Software as a subscription takes another step forward

Exterous

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Just got notice that Autodesk is no longer going to offer upgrades for old versions of their software in an effort to push more people to their subscription model
Autodesk is evolving its business model to achieve a stronger and ongoing relationship with its customers, offering perpetual software licenses with Subscription and Desktop Subscriptions (software rental) as the primary purchasing options.

Just one more reason to think that they are assholes.
 

Imp

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I think Malwarebytes no longer lets you buy once and keep upgrading forever. Lucky I got in before the change.
 

Brian Stirling

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I can not stand subscription based software as it ALWAYS means I have to pay more and it also means that as soon as you stop paying you lose the use of all you files. It's a shame we live in a time when business can do whatever they wish and the customer is f'd.

I've been a Photoshop user since 2002 and have typically purchased the upgrades about every 2nd version or about every 3rd year. At a nominal $190 for 36 months that's $5.28/month. The subscription plan starts at $9.99/month - -nearly double what I've been paying and there's no guarantee the price will stay at $9.99. A year or two down the road the price is likely to be $14.99/month and, once again, when you stop paying all your images are worthless.

There's a name for this -- extortion!


Brian
 

Vdubchaos

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I read: companies are finding more ways and are more creative in extracting more money out of their customers.

:cool:
 

Golgatha

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Windows 8 keeps hounding for everyone to login with a Microsoft account instead of a local account. It's just a matter of time before even your OS will be on a subscription. Unfortunately Adobe has made ridiculous money after switching to a subscription only model, so from a business standpoint, it makes the most sense to make the switch to a subscription model if you can get away with it.
 

smackababy

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Software subscriptions aren't anything new, just moving out of enterprise. And, for a lot of people, it isn't a bad thing. Dividing the cost out of lump sum (and software is increasing in price) helps. Who can afford $300 for a Windows license upfront? Not nearly as many people that can afford $9.99 a month. Rent-a-center made a business out of this with furniture and electronics.
 

Hugo Drax

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Piracy will need to make a comeback. Back in the 80s when companies had onerous copy protection and insane pricing, it took software piracy to get them to price software fairly and get rid of the insane copy protection as well.

Looks like the pendulum is swinging back again to the other end.
 

Brian Stirling

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Piracy is one factor here but the truth is they are pricing the subscription in a manner they calculate to extract more money from there PAYING customers. If this was just about piracy they could price it to be revenue neutral for paying customers and collect from those that had previously stolen.

What needs to happen is for the second tier software companies that have been marginalized by the likes of Adobe to step up and offer legitimate alternatives and for unhappy customers to buy the alternative.


Brian
 

jana519

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In some ways this change will create more innovations and demand for free, open-source software. so...
 

zokudu

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I don't know about autodesks model but some subscription software is nice. I think Office 365 is an absolutely amazing deal for what it is. It all comes down to adding value and the 1TB extra onedrive storage is a pretty good incentive.
 

lxskllr

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In some ways this change will create more innovations and demand for free, open-source software. so...

Libre CAD offerings are pretty weak. I've been fooling around with LibreCad, and while it does what I require, it's no Autocad replacement. I'm a little surprised tbh. I'd expect a lot of people with knowhow(engineering/science types) would try to get it in a more usable state.
 

rh71

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subs require machines to be internet-connected, at least whenever it checks for a valid license. What if you or your business cannot have it connected for whatever valid reason?

I think there are "phone" options and doesn't this lead to easy cracks?
 

smackababy

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subs require machines to be internet-connected, at least whenever it checks for a valid license. What if you or your business cannot have it connected for whatever valid reason?

I think there are "phone" options and doesn't this lead to easy cracks?

Most places I've been that use subscription licenses give you a license file, and it doesn't require constant connections. Is this easy to get around? Sure, but most software companies deal with enterprise licenses, and support that software decently well. So, pirating it on a large scale (company wide) isn't really a great idea or practical.
 

Kaido

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In some cases this is pretty cool. I hate the idea of a monthly Office subscription, but at the same time, you can online/smartphone/tablet versions along with 1TB of online storage, so if you have a requirement to stay compatible with the rest out of the world (outside of Google Apps), then that's pretty cool.

