Yes I agree with this. Search around and check with competitor companies to see if they will pay you more before voicing your concerns at your current company.
i wouldnt ask for a raise now. wait for your scheduled annual review, and see if they bump you up to something you think to be more fair. at your review, if they lowball you, express your concerns over your salary, without mentioning what you know your coworkers are making. if they dont bite, start looking for another job.
waggy
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heh when i was working. IF someone came in and threatned to quit if i didnt give him a raise i would tell them OK we are sad to see you go. how about a going away party friday? Then if you change your mind YOU are the first person on my list to be fired/laid off.
you are expendable. there are kids comeing out of college that are just as good as you that will work for less then 63k.
you are expendable. there are kids comeing out of college that are just as good as you that will work for less then 63k.
Originally posted by: rh71
I've always wondered - do they cut your pay a bit if you move to a lesser cost of living area but stay with the same company ?Originally posted by: iamwiz82
He lives in California. $63k is like $35k everywhere else
Yes, I've heard of that happening frequently. I've also known people who got a job with a company and had the choice of locations and say 65k in austin vs 75k in cali.
Don't listen to the ignorants saying "you are expendable" and "You're making $63k at your age? That's good!" That's nonsense. Not to toot my own horn, but I was making a little over that before I was 20, and I was in your same shoes. The only reason I was able to do it is because I kept moving forward, and I paid no attention to those who said, "This is good money for someone your age." Only YOU know what you're worth, so don't let others try to denigrate that. If you're making this much now, then obviously you're doing something right! Go get what's yours!
Also, those with the "expendable" comments have likely not held a higher position of any importance. There are indeed key people in organizations, and they are not expendable or easily replaceable. That is a seriously pour outlook.
imo
Also, those with the "expendable" comments have likely not held a higher position of any importance. There are indeed key people in organizations, and they are not expendable or easily replaceable. That is a seriously pour outlook.
imo
Originally posted by: Descartes
Don't listen to the ignorants saying "you are expendable" and "You're making $63k at your age? That's good!" That's nonsense. Not to toot my own horn, but I was making a little over that before I was 20, and I was in your same shoes. The only reason I was able to do it is because I kept moving forward, and I paid no attention to those who said, "This is good money for someone your age." Only YOU know what you're worth, so don't let others try to denigrate that. If you're making this much now, then obviously you're doing something right! Go get what's yours!
Also, those with the "expendable" comments have likely not held a higher position of any importance. There are indeed key people in organizations, and they are not expendable or easily replaceable. That is a seriously pour outlook.
imo
While I agree with you, it is important to have backups. See if you are able to find a higher paying job somewhere else before you bring up salary increase with management.
In the tech industry, salary increase happens faster when you jump from company to company vs staying at the same company for 10+ years. There is also more risk this way and you somewhat alienate the companies you leave although I've often seen cases of people leaving a company, working somewhere else, coming back in 2 or 3 years and making double what they did when they left initially.
Originally posted by: amoeba
Originally posted by: Descartes
Don't listen to the ignorants saying "you are expendable" and "You're making $63k at your age? That's good!" That's nonsense. Not to toot my own horn, but I was making a little over that before I was 20, and I was in your same shoes. The only reason I was able to do it is because I kept moving forward, and I paid no attention to those who said, "This is good money for someone your age." Only YOU know what you're worth, so don't let others try to denigrate that. If you're making this much now, then obviously you're doing something right! Go get what's yours!
Also, those with the "expendable" comments have likely not held a higher position of any importance. There are indeed key people in organizations, and they are not expendable or easily replaceable. That is a seriously pour outlook.
imo
While I agree with you, it is important to have backups. See if you are able to find a higher paying job somewhere else before you bring up salary increase with management.
In the tech industry, salary increase happens faster when you jump from company to company vs staying at the same company for 10+ years. There is also more risk this way and you somewhat alienate the companies you leave although I've often seen cases of people leaving a company, working somewhere else, coming back in 2 or 3 years and making double what they did when they left initially.
I completely agree with you on that. I wasn't suggesting taking a flight of fancy without a parachute; rather, I was just trying to balance out the obvious cynicism and negativity from many.
