Soldier Mom Refusing to Report to Active Duty

[TallBill]

I have about 2 years left on the IRR. There is a program that cuts your IRR time in half and puts you in the Army reserves in a non deployable status. Essentially, my 24 months of IRR time would be reduced to 12 months of Army Reserve time. During those 12 months, I'd drill 2 days a month, pulling in $250, and be non-deployable.

Also, she can't plead ignorance to this program, because it is mandatory to meet with a reserve recruiter once a year and discuss such options. I received $190 to talk to a reserve recruiter for about 90 minutes about my options.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
I'm merely frustrated that some seem to take their commitment so casually. This is going to sound more corny than anything else perhaps but duty and honor means something. I can understand you not wanting to serve with people who have no concept of what I'm speaking about. My beef is that people who join should be prepared and plan for things. They have that duty, honor notwithstanding. Note I didn't say she should be held captive, but I do believe there need to be consequences for her actions. I get a feeling from some that it's a revolving door and if you say "hey if I can't do things my way I'll just walk" like any other job. How can one maintain order and the needed discipline if commitment is so casually dismissed?

Eh, I'm old school, and not really upset with you.

unfortunately most of them were lied to during recruit process... at least thats how it was a few years ago. Recruitors knew oral contracts won't stick without proof so they use it, not for the sake of duty or honor, but for the sake of meeting quotas.

to answer your question, I ask you.. How can one maintain order and the needed discipline if we have to rely on people we cannot trust our lives on?

 

[piasabird]

Tell the people in the Special Forces who died in Afghanistan that we are not at war.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Oh, and I call BS on that.

oh like i was gonna scan and send you my dd-214. damn scammer.

Where/when did you serve? What capacity? MOS?

I thought you called BS on that... contradictions... contradictions..

So I call BS, ask you to provide minimal proof, and that is somehow contradicting myself? Do you know what 'contradiction' means?

90s, san diego. LSD-** . navy. capacity? thats not even a legitimate question...

we are not in war with Afg. we are legally there and withdrawing.

It's statements like that which make me doubt you have any comprehension of current world events.

most people don't thnk we are in war

time to shut it?

Call it what you want, but it's a state of war.

looks like its you who are calling its a state of war.

read the link i provided.. looks like you are minority.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

I'm a single dad and i have never refused to go on any mission.

You have a choice, she obviously made the wrong one and now it's too late to change it, too bad for her but she's no child and she should know better.

Throw her in jail if she won't comply with her orders.

And to Hayabusa, yes, it DOES mean something to those who have honor, not everyone is like you and me though, it's hard to imagine how they can't be when you've been surrounded by men and women of honor, but some people are just in it to make money, they really don't share our views. They are all a disgrace to society and they should be treated like one.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I'm a single dad and i have never refused to go on any mission.

You have a choice, she obviously made the wrong one and now it's too late to change it, too bad for her but she's no child and she should know better.

Throw her in jail if she won't comply with her orders.

And to Hayabusa, yes, it DOES mean something to those who have honor, not everyone is like you and me though, it's hard to imagine how they can't be when you've been surrounded by men and women of honor, but some people are just in it to make money, they really don't share our views. They are all a disgrace to society and they should be treated like one.

Read my post above. There are decisions that should could have made which would have easily avoided this situation.

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Oh, and I call BS on that.

oh like i was gonna scan and send you my dd-214. damn scammer.

Where/when did you serve? What capacity? MOS?

I thought you called BS on that... contradictions... contradictions..

So I call BS, ask you to provide minimal proof, and that is somehow contradicting myself? Do you know what 'contradiction' means?

90s, san diego. navy. capacity? thats not even legitimate...

Legitimate? What capacity did you serve in? I don't think you know the meaning of "legitimate" either.

we are not in war with Afg. we are legally there and withdrawing.

It's statements like that which make me doubt you have any comprehension of current world events.

most people don't thnk we are in war

time to shut it?

Call it what you want, but it's a state of war.

looks like its you who are calling its a state of war.

read the link i provided.. looks like you are minority.

Oh lord, I must be wrong if a bunch of kids on a Yahoo group page seem to have the opinion that we aren't at war.

Honestly, are you huffing paint thinner right now?

 

[nobodyknows]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Oh, and I call BS on that.

oh like i was gonna scan and send you my dd-214. damn scammer.

Where/when did you serve? What capacity? MOS?