Plus there are just so many neat, high-end systems out there like Amazon's Cloud, Microsoft Dynamics, Netsuite, Lifesize Cloud, RingCentral, Box.net, etc. You can get access to every single Adobe program for $50 a month, which makes it a LOT more affordable as a student. It adds up over time, but you can usually use it on whatever computer you're at, get constant updates & version upgrades, etc., so it's not a complete fail.
 

Jeff7

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Autodesk is evolving its business model to achieve a stronger and ongoing relationship with its customers, offering perpetual software licenses with Subscription and Desktop Subscriptions (software rental) as the primary purchasing options.
Marketing puke like this is pathetic.

"Autodesk wants more of your money, and since all of your models and drawings are in our proprietary format, you'd be screwed once we switch to a payment model where your software will stop working if you stop paying the subscription fee. But it's for your own good."




subs require machines to be internet-connected, at least whenever it checks for a valid license. What if you or your business cannot have it connected for whatever valid reason?

I think there are "phone" options and doesn't this lead to easy cracks?
Or the impossible happens: The internet connection goes down.
"Sorry, Internet's offline. Everyone go home.
Oh, wait, nevermind. The parking gates are connected to the Cloud-based parking space counting system, and they won't open unless they have an Internet connection to ensure that the management software's subscription is all paid up."



In some ways this change will create more innovations and demand for free, open-source software. so...
Or go back to more reasonable usage rules.
The layout software I use at work is nice: It allows multiple instances on one machine. So while one instance is busy processing something, I can open another one. Or I can open several instances just to be able to easily copy/paste between others.

Other software says "Nope, you've got one instance open already, and you only have one license. PIRATE!" So if I'm in the middle of a step that I can't switch out of, and I need to reference another component, I need to either half-ass the last part of that step so I can exit out of it, or else cancel it, reference the other part, and start over.

Kisslicer is a usable piece of independent software for 3d printers. "Usable" because the interface is a bit wonky, but it gets the job done. The software that came with the consumer-grade 3d printer that I use at work is really pretty pathetic. It is very sluggish, and offers only very basic control over the machine.
Kisslicer will use all 4 Hyperthreaded cores to do its job, and even on one core it's fast. It also offers advanced control over many aspects of the printer.

There's a limited free version, or a $35 version.
License:
"MAY be used for commercial applications
MAY be installed on multiple personal computers
MAY be backed up
The PRO Key MUST NOT be shared
MUST NOT be reverse engineered"


Commercial, individual, whatever, don't care.




But the larger companies would prefer to assume that you are a thief, and then have a tap put into an artery to siphon off a bit of blood now and then.
 

Hacp

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Subscription model is the future for enterprise level software. Otherwise, you'll have "customers" calling you about software you discontinued 8 years ago that was written for windows 2000. With subscription, you can provide a superior level of service and better software because of the continuous revenue stream.
 

Tweak155

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Subscription model is the future for enterprise level software. Otherwise, you'll have "customers" calling you about software you discontinued 8 years ago that was written for windows 2000. With subscription, you can provide a superior level of service and better software because of the continuous revenue stream.

Yes, I'm sure that is their main focus!
 

Hacp

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Yes, I'm sure that is their main focus!

I understand what you're implying, but it is far from the truth. Many companies have their Development and Support budgets as a fixed percentage of overall revenue. It is what they need to do to please shareholders. Thus, in order to hire more developers and support staff, they need to increase their revenues.
 

Tweak155

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I understand what you're implying, but it is far from the truth. Many companies have their Development and Support budgets as a fixed percentage of overall revenue. It is what they need to do to please shareholders. Thus, in order to hire more developers and support staff, they need to increase their revenues.

We've identified the root cause!
 

Hugo Drax

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Piracy is one factor here but the truth is they are pricing the subscription in a manner they calculate to extract more money from there PAYING customers. If this was just about piracy they could price it to be revenue neutral for paying customers and collect from those that had previously stolen.

What needs to happen is for the second tier software companies that have been marginalized by the likes of Adobe to step up and offer legitimate alternatives and for unhappy customers to buy the alternative.


Brian

What I am saying is things like this actually increase piracy. You will see people start pirating the software that would have been paying customers in the past.
 

smackababy

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What I am saying is things like this actually increase piracy. You will see people start pirating the software that would have been paying customers in the past.

I find it increasingly difficult to believe someone willing to spend $650 for Adobe suite is going to resort to pirating it because it "jumps" in price to $50 a month.