Socket A cooler that is most Quiet?

[savoyl1]

Maybe you will like this review better. People seem to like these coolers so they can't all be nuts. I don't have one and I don't think they are the coolest you can get but I have heard they are very quiet and do a good job of cooling.
Silverado Review

 

[Hanky]

<< Now ya got a silverado, small heatsink, crappy 2 peice who knows if its sitting flush with each other base, and 2 blower fans what do you get. A good seller to the dumbass. >>

This is maybe a little bit exaggerated but I wouldn't get a Silverado as well...nothing against AConto (the company behind the trademark Noisecontrol), they sell great products but the Silverado looks strange enough to raise serious doubts and is expensive enough to keep me away from trying to prove my doubts wrong...so, I'd suggest to get a good cheap heatsink, Volcano II or whatever, and put a decent, low-noise-high-cfm fan on it (Papst... ).

 

[Soccerman]

Well, all I know is I have a PEP66, which is about as noisy as my FOP32, but it's running in a hot environment, so either it's temps are cooler but the thermister is not accurate, or the hot air is ruining the efficiency.

I'd recommend it as a quiet solution. It runs fine for the warm environment, though I expected a bit more (though my case only has 1 fan, plus the PS fan).

 

[heffe734]

Geesh...you rather would settle for quiet over performance...go with what cools best. Taisol's are good and so is the Alpha Pep...pep doesn't fit on the epox 8k7a i heard but anyways...or if you got the dinero man...swiftech mc-462A...i love mine...

 

[KF]

>The fact stands is Tomshardware reviews are poor, he doesn't take really anytime doing >his reviews right. None of his reviews in the past 2 years or so have been informing, >most of the information he gives is incorrect and just a ball of laughs. The heatsink >review being the last review i've seen, pointing out the Super Orb beats the Alpha >PEP66 ...

Oh, you're a troll. The reviews at Tom's I've seen are consistent with what is elsewhere, often before others have done the corresponding test, so somehow they get the same result without knowing what anyone else will do. Carelessness I guess.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/01q2/010521/cooler-29.html
Alpha PEP66T (3800rpm Sanyo Denki fan) came in nineth (temp 39), Thermaltake Aircooler 22 (temp 43). Thermaltake Super Orb (6400RPM fan) at seven (temp 39) scores the same as Alpha PEP66T. Seems reasonable to me. Why not to you?

I quote from Lord Kyro's review at Tom's:
&quot;We can only warn against purchasing the Super Orb, which is nothing but your classic phoney.&quot; Trying to suck up to Thermaltake by giving then a great review, I guess.

So somehow, you say due to carelessness or the Thermaltake ads (not) on the web page, the Super Orb tied with an Alpha PEP66T. But the excellent Alphas sit where they should compared to the others, judged by reviews elsewhere and the other excellent designs that score about the same elsewhere. (Of course if you put killer loud fans on Alphas they can kick butt.)

The Orbs often test well, but sometimes they do not. I presume you need to get a good one, where the center and outer piece are joined well, and the clip makes the sink sit just right on the slug, which is difficult to do because the clip does not press on the sink at a single point above the CPU slug, like usual clips do, but grabs onto a rim that is much larger than the slug. It was not so critical when the slugs were bigger.

>A well respected person on the ars forums tested out 2 loud blower type fans on his >large taisol 742, results were a yawn, ...
Maybe this well respected person did not do a good design.

The only thing I could find was:
http://unlimitedhardware.com/product_reviews_articles/UH_X2_article/UH_X2_page01.htm
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I was surprised not only to find that the UH X2 was keeping up with what the FDP-32 could do but it actually allowed my Celeron to run 3c cooler. ...
... even in a dual configuration the Gamma 28s installed in the UH X2 only put out about 18cfm as compared to the 27cfm of the 60mm YS Tech fan that comes standard on the FDP-32.
&quot;
Maybe this (old article)is where the idea for the Silverado came from. The blowers are probably delivering more real-life CFM, probably a lot more due to the higher pressure and the well directed air flow. Fans (or blowers) don't produce anywhere near the rated CFM when attached to heat sinks (or under any load), due to the HSF's miserable air flow design, which seems to splash air at random and hope for the best. The manufacturer's test conditions are completely different, and no doubt differ from manufacture to manufacturer. Similarly the sound tests. Fans mounted to something make way more noise than by themselves unless the mounting is done with sophistication. Likewise the air flow itself will generate a lot of noise depending on how it flows, which translates into the HSF design.
Furnaces usually use blowers, most likely for their quietness, and also move large volumes of air. OTOH, a tiny one inch blower drum is bound to make a lot of grating, high-pitched noise when you spin it real fast to get high CFM.