Gotta say, rocking the boat can bite you if you're not careful. At my last job I was considered pretty important to the team. I knew everything there was to know about our software, had built all the installers myself and was the only one that new how to do it, plus did a lot of other things that no one else knew how to do. They depended on me for many, many things. So, I got cocky, and decided to rock the boat over some things the employer was doing wrong. My beef was legit, and the employer was in the wrong, but it didn't matter. When I started being the squeaky wheel, I didn't get the grease, I got the boot. I was making a good amount at my last job, but I decided to rock the boat, and it bit me in the ass. Now after being out of work for 8 months, I recently accepted a desktop support position in the 40's just to get back to work, even though my previous job paid a decent amount more (although not 63K!). I'm not saying you shouldn't ask for a raise, just be careful in how you do it. If you do it the right way, and stay positive with your boss, you should get what you deserve. Do it the wrong way, and you're going to be on the outside looking in.
But damn, 63k? That's some damn good money at 23. Man, I need to go back to programming, or something else much more technical than I am in. I was on that track in school, but got tired of being a cube monkey, so I switched to desktop support where I could get out and about.
But damn, 63k? That's some damn good money at 23. Man, I need to go back to programming, or something else much more technical than I am in. I was on that track in school, but got tired of being a cube monkey, so I switched to desktop support where I could get out and about.
waggy
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Originally posted by: Descartes
Don't listen to the ignorants saying "you are expendable" and "You're making $63k at your age? That's good!" That's nonsense. Not to toot my own horn, but I was making a little over that before I was 20, and I was in your same shoes. The only reason I was able to do it is because I kept moving forward, and I paid no attention to those who said, "This is good money for someone your age." Only YOU know what you're worth, so don't let others try to denigrate that. If you're making this much now, then obviously you're doing something right! Go get what's yours!
Also, those with the "expendable" comments have likely not held a higher position of any importance. There are indeed key people in organizations, and they are not expendable or easily replaceable. That is a seriously pour outlook.
imo
heh i have owned my own business wich i sold and took a job as head of an IT department. So yes i have held a high position.
Unless he is something special (doubtfull but possible) he is expendable. Many managers will not take to being threatned with them quiting. IF he is as good as he says he will get raises. It will take a while but that is why he should ASK for them BUT not threaten.
While i agree 63k is good for his age i have seen others make a LOT more.
waggy
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Originally posted by: amoeba
Originally posted by: Descartes
Don't listen to the ignorants saying "you are expendable" and "You're making $63k at your age? That's good!" That's nonsense. Not to toot my own horn, but I was making a little over that before I was 20, and I was in your same shoes. The only reason I was able to do it is because I kept moving forward, and I paid no attention to those who said, "This is good money for someone your age." Only YOU know what you're worth, so don't let others try to denigrate that. If you're making this much now, then obviously you're doing something right! Go get what's yours!
Also, those with the "expendable" comments have likely not held a higher position of any importance. There are indeed key people in organizations, and they are not expendable or easily replaceable. That is a seriously pour outlook.
imo
While I agree with you, it is important to have backups. See if you are able to find a higher paying job somewhere else before you bring up salary increase with management.
In the tech industry, salary increase happens faster when you jump from company to company vs staying at the same company for 10+ years. There is also more risk this way and you somewhat alienate the companies you leave although I've often seen cases of people leaving a company, working somewhere else, coming back in 2 or 3 years and making double what they did when they left initially.
You are right. IF he wants a higher paying job he will have to look with a different company. But to threaten to quit if he does not get a raise is silly.
He should start looking for a new job. IF he gets an offer go talk to your boss. Tell him this is what i was offered can you guys beat it (at the least match it). That way you do not piss him off and you have a job if you want.
Threatening to quit will usually backfire on you.
Wow man, that's a really crappy situation to be in. Yes, you have full rights to demand a raise. If you're as important to the project as you say you are, they should give it to you right away. Otherwise I'd start looking for a new job immediately.
For a period of time I've been in the same boat as you. Exactly the same, as a matter of fact including the number of years and salary. Except in our case the company was doing bad so we had a freeze on raises/new hires. As soon as things got slightly better I got my raise.
IHateMyJob2004
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Software LEAD
Tight Sceadual.
Start looking for a new job and when you get an offer tell them you want a raise or you walk today.
Simple.
And I have 5 years experience and make less than you so F-off. (beenfits make up for it though)
Also. A masters/pHD in software makes NO SENSE! The teechnology changes to fast.
Do what I did. Take that lesson from college. Learn to learn. I am no longer "interested" in my job. I enjoy investing more so now. I will never go back to school. And eventually I will retire early. Only should take $300K or so to do so ata minimum. Hell, today I just made $2000+ by selling naked puts. Havn't "closed" the position yet, so technically I havn't made anything. No hijacking so no more on this.
Just learn ASAP the fact that engineers are sh!t upon and figure out a way out.
