatpacking jobs at Agriprocessors.

That runs counter to stories told by workers at the plant who described pay before the raid as $10 an hour or lower with no extra for overtime. Some also claimed the plant hired underage employees and forced its workers to endure unsafe conditions.

Juda Engelmayer, a spokesman for Agriprocessors, said the company wouldn't comment on pay or staffing issues.

'It's nice here'
Regardless of previous claims, Hassam Jilmale said he left work at a Tyson plant in Nebraska because he heard he could make more money with better conditions at Agriprocessors.

The 26-year-old said he was starting at the plant on Tuesday.

"We make much more money here," he said. "At the other place, they did not like Somalis. They were no good. So far this is good. It's nice here."

Farah lives with three others in a cramped apartment on Postville's main street ? located just above a Latino bakery and Sabor Latino, and down the street from a Hispanic clothing store and a Guatemalan restaurant.

Many of the Somalis who have come to Postville are legal immigrants with roots in Minneapolis, which has one of the nation's largest concentrations of Somali immigrants.

Hassan Mohamud, a Somali native who works as a legal advocate at The Legal Aid Society in Minneapolis, said the young men leave because low-skilled factory jobs are scarce in the Twin Cities and they need to provide for their families.


"It is almost always financial reasons," he said. "Here there are less jobs and the workers cannot cover their financial needs. So they leave so that they can give back ... and they can get a job that doesn't require skills and languages."


Postville 'adjusting'
No new businesses or mosques have opened in Postville to support the new community, but residents said they are leery about adjusting to another foreign culture even as the outcry over the May raid lingers.

The raid made Postville an unlikely flashpoint in the immigration debate. On Sunday, about 1,000 people, including many Postville residents, marched through the city's streets to protest the immigration raid and Agriprocessors' treatment of employees.

Dave Hartley watched from the street as people marched through the town and past the meatpacking plant. The town's situation is regrettable, he said, and it has thrown many of the residents off balance.

The Mexican and Guatemalan communities "had good and bad ones, but they policed their own," he said.

The new Somali residents seem fine, but he fears there is only so much upheaval the town can take.

 
Did you bother reading the article?

"Many of the Somalis who have come to Postville are legal immigrants with roots in Minneapolis, which has one of the nation's largest concentrations of Somali immigrants."

i.e. "needy Americans" 🙂

Sounds like the pay and working conditions are also better now than they used to be with the illegal immigrant labor.
 
Many of the Somalis who have come to Postville are legal immigrants with roots in Minneapolis, which has one of the nation's largest concentrations of Somali immigrants.

I see no problem, these are legal immigrants who want to work for the money they earn. Sounds like a win for everyone, boot out the illegals and replace them with legal residents. Who cares where they were originally from?
 
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Did you bother reading the article?

"Many of the Somalis who have come to Postville are legal immigrants with roots in Minneapolis, which has one of the nation's largest concentrations of Somali immigrants."

i.e. "needy Americans" 🙂

Sounds like the pay and working conditions are also better now than they used to be with the illegal immigrant labor.

Here ya go, OP - enjoy the fail.......
 
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Did you bother reading the article?

"Many of the Somalis who have come to Postville are legal immigrants with roots in Minneapolis, which has one of the nation's largest concentrations of Somali immigrants."

i.e. "needy Americans" 🙂

Sounds like the pay and working conditions are also better now than they used to be with the illegal immigrant labor.

Read the article again, and last time I checked unless you are naturalized or native born you are not considered American and this will cause all those who don't care for immigrants to have to find another excuse for why they won't do these jobs now.
 
Originally posted by: 1prophet
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Did you bother reading the article?

"Many of the Somalis who have come to Postville are legal immigrants with roots in Minneapolis, which has one of the nation's largest concentrations of Somali immigrants."

i.e. "needy Americans" 🙂

Sounds like the pay and working conditions are also better now than they used to be with the illegal immigrant labor.

Read the article again, and last time I checked unless you are naturalized or native born you are not considered American and this will cause all those who don't care for ILLEGAL immigrants to have to find another excuse for why they won't do these jobs now.

fixed for ya
 
"All articles report that at least 300 people (some articles say 390) were arrested on Monday, May 12, by U.S. immigration agents as a result of an ongoing investigation into identity theft, fraudulent use of Socical Security numbers, and for illegal immigrants. "

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If one of these illegals was stealing your identity 1prophet, would you sing a different tune? Or would shake his hand for destroying your credit?
 