 

[GiZzO]

The Orbs are more show then anything else there pleasing to eyes and looks impressive. But as for performance is is no where near the lines of the PEP66. The Orb is fine for something less then a Celeron 600, if you throw this on hot chip like a Thunderbird 1.33, thats total murder for you CPU, but fine for an Alpha PEP66. If we refer to the C/W values and 0.35 for the PEP66 with a Sanyo Denki fan, and 0.61 for the SuperOrB, throw it on 1.4 Thunderbird super orb with be at a nice Toasty 190F! The PEP66 at 150F. The SuperORB would be running beyond AMD's specs and you got yourself a nice keychain, all cause your dumbass followed a bogus review, and plus Thermaltake specs it to handle a 1.5g which is totally nutso you'd be seeing over 200F.
Tom also uses the socket thermistor to get his temp read outs. Now this procedure is very crude and can be inconsitant, because all its doing is measuring the air temp under the CPU. This leaves you with a less sensative tool, and numbers are vairy alot less between heatsink to heatsink. But I don't think this is really the issue, hes just biased towards what he favors his sponsers, if you really look at some his past reviews and keep this in mind it will realy stand out. I do not visit that website myself i picked it up from many others saying same ole thing that Tom is biased, and hes reviews do prove it. He is a joke to the computer hardware community.

pHaestus made this adapter, its in fact a better design then the one you showed because, sucking end of the blower are faced out. Unlike the one you showed 1 blower is somewhat by mounted close to ther other, even though he did try and make a gap it still will hinder the powerformance of it greatly.
Pic of Blower Adapter

Have you ever tried a blower fan, they aren't quiet at all. I got one of the quietest ones i could find for experamenting at 32db, and its much louder then a fan thats 32db. Why...because since you are forcing the air down at high presure, it makes alot of noise air being pushed through the casing of the blower.
Whats good about blowers is it will give you directed air, at somewhat higher presure, but over a small area. Presure is somewhat important removing heat from a heatsink, but if all your doing is blowing over a small area its not gonna do much. Its not as efficent as a axial fan thats gonna blow out alot air over alot of the heatsink surface, more air passing through more of the fins equal better cooling. But anyways more then just 1 has tried this out and have come up short, so it echos again, blowers don't work for this application.

Since your a newbie i'll excuse you of your ignorance.

GiZzO's Fan Database Page

 

[KF]

>Since your a newbie i'll excuse you of your ignorance.
Since you are a senior member, your ignorance is inexcusable.
I wish I could say I profited from reading your posts.
Goodbye troll.

 

[savoyl1]

Its funny Gizzo that I don't see any bad reviews for the silverado when you claim it is such a poor design. I gave you another link to a site giving the silverado a decent review other than Tom's. Since you may want to see an opinion of an overclocker who is not influenced by advertizers I suggest you go over to HardwareCentral.com and check out the cooling section in the forums.You will find a string by a fellow named Cal who loves his new silverado.

I can not fully endorse this product without having tried it myself but neither should you be discouraging its use when you obviously have no first hand knowledge of the product. I have not seen one link by you yet to back up your obviously uninformed opinion.

