Somali Interior Minister suicide-bombed by his own niece

[JumBie]

More Islamic fuckedupness... According to the article his niece had joined al-Shabab. So yeah, the usual crowd (ok, two or three) Islamic apologists are going to jump in once this thread gets bumped over to P&N and say that Islam doesn't preach this blah blah blah. But al-Shabab does what it does in the name of Islam.

It's beyond disgusting, and the world would be a better place without that fucked up religion.

You seem as if someone of the Muslim faith has wronged you in some way. I can't see how you can formulate such disgusting hatred towards a religion based on world events, it seems to have a more personal attachment towards you. You blame Islam for these suicide bombings, yet you seem very uneducated in the matter of suicide bombings them self.

Suicide bombings are said to have been started first by the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, the majority of them being Hindu's. Do you now hate Hindus? Do you shout such disgusting hatred towards them too? Your formal understanding of religion as a whole is clearly skewed. You fail to recognize world wide the atrocities committed by people of Jewish faith, Christian Faith, and so on. Yet something about Islam clearly created a void in your heart. So my question to you is, why the hatred?

 

[JumBie]

Well let me again say i really don't know much about somalia. I am personally in ISLAM sucks group.

But just reading Western news won't give a unbiased view. I mean after all saudi OIL is very near there.

There are also news that despite all this shit the lots of part of country is functioning ok.

The question is WOULD this sharia power corrupt the People who are enforcing it........... as they say absolute power corrupts absolutely.

This SHARIA people are so BRUTAL more BRUTAL then the communist. Would this sharia system fail like COMMUNISM or they will take over the world which seems more likely and THRIVE.??????

One more query When all the decision is taken from QUARAN the HOLY BOOK...........why are they allowing PHONES, technology AND western MEDICINE????? I mean either it is pure SHARIA or not sharia.

Wouldn't that be HARAM...... against ISLAM. Or this people bending there own rules when it suits them.

How can a phone or technology be Haram? These things were not invented in the time when the Quaran was created. Do you expect a law to be cultivated in which the Muslim's of that time banned the future use of any device to communicate to another Muslim or human being. Your questions are odd to say the least, and you seem too lack basic logic in forming your opinions. However, they are your opinions and I do respect them, I just don't think silly questions should be taken seriously.

 

[Kadarin]

You seem as if someone of the Muslim faith has wronged you in some way. I can't see how you can formulate such disgusting hatred towards a religion based on world events, it seems to have a more personal attachment towards you. You blame Islam for these suicide bombings, yet you seem very uneducated in the matter of suicide bombings them self.

Suicide bombings are said to have been started first by the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka, the majority of them being Hindu's. Do you now hate Hindus? Do you shout such disgusting hatred towards them too? Your formal understanding of religion as a whole is clearly skewed. You fail to recognize world wide the atrocities committed by people of Jewish faith, Christian Faith, and so on. Yet something about Islam clearly created a void in your heart. So my question to you is, why the hatred?

It's not a personal thing; as individuals Muslims are for the most part perfectly fine (with just one exception, in that they are in my experience unable to take any criticism of Islam itself). Instead, it appears that when the percentage of Muslims within a society reach a critical mass, they go crazy. A few examples:

Muslim scholars praise killer of Pakistan governor:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4092391...lim-scholars-praise-killer-pakistan-governor/

Even so-called moderate Muslim scholars praised 26-year-old Mumtaz Qadri for allegedly killing Punjab province Gov. Salman Taseer on Tuesday in a hail of gunfire while he was supposed to be protecting him as a bodyguard. Qadri later told authorities he acted because of Taseer's vocal opposition to blasphemy laws that order death for those who insult Islam.

Aqsa Parvez pays with her life:
http://www.themuslimwoman.org/entry/hijab-denial-aqsa-parvez-finally-pays-with-her-life/

Since time immemorial, every Muslim woman around the globe is following the practice of wearing hijab very religiously. However, this duty is being vehemently criticized by many organizations and high profile figures. Yet, even today, since it is a cultural phenomenon, no one dares to defy the practice. Yet, the refusal of Aqsa Parvez, the victim, to wear the hijab snatched the girl’s life. The girl was caught up in a never-ending battle with her family because of her reluctance to wear the Islamic veil, said one her school friends. Ultimately, her denial took the family by storm and this resulted in her brutal murder by her father.

Saudi police stopped fire rescue:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1874471.stm

The Saudi Gazette quoted witnesses as saying that the police - known as the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice - had stopped men who tried to help the girls and warned "it is a sinful to approach them".

The father of one of the dead girls said that the school watchman even refused to open the gates to let the girls out.

Afghan Taliban begin destruction of of ancient Buddha statues
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0301-04.htm

An edict announced Monday by the militia's supreme leader, Mulla Mohammad Omar, calling for the destruction of all statues in line with "Islamic" laws, has caused shock around the world.