Originally posted by: 1prophet

Read the article again, and last time I checked unless you are naturalized or native born you are not considered American and this will cause all those who don't care for immigrants to have to find another excuse for why they won't do these jobs now.

Uh beavis, you do realize that "legal immigrants" can mean those with just some form of work visa, but also those who are now naturalized citizens, right?

I'm not getting what you're trying to drive at. They are legal immigrants, and they want to work to earn their money. 404 Problem not found.
 
Originally posted by: Double Trouble
Originally posted by: 1prophet

Read the article again, and last time I checked unless you are naturalized or native born you are not considered American and this will cause all those who don't care for immigrants to have to find another excuse for why they won't do these jobs now.

Uh beavis, you do realize that "legal immigrants" can mean those with just some form of work visa, but also those who are now naturalized citizens, right?

I'm not getting what you're trying to drive at. They are legal immigrants, and they want to work to earn their money. 404 Problem not found.

Uh butthead if people didn't just care about cheaper is better I don't care as long as I pay the lowest price for my meat in this case maybe we wouldn't be in this situation today.

And the problem is not immigrants but the native born who get the entitlement mentality.
 
Originally posted by: nick1985
"All articles report that at least 300 people (some articles say 390) were arrested on Monday, May 12, by U.S. immigration agents as a result of an ongoing investigation into identity theft, fraudulent use of Socical Security numbers, and for illegal immigrants. "

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If one of these illegals was stealing your identity 1prophet, would you sing a different tune? Or would shake his hand for destroying your credit?

 
I'm a native-born American, can easily be considered a Nativist, and I see no problem with this. The Somali's in the article are here in the USA legally, apparently have the legal right to work re, and (hopefully) aren't stealing the identity of Americans.

The illegals who were booted from the plant were NOT here legally, did NOT have the legal right to work here, and (apparently) many were stealing the identities of Americans...


Get rid of several hundred illegal "crimigrants",
replace them with people who are here legally...
Win-win
 
Originally posted by: nick1985
"All articles report that at least 300 people (some articles say 390) were arrested on Monday, May 12, by U.S. immigration agents as a result of an ongoing investigation into identity theft, fraudulent use of Socical Security numbers, and for illegal immigrants. "

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If one of these illegals was stealing your identity 1prophet, would you sing a different tune? Or would shake his hand for destroying your credit?

No, I would reach in my pocket and pay a legal immigrant or an American just like You and I would expect to get paid for services rendered solving most of that problem.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
I'm a native-born American, can easily be considered a Nativist, and I see no problem with this. The Somali's in the article are here in the USA legally, apparently have the legal right to work re, and (hopefully) aren't stealing the identity of Americans.

The illegals who were booted from the plant were NOT here legally, did NOT have the legal right to work here, and (apparently) many were stealing the identities of Americans...


Get rid of several hundred illegal "crimigrants",
replace them with people who are here legally...
Win-win

:thumbsup:🙂
 
Originally posted by: 1prophet
Originally posted by: nick1985
"All articles report that at least 300 people (some articles say 390) were arrested on Monday, May 12, by U.S. immigration agents as a result of an ongoing investigation into identity theft, fraudulent use of Socical Security numbers, and for illegal immigrants. "

Text

If one of these illegals was stealing your identity 1prophet, would you sing a different tune? Or would shake his hand for destroying your credit?

No, I would reach in my pocket and pay a legal immigrant or an American just like You and I would expect to get paid for services rendered solving most of that problem.

You know what would solve 100% of the problem? Doing exactly what BoomerD says.
 
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: 1prophet
Originally posted by: nick1985
"All articles report that at least 300 people (some articles say 390) were arrested on Monday, May 12, by U.S. immigration agents as a result of an ongoing investigation into identity theft, fraudulent use of Socical Security numbers, and for illegal immigrants. "

Text

If one of these illegals was stealing your identity 1prophet, would you sing a different tune? Or would shake his hand for destroying your credit?

No, I would reach in my pocket and pay a legal immigrant or an American just like You and I would expect to get paid for services rendered solving most of that problem.