 

[GiZzO]

I don't have any experance with this heatsink. But i have had experance with several blower fans which makes this heatsink unquie. I do not favor this heatsink cause of this: The silver base is totaly seperate of the heatsink, and screwed in. Attaching these two surfaces together, theres a big chance of either one not coming completely flush with the other. For review units units these two surfaces could have been finished off, example as in the past we've seen how review units and the ones you buy can differ, hedgehog, thermosonic.
Using a silver base is almost a waste of money, Copper would have done just as well, but of course silver is more tasteful. The heatsink is self is pretty cheesy it looks like just some old generic heatsink, with a very small fin count, and a couple of the fins impeed the airflow from flowing all the way down to fins, which look like they were designed for screw holes for a axial fan.
Blower fans are not quiet but can be if you undervolt it will be, but then ya got a weak breeze. The thing is its like 80+ bucks hard to find, you can do better starting off with a good large heatsink with alot surface area, like a CGK760, Alpha PEP, SK6..whatever, and just throw on a quiet fan 1/3rd of the price and room to perform better. If you wanted even do the same thing use two undervolted Blower fans. But as ppl have tried this even myself, resulted unhappy results. If blower fans were so great you'd see alot of ppl doing the same and modifing there heatsink in such a way.

- Silverado counts 10-13 fins, couple of em don't even reach the top, note also the poor base that looks like its been dragged across the ground (the heatsink base not the silver plate)
- Pic of a well made heatsink with a count of 36 fins! Now thats alota surface area
- Taisol 760 counts 20 fins across its short end, and alot of em 120 to be exact, they are very tall. Heatsink is also forged, and copper base is embed, not slopply added on to the heatsink

 

[GiZzO]

Cal better love it for how much he paid for it, but if you look around on these forum you'll also see how many ppl were disapointed with it. With a PIII or CII you might be happy with it cause those don't really require great cooling, but if you were to throw it on a hot chip producing over 50 watts (Duron or Thunder over 800mhz)Im pretty sure you would be pretty pissed of with its performance, considering how much you paid for it. If fact the silverado could push better numbers on a 20watt chip, because its able to blow air over the center fins, which an axial fan blows around. But with a hotter setup it would be just too much for it an this is were the axial fan would shine because it is able to blanket the large volume of air over alot of the fins, rahter then small pointed directed air, over a few fins. This is why heatsink manufactures use axial fans, they don't really care of your idle temps being cooler more of keeping your full load temps in check. Also blower fans are too large and heavy, whcih is probably another thing to point out about the silverado, its heavy, and its clip doesn't look too promising at all.

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- Tomshardware review, note where the SuperOrb is
- Compare is to Anandtech's heatsink review, which uses a much more acruate testing
Theres a big difference between both of these reviews, another bad move by Tom is i noticed he put a vibration pad under his CPU, which makes it even harder to get any good numbers out of it, it does insolate heat, and the probe has to read through that making testing even less sensative. Anand's heat simulator is only putting out enough heat to simulate a 750mhz chip, ~40watts, those numbers would greatly seperate at 1.2g+ ~70watts, which a big majority are running these days.

 

[nord1899]

I just recently got a Zalman CNPS-5000+ and it runs very nicely and quietly. It keeps my new 1.2 GHz Athlon at the same temp as my old 800 MHz Athlon with an Alpha-6035 hs (4000+ rpm fan on it).

Personally, I think there are a bunch more factors involved in noise than just the hs+fan. Case fans, hdd, power supplies and cd/dvd drives generate a lot of noise. I've fitted my setup with panaflo fans, enermax whisper ps, and cooler bays to keep it cool and quiet.

Granted I've never heard a Delta screamer in person so I don't know how it compares to what I've got, but I like my setup.

 

[savoyl1]

I encourage anyone interested in a low noise cooler to do some research on the Silverado and other low noise coolers. Gizzo brings up some good points especially the one about the weight of this cooler which is not usually talked about in the reviews. Chill blast rated this cooler as a very quiet cooler with the cooling ability of about a fop38. Their review is here.
chillblast
You can never know if a person on a BBS has any connections to Companies that you are unaware of. That would include Gizzo or myself. Your best bet is to read all the information you can and make your own decision based on all the available evidence. Sometimes filtering out the real information can be difficult. I agree with gizzo on quite a few points he makes although he probably could use a little more tact in his disagreements with people.
KF was initially backing up his stance and at the end ended up calling him a troll. I do applaud you Gizzo for not turning it into a name calling contest. That is very juvenille and has no place on a BBS that is intended to inform and educate.