I thought you called BS on that... contradictions... contradictions..

So I call BS, ask you to provide minimal proof, and that is somehow contradicting myself? Do you know what 'contradiction' means?

90s, san diego. LSD-** . navy. capacity? thats not even a legitimate question...

we are not in war with Afg. we are legally there and withdrawing.

It's statements like that which make me doubt you have any comprehension of current world events.

most people don't thnk we are in war

time to shut it?

Call it what you want, but it's a state of war.

looks like its you who are calling its a state of war.

read the link i provided.. looks like you are minority.

So are you going to volunteer to take her place? Tell me if we are at war or not when you get back..... if you get back that is.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
how could someone plan for the unexpected? what if there is no money to pay for the children? its simply unrealistic and laughable.

Those of us in the military spend our entire lives doing exactly that.

Hell, even the Boy Scouts have it figured out... "Be Prepared!"

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: bbdub333

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
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Honestly, are you huffing paint thinner right now?

ok, that made me lawl! :laugh:

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: bbdub333
Legitimate? What capacity did you serve in? I don't think you know the meaning of "legitimate" either.

i have never heard of capacity, perhaps they don't use that anymore.
so Where/when did you serve? What capacity? MOS? have you even served? show your dd-214

Oh lord, I must be wrong if a bunch of kids on a Yahoo group page seem to have the opinion that we aren't at war.

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generalizing them as kids don't do you any good, it only further prove your stereotype and inability to read. people are entitled to their opinion.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
how could someone plan for the unexpected? what if there is no money to pay for the children? its simply unrealistic and laughable.

Those of us in the military spend our entire lives doing exactly that.

Hell, even the Boy Scouts have it figured out... "Be Prepared!"

once again, its its simply unrealistic and laughable

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
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generalizing them as kids don't do you any good, it only further prove your stereotype and inability to read. people are entitled to their opinion.

Are you honestly attempting to use posts from a yahoo message board as the basis for your argument that "the majority" believe we're not at war?! Really!??

Are you a High School graduate?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I'm a single dad and i have never refused to go on any mission.

You have a choice, she obviously made the wrong one and now it's too late to change it, too bad for her but she's no child and she should know better.

Throw her in jail if she won't comply with her orders.

And to Hayabusa, yes, it DOES mean something to those who have honor, not everyone is like you and me though, it's hard to imagine how they can't be when you've been surrounded by men and women of honor, but some people are just in it to make money, they really don't share our views. They are all a disgrace to society and they should be treated like one.

Read my post above. There are decisions that should could have made which would have easily avoided this situation.

I have to admit i don't know exactly how this works in the US.

She could have done what you suggest but she didn't.

Afghanistan sends you a Hello even though i know you'd rather forget of this hellhole of a place.

 

[jpeyton]

Put the kids in foster care. Problem solved.

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: bbdub333
Legitimate? What capacity did you serve in? I don't think you know the meaning of "legitimate" either.

i have never heard of capacity, perhaps they don't use that anymore.

They? It's not a military term. It's a commonly used English word. In what capacity did you serve = what the hell did you do.

so Where/when did you serve? What capacity? MOS? have you even served? show your dd-214

Currently serving. 11A5R. Infantry platoon leader, Airborne Ranger.

Oh lord, I must be wrong if a bunch of kids on a Yahoo group page seem to have the opinion that we aren't at war.

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generalizing them as kids don't do you any good, it only further prove your stereotype and inability to read. people are entitled to their opinion.

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Yes, they are entitled to their opinion. Too bad it's wrong. If I found a bunch of kids on Yahoo who had the opinion that we are not in a recession, would that make it so?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
how could someone plan for the unexpected? what if there is no money to pay for the children? its simply unrealistic and laughable.

Those of us in the military spend our entire lives doing exactly that.

Hell, even the Boy Scouts have it figured out... "Be Prepared!"

once again, its its simply unrealistic and laughable

You know what, go fuck yourself.

It's about doing your fucking duty, about having the honor to participate once you have signed up, it's not like they estimate who will go, the military has a number of units and all of them should be ready to go, if they are not, fuckem throw them in lockup.

If they don't want to be in the military, well don't fucking sign up, HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT?

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: bbdub333
11A5R. Infantry platoon leader, Airborne Ranger.

Cheers brother, SAS TFB here, in the middle of nowhere.