Afghanistan is home to an array of pre-Islamic historic treasures from its days as a key stop on the ancient Silk Road and a strategic battleground for conquerers dating back to Alexander the Great and the Aryans before him.

The two massive Bamiyan Buddhas, carved into a sandstone cliff near the provincial capital in central Afghanistan, stand 50 meters (165 feet) and 34.5 meters (114 feet) tall and were built around the second century.

Appeals for their preservation have come from the United States, France, Germany, Thailand, Japan, Sri Lanka, Iran, Pakistan, Germany, Russia, India and UN Secretary General Kofi Annan.

Koichiro Matsuura, chief of the UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO), said he had convened an emergency meeting of members of the Organization of the Islamic Conference to try to stop the destruction.

"They are destroying statues that the entire world considers to be masterpieces," Matsuura said.

In my mind it does not matter what the Quran actually says; what matters is how Islam is practiced by the people who practice it. My opinion is that the entire Islamic world is a shithole that contributes absolutely nothing toward the advancement of humanity. It doesn't matter who originated the concept of the suicide bomb, what matters is who is regularly doing the suicide bombing and why.

 

[JumBie]

It's not a personal thing; as individuals Muslims are for the most part perfectly fine (with just one exception, in that they are in my experience unable to take any criticism of Islam itself). Instead, it appears that when the percentage of Muslims within a society reach a critical mass, they go crazy. A few examples:

Muslim scholars praise killer of Pakistan governor:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4092391...lim-scholars-praise-killer-pakistan-governor/



Aqsa Parvez pays with her life:
http://www.themuslimwoman.org/entry/hijab-denial-aqsa-parvez-finally-pays-with-her-life/



Saudi police stopped fire rescue:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/1874471.stm



Afghan Taliban begin destruction of of ancient Buddha statues
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines01/0301-04.htm





In my mind it does not matter what the Quran actually says; what matters is how Islam is practiced by the people who practice it. My opinion is that the entire Islamic world is a shithole that contributes absolutely nothing toward the advancement of humanity. It doesn't matter who originated the concept of the suicide bomb, what matters is who is regularly doing the suicide bombing and why.

While I respect the time and effort put into these especially with sources I have to note the fallacy of these points. You base your judgement of Islam on hand picked situations, and make judgement that because certain individuals who just so happen to represent Islam, behave in a bad way that Islam as a whole must be abolished. Let us dissect various other religions in the same manner as you have chosen.

Hinduism, is largely based on the CASTE system, which is a social classification of people that ranks them accordingly. This system has caused violence amongst Hindu's. And while I could hand pick thousands of incidents of violence and murder I don't feel the need to because information is readily available.

We can look at countless incidents around the world of Christians killing Muslims, and we are talking about faith killings, in the name of god. Take the Yelwa massacre as an example of a mass slaying of Muslims by Christians. Have a look at the documentary "Unwelcome: Muslims Next Door" that might give you a good idea on how many Christians in the United States of America feel about Islam and how they treat Muslim Americans.

I don't even feel the need to carry on about other religions, because I myself can see how stupid it is to cherry pick incidents, and situations to base judgements on a group of people. I can cherry pick all day, on Christians, Jews, Hindu's, Buddhist etc... Its worthless because it shows my arrogance, and ignorance towards those of other cultures. I think you should respect others, and their beliefs and hold individuals accountable for their foolish actions and speeches, and not hold everyone accountable for that of one man.

 

[chimak]

How can a phone or technology be Haram? These things were not invented in the time when the Quaran was created. Do you expect a law to be cultivated in which the Muslim's of that time banned the future use of any device to communicate to another Muslim or human being. Your questions are odd to say the least, and you seem too lack basic logic in forming your opinions. However, they are your opinions and I do respect them, I just don't think silly questions should be taken seriously.

First of all this was just a query. You can say my thinking is weird.

I mean they are removing gold dental filling and gold tooth which i would assume were not invented when sharia was written. Why these discrimination then.

Democracy was also not invented then......so does secularism and also nation state. Plus modern LAW Isn't it a bitch. why not allow one thing and allow other.

Again one more queri??? Just regarding the al shabba like groups.

Now let's say sharia is imposed, and then what happens to non muslim faith follower. Are this people gonna killed. Cause it is in the holy book and all this sharia ideology comes from there. Specially for people not from the book.

I am interested in somalia cause it looks like the system is working OK in some part of the country. not really sure cause i don't think there is any unbiased reports from either side.

What we need to know is how average Somalian feels under the system. forget about Mogadishu cause it is a war zone.

It is very interesting concept. Crime can be reduced to almost nil.......... so do corruption........which really is a big issue in the old world....women might actually be safe.........weak people might get there right..............................on other hand women would also suffer more and individual liberty would be gone, religious freedom, tolerance and all that things, plus there is no guarantee the sharia enforcer wouldn't misuse there power. And the one who is not enforcing the sharia might suffer.

No system is perfect.