--- AS for your salary, welcome to salary scales. You simply won't make more until you get experience. All in due time. You are getting leadership experience right now, so you might be senior engineer before you know it. At my comapny it's 3-5 years and masters "prefered". I got promoted in just over 3 years due to leadership experience.
The odds of you being irreplacable at your age with your experience are not good for you. It might take some other person a while to get acclimated to the way things work, but if push comes to shove, you can bet that someone can do your job, and probably do it better. Don't give yourself so much credit, or at least don't give a company too little credit. Even if they get some guy who sucks, the company will adjust and things in the end will work out for them.
If you want a reality check, check to see whether the building burns down when you are on vacation. If not, then you are not as valuable as you think.
All that said, the point is that you shouldn't overvalue your experience on that exact project in terms of what it means salarywise. The manager who just started is of course going to take a while to get acclimated. If you got a new manager who didn't hang on you for information at first then he would be a pretty crappy manager.
What would happen if they gave you a raise and then asked you to do something on a completely different project that someone who gets paid what you do could normally do, but you can't, since your pay is based only on your value to the current project? Will you take a pay cut?
If you want a reality check, check to see whether the building burns down when you are on vacation. If not, then you are not as valuable as you think.
All that said, the point is that you shouldn't overvalue your experience on that exact project in terms of what it means salarywise. The manager who just started is of course going to take a while to get acclimated. If you got a new manager who didn't hang on you for information at first then he would be a pretty crappy manager.
What would happen if they gave you a raise and then asked you to do something on a completely different project that someone who gets paid what you do could normally do, but you can't, since your pay is based only on your value to the current project? Will you take a pay cut?
Koing
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It is the people who boss the code monkeys that make better money. Sure they know less or jack sh!t about coding BUT that isn't what it is about. They get the code monkey's to do stuff (open banana, eat banaa, throw banana skin in bin )
Well I'd do LESS work and see how they take to that. Probably not a good idea but I'd stay with them and go about asking for a raise. The job market in the states seems tight so I would not push my luck witht hat.
Getting paid is better then nothing.
Good luck you seem talented.
I hope I can land a decent job next year also
Koing
)Well I'd do LESS work and see how they take to that. Probably not a good idea but I'd stay with them and go about asking for a raise. The job market in the states seems tight so I would not push my luck witht hat.
Getting paid is better then nothing.
Good luck you seem talented.
I hope I can land a decent job next year also
Koing
Don't listen to those saying you have every right to demand a raise. With 1.5 years of experience, you are small fry. Everyone thinks they're irreplaceable until the company lays them off. In the corporate world, you have to understand that more work doesn't equal more pay, necessarily. Just because you work twice as much as employee B, it doesn't mean you should get double what employee B is getting paid.
Start looking for other positions at different companies. If you get an offer, tell your company you really enjoy working for them but you have this higher offer on the table. There are many civilized ways in getting a raise than to "demand" it.
Start looking for other positions at different companies. If you get an offer, tell your company you really enjoy working for them but you have this higher offer on the table. There are many civilized ways in getting a raise than to "demand" it.
word to the wise.
Don't dare let anybody else know that you know other's salaries. Nothing good can come from it.
Politely show why your valuable and why you deserve a raise. No raise?
Start looking elsewhere and when you have something lined up or another offer just tell your boss "I'm forced to pusue other opportunities but I'd love to stay here. I just need more money and am prepared to accept another offer."
Don't dare let anybody else know that you know other's salaries. Nothing good can come from it.
Politely show why your valuable and why you deserve a raise. No raise?
Start looking elsewhere and when you have something lined up or another offer just tell your boss "I'm forced to pusue other opportunities but I'd love to stay here. I just need more money and am prepared to accept another offer."
What you negotiate your salary to be may be independent of what someone else gets paid.
You can always ask for a raise and you might even actually deserve one. I wouldn?t expect to get one if I was in your shoes. And I might not even ask for one. Why? Being paid whatever you are paid is a lot better than the alternative of becoming a disgruntled ex-employee. If you dislike it that much then I would try to find another job, another employer, and then hit them with your request for more pay. If they say no, and you have somewhere to go, then move on.
You can always ask for a raise and you might even actually deserve one. I wouldn?t expect to get one if I was in your shoes. And I might not even ask for one. Why? Being paid whatever you are paid is a lot better than the alternative of becoming a disgruntled ex-employee. If you dislike it that much then I would try to find another job, another employer, and then hit them with your request for more pay. If they say no, and you have somewhere to go, then move on.
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