You know what would solve 100% of the problem? Doing exactly what BoomerD says.

You are not going to fix that problem through enforcement no matter how much you like to believe it, especially in a society that only cares about price only unless they have to do the work then they want top dollar.
 
Originally posted by: 1prophet
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: 1prophet
Originally posted by: nick1985
"All articles report that at least 300 people (some articles say 390) were arrested on Monday, May 12, by U.S. immigration agents as a result of an ongoing investigation into identity theft, fraudulent use of Socical Security numbers, and for illegal immigrants. "

Text

If one of these illegals was stealing your identity 1prophet, would you sing a different tune? Or would shake his hand for destroying your credit?

No, I would reach in my pocket and pay a legal immigrant or an American just like You and I would expect to get paid for services rendered solving most of that problem.

You know what would solve 100% of the problem? Doing exactly what BoomerD says.

You are not going to fix that problem through enforcement no matter how much you like to believe it, especially in a society that only cares about price only unless they have to do the work then they want top dollar.

So whats your plan, let them come in illegally and steal identities with no punishment?
 
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: 1prophet
Originally posted by: nick1985
Originally posted by: 1prophet
Originally posted by: nick1985
"All articles report that at least 300 people (some articles say 390) were arrested on Monday, May 12, by U.S. immigration agents as a result of an ongoing investigation into identity theft, fraudulent use of Socical Security numbers, and for illegal immigrants. "

Text

If one of these illegals was stealing your identity 1prophet, would you sing a different tune? Or would shake his hand for destroying your credit?

No, I would reach in my pocket and pay a legal immigrant or an American just like You and I would expect to get paid for services rendered solving most of that problem.

You know what would solve 100% of the problem? Doing exactly what BoomerD says.

You are not going to fix that problem through enforcement no matter how much you like to believe it, especially in a society that only cares about price only unless they have to do the work then they want top dollar.

So whats your plan, let them come in illegally and steal identities with no punishment?

Don't pay them or their employers and only do business with people that use legal immigrants or citizens. See how many come over then.
 
We need to start hitting the companies who hire the illegals with severe fines for each one, for every day they're in their employ.
Hit them in the only place they care about...their bottom line.
Maybe start with some criminal prosecutions for the CEO's and HR people in those plants too...

Eliminate the non-farm jobs and they'll stop coming enmasse.

I understand that like it or not, the farmers depend on this source of cheap labor. I'd support a temporary farm-worker law, as long as they're required to return to their country of origin when the season is over. Similar to the bracero program of the 50's, but set up in a way that the workers actually get the portion of their pay that's withheld.
Of course, I'm also an advocate of rounding up ALL the illegals and sending them home; to whatever country they're from; be it Mexico, Central or South America, Canada, China, Ireland, where ever...
Do I think any of these things will ever come to pass? FUCK NO! There are too many liberals who don't want to send them home, too many businesses who depend on the cheap labor, and our government has turned from a government
"Of the people, by the people, and for the people,"
into one that is
"Of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations."

The Congress and President would NEVER pass a law that would piss off their corporate owners...I mean donors.
 
Originally posted by: BoomerD
We need to start hitting the companies who hire the illegals with severe fines for each one, for every day they're in their employ.
Hit them in the only place they care about...their bottom line.
Maybe start with some criminal prosecutions for the CEO's and HR people in those plants too...

Eliminate the non-farm jobs and they'll stop coming enmasse.

I understand that like it or not, the farmers depend on this source of cheap labor. I'd support a temporary farm-worker law, as long as they're required to return to their country of origin when the season is over. Similar to the bracero program of the 50's, but set up in a way that the workers actually get the portion of their pay that's withheld.
Of course, I'm also an advocate of rounding up ALL the illegals and sending them home; to whatever country they're from; be it Mexico, Central or South America, Canada, China, Ireland, where ever...
Do I think any of these things will ever come to pass? FUCK NO! There are too many liberals who don't want to send them home, too many businesses who depend on the cheap labor, and our government has turned from a government
"Of the people, by the people, and for the people,"
into one that is
"Of the corporations, by the corporations, and for the corporations."

The Congress and President would NEVER pass a law that would piss off their corporate owners...I mean donors.

:thumbsup:

But we can always for for HOPE and CHANGE :roll:
 
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