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: bbdub333


They? It's not a military term. It's a commonly used English word. In what capacity did you serve = what the hell did you do.

sea man. do not generalize military, we use position rather than capacity.

Yes, they are entitled to their opinion. Too bad it's wrong. If I found a bunch of kids on Yahoo who had the opinion that we are not in a recession, would that make it so?

prove it, or shut it!

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: palehorse

Originally posted by: JACKDRUID
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generalizing them as kids don't do you any good, it only further prove your stereotype and inability to read. people are entitled to their opinion.

Are you honestly attempting to use posts from a yahoo message board as the basis for your argument that "the majority" believe we're not at war?! Really!??

Are you a High School graduate?

then prove we are Not at majority.


CS BS, MCSD.net MCTS

your education level?

 

[bbdub333]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

Originally posted by: bbdub333
11A5R. Infantry platoon leader, Airborne Ranger.

Cheers brother, SAS TFB here, in the middle of nowhere.

Well I'll wave to you from the corner of nowhere this summer

 

[JACKDRUID]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield

You know what, go fuck yourself.

It's about doing your fucking duty, about having the honor to participate once you have signed up, it's not like they estimate who will go, the military has a number of units and all of them should be ready to go, if they are not, fuckem throw them in lockup.

If they don't want to be in the military, well don't fucking sign up, HOW FUCKING HARD IS THAT?

above is another proof, that our military is in a bad shape, fill with lying/uneducated people, who can't argue without profanity nor reasoning.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: palehorse
As a Reservist, every single major decision I make in my life must take into account the possibility of deployment. The same is true for every soldier, including those on IRR.

So, she most certainly has to do something to fulfill her obligation. A stateside assignment would make the most sense...

That's fine for her. Now when women get pregnant to get out of duty they don't like they'll have a precedent. "Hey, you let her get a cushy safe job. I want the same"

General discharge IMO.

which may apply, you know if, like she for all practicle purposes wasn't in the army and it's kinda hard to discharge someone not in and the practice of pulling people in solely to then discharge them ain't gonna fly for very long under PR pressure.

 

[palehorse]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: palehorse
As a Reservist, every single major decision I make in my life must take into account the possibility of deployment. The same is true for every soldier, including those on IRR.

So, she most certainly has to do something to fulfill her obligation. A stateside assignment would make the most sense...

That's fine for her. Now when women get pregnant to get out of duty they don't like they'll have a precedent. "Hey, you let her get a cushy safe job. I want the same"

General discharge IMO.

which may apply, you know if, like she for all practical purposes wasn't in the army and it's kinda hard to discharge someone not in and the practice of pulling people in solely to then discharge them ain't gonna fly for very long under PR pressure.

OK, for the last time, her current Individual Ready Reserve (IRR) status means that, "for all practical purposes," she is legally and contractually "still in."

 

[PokerGuy]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: PokerGuy
What's funny is that with the "hard line" approach that the military seems to be taking and that's advocated by some here, the negative PR makes it even more difficult for the military to recruit qualified candidates. The army spends all sorts of money trying to recruit women. What woman of child bearing age would want to enlist when she sees how you get treated if you do happen have a child?

Regardless of how you feel about her commitment etc, the welfare of the children has to come first. If there isn't a good option for their care without her, then she should stay. Everything else comes secondary to the welfare of those kids.

Then why didn't she provide for their welfare first? Hey, I'm a father. It's in the best interest of my kids that I don't get hurt. If I'm in the service, you'd better let me out. Oh, I'm male, and easily replaced?

If you were essentially the only caregiver for the kids, then yes, I would think it should apply to you as well -- it's not about you, it's about the kids. That would be an unusual situation, but it could happen.

Sorry, she's an individual and I'm not unsympathetic for her or her children. I just happen to realize that if there are no consequences to her actions, then women of childbearing years should not be allowed to enlist. This isn't a game.

Oh, like women are lining up in droves to enlist?? You can try and plan your life, but unexpected things happen over an 8 year time span, life changes. The army spends MILLIONS to try and get women to enlist. This kind of stuff is exactly why women generally don't.

A punitive approach makes absolutely no sense, because you're simply punishing the children and hurting the recruitment efforts that the army spends countless millions on every year. In case you haven't noticed, this story has now hit just about every major news outlet, and the vast majority of them are reporting the story as how the big bad army is mistreating this woman and making things difficult for all women. Yeah, that will help with recruitment :roll: