Solaris X enviorment

[Nothinman]

At first you might think this is a bad idea but I would rather a desktop which is compiled for my processor, which it wasn't. So there is no telling how stable the environment is.

If it wasn't compiled for the processor you're using it wouldn't run. If you're talking about running i386 binaries on an i686 CPU or something, that's largely irrelevant. There's a chance it'll be a very little bit slower because it won't be using any newer instructions, but I really doubt you'll notice.

are you sure? I would think that compiling an application would greatly increase the stability and swiftness of the app.

If anything it's the opposite, because you would most likely be building the thing in a different environment (compiler, linker, library, etc versions) subtle bugs and incompatibilities can be stumbled upon.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Sunner
Looks like $hit, slow, focus on mouseover by default, no good term program, crappy file browser.
Well, that's a start, haven't used it in a while, so I'm bound to remember more if I use it for a little while.

Sloppy focus rocks. That's the one thing I miss the most when using non-sloppy systems.

 

[Darien]

The looks don't bother me
I like the focus on mouseover
no comment about the term program
I don't use the filebrowser


...guess I know why CDE doesn't bother me then.

 

[Sunner]

Well, I guess you could say the worst thing about CDE is that there isn't anything good with it

I could live with a bunch of bads of there were a few goods to compensate, but I can't think of a single thing CDE does that lots of other WM's/DE's do better.

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: Megatomic

Originally posted by: midway
CDE makes the baby jesus cry

No doubt. I have to use it on the HP-UX workstations where I work. I've been told some developers have KDE and Gnome running on their personal stations.

<-- Jealous.

Quite the default color scheme HP imposes on it's users isn't it?

Other than the color scheme, CDE does not have enough virutal desktops, nor is it easy to customize or configure. On any given day I need between 7-10 virtual desktops, so I've switched to gnome on my C3600 at work.

 

[TonyRic]

From Sol9 GNOME is included and well supported.

 

[pitupepito2000]

Originally posted by: Darien
So alt-tab is your main gripe then.

Anyone else want to chime in?

They had cde at school, and I personally hated it. It was slow, ugly looking, didn't feel snappier. I also didn't like the file browser, or the way the menus were setup.

 

[pitupepito2000]

I had heard from some people that Linux runs better on Solaris hardware than Solaris itself. Is this true? if so are a lot of people or companies getting rid of solaris?

 

[Nothinman]

I had heard from some people that Linux runs better on Solaris hardware than Solaris itself. Is this true? if so are a lot of people or companies getting rid of solaris?

On older hardware I can see it happening easily. I had Solaris 8 on an Ultra2 for a few days and it wasn't fun, but I run Debian on it and the performance is fine.

 

[Basie]

I still havent figured out how to log off and reboot when in CDE. JDE is very similar to Linux. When logging off in CDE I get back to the Log on Screen. That's fine if it's like Fedora and would give me an option
to Reboot or Shutdown. Or is it there and I'm missing it. I have only spent about a half hour playing with it so far. And No Internet Connection. How crappy is that. So far I'm hating Solaris10. CDE is Ugly.

 

[thesix]

Some people also say Linux runs better on AIX hardware than AIX itself.

Is that true?

It all depends on what they do.

If you ask me, both AIX and Solaris are much better than Linux on their native platform,
and Solaris is better than Linux even on PC for the stuff I care.

On the other hand, I would choose Linux over the other two if what I need is the "latest and best" eye catching stuff or easy of use. Linux has better " usability " out of box, I would say.

T

 

[n0cmonkey]

Old Sun hardware is typically pefect for a BSD.

 

[Nothinman]

If you ask me, both AIX and Solaris are much better than Linux on their native platform,
and Solaris is better than Linux even on PC for the stuff I care.

Yea, because people like being thrown back into the 1980s. Who needs tab-completion, real package management, etc? And the fact that Sun is open sourcing Solaris tells me that they're beginning to realize that Linux is better than their software in almost every way and they're grasping at straws to generate buzz again. I have no doubts that there is still some kernel-level things that Solaris and AIX beat Linux at, but from a user/admin standpoint I'll choose Linux any day.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

If you ask me, both AIX and Solaris are much better than Linux on their native platform,
and Solaris is better than Linux even on PC for the stuff I care.

Yea, because people like being thrown back into the 1980s. Who needs tab-completion, real package management, etc? And the fact that Sun is open sourcing Solaris tells me that they're beginning to realize that Linux is better than their software in almost every way and they're grasping at straws to generate buzz again. I have no doubts that there is still some kernel-level things that Solaris and AIX beat Linux at, but from a user/admin standpoint I'll choose Linux any day.

Sun's package management isn't bad.
Tab completion exists in plenty of shells, install one. Preferably something decent instead of that bash shit.

 

[Nothinman]

Sun's package management isn't bad.

It's not good either.

Tab completion exists in plenty of shells, install one. Preferably something decent instead of that bash shit.

I prefer to use whatever's the default, it makes switching between boxes simpler.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

Sun's package management isn't bad.

It's not good either.

Tab completion exists in plenty of shells, install one. Preferably something decent instead of that bash shit.

I prefer to use whatever's the default, it makes switching between boxes simpler.

I prefer to standardize between boxes. It makes switching between boxes simpler.

 

[Nothinman]

I prefer to standardize between boxes. It makes switching between boxes simpler.

If you use the default the standardization is already done and you don't have to worry about the other people using those boxes bitching.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

I prefer to standardize between boxes. It makes switching between boxes simpler.

If you use the default the standardization is already done and you don't have to worry about the other people using those boxes bitching.

There's no standard default shell. They can set their account to whatever they want to use, I'll use the same shell on all systems if at all possible.

 

[Nothinman]

There's no standard default shell. They can set their account to whatever they want to use, I'll use the same shell on all systems if at all possible.

Sure there is, it's always either /bin/sh or /bin/ksh. And I'm talking about other people bitching about the root shell.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: Nothinman

There's no standard default shell. They can set their account to whatever they want to use, I'll use the same shell on all systems if at all possible.

Sure there is, it's always either /bin/sh or /bin/ksh. And I'm talking about other people bitching about the root shell.

I don't change the root shell. If I have to use root long enough to care about the shell, I can type in 2-4 characters.

 

[thesix]

Yea, because people like being thrown back into the 1980s. Who needs tab-completion, real package management, etc? And the fact that Sun is open sourcing Solaris tells me that they're beginning to realize that Linux is better than their software in almost every way and they're grasping at straws to generate buzz again. I have no doubts that there is still some kernel-level things that Solaris and AIX beat Linux at, but from a user/admin standpoint I'll choose Linux any day.

"back into the 1980s"?
You think AIX and Solaris have been staying in the 80s?

tab-completion?
It's a shell feature you know?
I am using ksh on all systems anyway (for me it's much easier to reach Esc than the Up_Arrow, so I am staying away from bash).

Real package management?
You acutally mean easy package management right? which takes care of the dependencies, like www.blastwave.org ?
The AIX/Solaris package management are very real to me.

Some kernel-level things?
So you don't care much of kernel-level things, that's perfectly fine. The point is a normal user has no need to care about it, it should just works.

But then I don't think you care about RAS either right? What's the point RAS? Linux runs stable for years and if anything goes wrong, you have the source code and you can find the bug and fix it, right?

Ok, let's stick with the things you do care: usability.
Tell me something you find so unique about Linux that Solaris doesn't have ( AIX is not designed for home/PC users, so let's leave it out).

I'll start with some "OS reviewer"'s favorate:

1. Install and boot
2. Support of wide range of hardware

Before we comment on that two (it's getting late), anything else you want to add?
You said using Solaris/AIX is like going back to 80s, so there has to be something else ... how many times you have to install and boot an *nix anyway, right?

BTW, Let's don't get into CDDL/BSD v.s. GPL issue, ok?

T

 

[Sunner]

Well, Solaris certainly has it's share of usability issues, for lack of a better word.
The installer itself sucks in a big way for example, doing any kind of detailed package selection is a major PITA.
Doesn't create a windex database by default, no biggie but nevertheless annoying, and I can see someone coming from BSD or Linux being confused by this.
Lacks many things by default, for example top, not to mention the userland sorta sucks, though this did improve in Solaris 9.
Oh and the slowest installer in the history of mankind.

This is coming from a Solrais fan by the way, despite it's shortcomings I still like Solaris, it has it's ups and downs just like other OS's do.